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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:32 pm
Post subject: Charlie at the 1927 World Series
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I just got finished reading "Luckiest Man," the new biography of Lou
Gehrig.
Believe it or not, Chaplin makes a cameo appearance.
The author claims that Chaplin (and Harold Lloyd) attended one of the
games of the 1927 World Series in New York. I had never heard this
before.
Can anyone confirm this? Was Chaplin in New York in the fall of 1927?
The author makes a few errors of fact (saying, for example, that Babe
Ruth was on the cover of TIME before Gehrig when Ruth was *never* on
the cover of TIME during his lifetime) and I think this might be one of
them.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:59 pm
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Feuillade wrote:
> I just got finished reading "Luckiest Man," the new biography of Lou
> Gehrig.
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> Believe it or not, Chaplin makes a cameo appearance.
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> The author claims that Chaplin (and Harold Lloyd) attended one of the
> games of the 1927 World Series in New York. I had never heard this
> before.
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> Can anyone confirm this? Was Chaplin in New York in the fall of 1927?
> The author makes a few errors of fact (saying, for example, that Babe
> Ruth was on the cover of TIME before Gehrig when Ruth was *never* on
> the cover of TIME during his lifetime) and I think this might be one of
> them.
I think it's a very suspect claim. The Yankees swept the series against
the Pirates with the first 2 games in Pittsburg, and the last 2 in NY
on Oct. 6 & 7. Since, according to Robinson, Chaplin and Reeves
returned to the studio on Aug. 23 and a fairly busy shooting schedule,
including an attempt to reshoot the 'grocery store' exit from the high
wire (the real-life store having been replaced by a hotel) "one day
early in October" and that "(a)t the beginning of October, Chaplin and
Crocker were searching Glendale for a suitably deserted and melancholy
location for the final scenes of the film. The same reporter described
the scene in the small hours of 10 October, 1927" is outlined, it's
HIGHLY unlikely that CC would have been at the series.
There is indirect, circumstantial evidence of him having been at a game
(or more) that season, however. Grandpop went with CC to NY earlier
that year, trying to protect The Circus from Lita's lawyers and
exploring the possibility of finishing up shooting at Marion Davies
studio there. He came back with a baseball and stories of meeting some
of the players. I strongly doubt he would have had access without
Chaplin having been present too. In one of those horribly embarrassing
childhood experiences, which no one in the family admits to remembering
the details of, one of us three kids found, played with and
subsequently lost the old ball that used to be on the shelf in my dad's
study...the one with Lou somebody's name on it. Why there weren't three
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:59 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:21 pm
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Feuillade wrote:
> Thanks for the detailed reply, David. Sorry about the ball.
Since I'm at least as likely as (and probably more likely than) the
other suspects to be the guilty party I'm almost afraid to ask, any
idea what a Gehrig signed ball from 1927 might be worth these days? >> Stay informed about: Charlie at the 1927 World Series |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:23 am
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A Lou Gehrig signed baseball from the year 1933 sold for $45,700 in a
1998 auction (just checked on Google). So we can assume a 1927 ball
sold today would fetch a lot more.
As for Charlie being at the World Series in 1927, I don't buy it for an
instant. He wasn't a baseball fan. The only sporting events where I've
seen Charlie photos are at tennis matches and horse races. >> Stay informed about: Charlie at the 1927 World Series |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:49 am
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Candace wrote:
> A Lou Gehrig signed baseball from the year 1933 sold for $45,700 in a
> 1998 auction (just checked on Google). So we can assume a 1927 ball
> sold today would fetch a lot more.
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> As for Charlie being at the World Series in 1927, I don't buy it for an
> instant. He wasn't a baseball fan. The only sporting events where I've
> seen Charlie photos are at tennis matches and horse races.
Oh, but he WAS a baseball fan. Charlie was also quite a boxing fan, and
he did attend several baseball games in the early years. It was one of
the interests he and Grandpop shared. There are several stories of
Charlie, Henry, Eric, Albert, Grandpop and others going to the fights
or a baseball game together after a day's shooting. This was at the
time when the studio was a bit more collegial, before it became less
easy and comfortable for Charlie to appear in public, and before he
started hanging around with more famous people of a certain status
(disparagingly referred to as "the swells" by Grandpop).
There is no doubt in my mind that when he was in NY in 1927, away from
home and studio with relatively little to occupy his time, with
Grandpop along, that they would have attended a few games together to
see the famed "murderer's row" in action, especially with the testimony
of meeting some of the players and the evidence of the ball.
(La la la la la la la la la la la la. I didn't hear anything about
auction prices. La la la la la la la la.) >> Stay informed about: Charlie at the 1927 World Series |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:28 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:53 pm
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"Candace" (ulysses@mscomm.com) writes:
> David, thanks for the correction! I had no idea he was even a minor
> baseball fan. I stand corrected.
