10 greatest directors of westerns

readache wrote:

>john ford
>howard hawks
>sergio leone
>sam peckinpah
>anthony mann
>budd boetticher
>william wyler (if only for Big Country)
>george stevens (if only for Shane)
>raoul walsh
>walter hill

There are some others like William Wellman, Delmer Daves, Fritz
Lang or John Sturges, who could be taken into account.


Manfred
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"Manfred Polak" <ma.po DeleteThis @gmx.com> wrote in message
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> readache wrote:
>
>>john ford
>>howard hawks
>>sergio leone
>>sam peckinpah
>>anthony mann
>>budd boetticher
>>william wyler (if only for Big Country)
>>george stevens (if only for Shane)
>>raoul walsh
>>walter hill
>
> There are some others like William Wellman, Delmer Daves, Fritz
> Lang or John Sturges, who could be taken into account.

Wellman (OX-BOW INCIDENT, YELLOW SKY), Daves (3:10 TO YUMA), Lang (WESTERN
UNION), Sturges (THE WALKING HILLS, BAD DAY AT BLACK ROCK, GUNFIGHT AT THE
O.K. CORRAL, THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN) --- yeah, I'll take them into account.
Over Wyler, for certain. (As Western directors, that is.) I don't get the
affection for BIG COUNTRY, despite the presence of Peck, Heston, and Bedoya.

Jim Beaver
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"Jim Beaver" <jumblejim DeleteThis @prodigy.spam> wrote:

>I don't get the affection for BIG COUNTRY, despite the presence of Peck, Heston, and Bedoya.

Me, neither, Jim. It's like BIG BORE.







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Eastwood? There's that guy, too...:) I wonder why that post didn't show up
on my list..I didn't block that poster or anything. Weirdness.
"Manfred Polak" <ma.po.RemoveThis@gmx.com> wrote in message
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> readache wrote:
>
>>john ford
>>howard hawks
>>sergio leone
>>sam peckinpah
>>anthony mann
>>budd boetticher
>>william wyler (if only for Big Country)
>>george stevens (if only for Shane)
>>raoul walsh
>>walter hill
>
> There are some others like William Wellman, Delmer Daves, Fritz
> Lang or John Sturges, who could be taken into account.
>
>
> Manfred
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On Oct 17, 7:26 pm, readache <cerebureaucr....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> in no particular order
>
> john ford
> howard hawks
> sergio leone
> sam peckinpah
> anthony mann
> budd boetticher
> william wyler (if only for Big Country)
> george stevens (if only for Shane)
> raoul walsh
> walter hill

I personally think Leone's Westerns are vastly over-rated, but also
realize that no one will agree with me on that score, so won't push
it. But what's Walter Hill done to merit inclusion on this list? _The
Long Riders_ (1980) perhaps?

Yrs,

Michael
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"smee" <cookmichaelcharles.DeleteThis@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 17, 7:26 pm, readache <cerebureaucr....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> in no particular order
>>
>> john ford
>> howard hawks
>> sergio leone
>> sam peckinpah
>> anthony mann
>> budd boetticher
>> william wyler (if only for Big Country)
>> george stevens (if only for Shane)
>> raoul walsh
>> walter hill
>
> I personally think Leone's Westerns are vastly over-rated, but also
> realize that no one will agree with me on that score, so won't push
> it. But what's Walter Hill done to merit inclusion on this list? _The
> Long Riders_ (1980) perhaps?

I liked GERONIMO: AN AMERICAN LEGEND (full disclosure: I'm in it.) I
thought WILD BILL was pretty good, and BROKEN TRAIL would have been really
terrific if AMC hadn't forced him to pad it to three hours or so. Of
course, it's cable TV, and so's his work on DEADWOOD (that full disclosure
thing again), but there was no anti-TV caveat in the subject line. I love
Walter and I think he's a wonderful director. Top 10, I don't know.
There's a lot of competition. Hell, what about George Archainbaud????

Jim Beaver
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On Oct 17, 11:58 pm, Harkness <caliba... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 17, 8:26 pm, readache <cerebureaucr... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > in no particular order
>
> > john ford
> > howard hawks
> > sergio leone
> > sam peckinpah
> > anthony mann
> > budd boetticher
> > william wyler (if only for Big Country)
> > george stevens (if only for Shane)
> > raoul walsh
> > walter hill
>
> You expecting arguments?
>
> I'd probably dump Stevens and Wyler on the grounds that each of them
> made about one Western.. Maybe throw in Allan Dwan and Delmer Daves.
>

Yikes. How did I forget Clint Eastwood? Unforgiven and Josey Wales
over Big Country and Shane, that's for damned sure.

John Harkness
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On Oct 17, 8:26 pm, readache <cerebureaucr....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> in no particular order
>
> john ford
> howard hawks
> sergio leone
> sam peckinpah
> anthony mann
> budd boetticher
> william wyler (if only for Big Country)
> george stevens (if only for Shane)
> raoul walsh
> walter hill

I agree with the first six of the ten. Echoing other posters, I'd
definitely take Wyler and Stevens off the list. Hell, I'd put B-
western kings William Witney and Lesley Selander over them as western
directors. I'd even take the great Raoul Walsh off the list since his
westerns pale next to his crime films and next to the work of the
others on the list. I'd definitely put John Sturges on the list, given
a lineup that includes GUNFIGHT AT THE O.K. CORRAL, THE MAGNIFICENT
SEVEN, BACKLASH, HOUR OF THE GUN and JOE KIDD. As much as I like
Walter Hill, again, like Walsh, his westerns are outclassed by his
crime films. Of his westerns, the only one I found really
distinguished was GERONIMO: AN AMERICAN LEGEND, although I'll grant
that THE LONG RIDERS has its strong points. I'd put Eastwood in over
Hill on the basis of THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES and UNFORGIVEN.

But I'm serious about Witney and Selander. (Heck, you might even put
Joseph Kane in there, too.) Witney's work with Roy Rogers and western
serials was superb (he made westerns from 1937 to TV's "The Cowboys"
in 1974) and Selander did so many entertaining bread-and-butter
westerns over the decades (approx. 130 from 1936 to 1968, including TV
series), that he deserves some props as well.
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On Oct 18, 8:54 am, le....TakeThisOut@my-deja.com wrote:
> On Oct 17, 8:26 pm, readache <cerebureaucr....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > in no particular order
>
> > john ford
> > howard hawks
> > sergio leone
> > sam peckinpah
> > anthony mann
> > budd boetticher
> > william wyler (if only for Big Country)
> > george stevens (if only for Shane)
> > raoul walsh
> > walter hill
>
> I agree with the first six of the ten. Echoing other posters, I'd
> definitely take Wyler and Stevens off the list. Hell, I'd put B-
> western kings William Witney and Lesley Selander over them as western
> directors. I'd even take the great Raoul Walsh off the list since his
> westerns pale next to his crime films and next to the work of the
> others on the list. I'd definitely put John Sturges on the list, given
> a lineup that includes GUNFIGHT AT THE O.K. CORRAL, THE MAGNIFICENT
> SEVEN, BACKLASH, HOUR OF THE GUN and JOE KIDD. As much as I like
> Walter Hill, again, like Walsh, his westerns are outclassed by his
> crime films. Of his westerns, the only one I found really
> distinguished was GERONIMO: AN AMERICAN LEGEND, although I'll grant
> that THE LONG RIDERS has its strong points. I'd put Eastwood in over
> Hill on the basis of THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES and UNFORGIVEN.
>
> But I'm serious about Witney and Selander. (Heck, you might even put
> Joseph Kane in there, too.) Witney's work with Roy Rogers and western
> serials was superb (he made westerns from 1937 to TV's "The Cowboys"
> in 1974) and Selander did so many entertaining bread-and-butter
> westerns over the decades (approx. 130 from 1936 to 1968, including TV
> series), that he deserves some props as well.


<< Whitney (Witney?) yeah, that's the B action guy I was trying to
recall.
Youse guys left out Corbucci; kee-rist a lefty cowboy director!
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I don't get the
> affection for BIG COUNTRY, despite the presence of Peck, Heston, and Bedoya.
>
> Jim Beaver

For me the Burl Ives/Charles Bickford feud, great music, grand vistas
and some interesting set-pieces make it watchable but agreed, the Peck/
Simmons romance and a few semi-humorous scenes are something of a
drag.

Dave in Toronto
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I don't get the
> affection for BIG COUNTRY, despite the presence of Peck, Heston, and Bedoya.
>
> Jim Beaver

For me the Burl Ives/Charles Bickford feud, great music, grand vistas
and some interesting set-pieces make it watchable but agreed the Peck/
Simmons romance and a few semi-humorous scenes are something of a
drag.

Dave in Toronto
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<leo86.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com> wrote:

> Heck, you might even put
> Joseph Kane in there, too

From a message about five years ago:

"BTW Joe Kane, the Republic director referred to now and then in this
thread [the original thread about Vera Hruba Ralston], is _the_ big
miss of the French auteurists. If you like Shane, check out Kane's "The
Savage Horde." No money, no scenery, no name actors, but Kane could
frame shots so pleasing and technically perfect they belong in a museum
exhibit of still photographs."
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Jim Beaver wrote:

>> There are some others like William Wellman, Delmer Daves, Fritz
>> Lang or John Sturges, who could be taken into account.
>
>Wellman (OX-BOW INCIDENT, YELLOW SKY),

I also like "Buffalo Bill" and "Westward the Women" (though I'm
not very keen on Robert Taylor). "Buffalo Bill" is one of that old-
fashioned "romantic" westerns, like DeMille's "The Plainsmen".

>Daves (3:10 TO YUMA),

And "Drum Beat", "Jubal", "The Last Wagon", "The Badlanders",
"Cowboy", "The Hanging Tree". A fine list.

>Lang (WESTERN UNION),

And "The Return of Frank James", "Rancho Notorious".

>Sturges (THE WALKING HILLS, BAD DAY AT BLACK ROCK, GUNFIGHT AT THE
>O.K. CORRAL, THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN) --- yeah, I'll take them into account.
>Over Wyler, for certain. (As Western directors, that is.) I don't get the
>affection for BIG COUNTRY, despite the presence of Peck, Heston, and Bedoya.

I prefer "The Westerner", but one good western is not enough to be in
that list.


Manfred
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