I have an image of him attending a bullfight, but the evidence indicates he
wasn't pleased with the experience. ;-)
As for paricipant sports, besides tennis he fished, went duck hunting (once,
at least), rode horseback, swam, skied, and did what he called "slow running,"
which I suppose was similar to jogging. I've probably forgotten some of those.
Connie K.
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"To hell with the pillow in the background. It's a good scene, and that's
more important." Chaplin, Interview with Richard Meryman, 1966. >> Stay informed about: Charlie at the 1927 World Series |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:56 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:17 pm
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It's too bad that, unlike both Keaton *and* Lloyd, Chaplin didn't make
a picture in New York in 1928 with the Yankees.
The Tramp at Yankee Stadium. Can't you just picture him selling
peanuts in the stands? I'd rather be on a high wire *anyday*.
Tom Moran >> Stay informed about: Charlie at the 1927 World Series |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:13 pm
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Feuillade wrote:
> It's too bad that, unlike both Keaton *and* Lloyd, Chaplin didn't make
> a picture in New York in 1928 with the Yankees.
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> The Tramp at Yankee Stadium. Can't you just picture him selling
> peanuts in the stands?
Yes. And then he spots a girl in the crowd, falls in love, and
spends the rest of the film trying to please her/ save her/ take care
of her.
I think I'd have preferred to see him there a few years earlier:
doing tricks with the peanut bags, a little flirting, a lot of
fighting, stuff getting thrown around, a fat mean guy getting booted
over the rail.
--Shush--
(It's been too quiet here lately. George, come back and try to defend
the war or something!) >> Stay informed about: Charlie at the 1927 World Series |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:59 am
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Shush wrote:
>It's been too quiet here lately. George,
>come back and try to defend the war or
>something!)
I'll leave that to our heroic soldiers.
But I question whether the Tramp would
fit into a Yankee Stadium setting. He
is an anarchic character and baseball
is a game of rules, skill, and tradition.
The Tramp disrupting the game for
comic antics would irk the viewer
rather than produce laughter.
The best baseball films are ones
in which the character of the players
is featured over the game. (One
of the best of this type is Billy Crystal's
HBO movie *61, with its uncanny
impersonations of Mickey Mantle and
Roger Maris by Thomas Jane and
Barry Pepper). I don't think the Tramp
would fit well into this format.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:13 pm
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George Shelps wrote:
> Shush wrote:
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> >It's been too quiet here lately. George,
> >come back and try to defend the war or
> >something!)
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> I'll leave that to our heroic soldiers.
Come on George, you can do better than that. The heroism of
soldiers has nothing to do with the worthiness of the wars they fight.
> But I question whether the Tramp would
> fit into a Yankee Stadium setting. He
> is an anarchic character and baseball
> is a game of rules, skill, and tradition.
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> The Tramp disrupting the game for
> comic antics would irk the viewer
> rather than produce laughter.
Oh, I don't know. Chaplin actually took part in a charity baseball
game, wearing his tramp get-up, in 1916 or '17, along with Ben Turpin,
Charlie Murray and others. I doubt the crowd was annoyed!
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:32 pm
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Don't know if this will work, but I'm attaching a pic of CC in a baseball uni on
the mound.
On 22 Aug 2005 15:13:54 -0700, "Shush" <shushfilmseznospam RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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>George Shelps wrote:
>
>> Shush wrote:
>>
>> >It's been too quiet here lately. George,
>> >come back and try to defend the war or
>> >something!)
>>
>> I'll leave that to our heroic soldiers.
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> Come on George, you can do better than that. The heroism of
>soldiers has nothing to do with the worthiness of the wars they fight.
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>
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>> But I question whether the Tramp would
>> fit into a Yankee Stadium setting. He
>> is an anarchic character and baseball
>> is a game of rules, skill, and tradition.
>>
>> The Tramp disrupting the game for
>> comic antics would irk the viewer
>> rather than produce laughter.
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> Oh, I don't know. Chaplin actually took part in a charity baseball
>game, wearing his tramp get-up, in 1916 or '17, along with Ben Turpin,
>Charlie Murray and others. I doubt the crowd was annoyed!
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>--Shush-- >> Stay informed about: Charlie at the 1927 World Series |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:46 pm
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I have a pic of CC in a baseball uni just about to pitch a ball. I can't post
it here because the group doesn't accept binaries, but I'll email it to anyone
who wants it.
Phil
On 22 Aug 2005 15:13:54 -0700, "Shush" <shushfilmseznospam DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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>George Shelps wrote:
>
>> Shush wrote:
>>
>> >It's been too quiet here lately. George,
>> >come back and try to defend the war or
>> >something!)
>>
>> I'll leave that to our heroic soldiers.
>
> Come on George, you can do better than that. The heroism of
>soldiers has nothing to do with the worthiness of the wars they fight.
>
>
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>> But I question whether the Tramp would
>> fit into a Yankee Stadium setting. He
>> is an anarchic character and baseball
>> is a game of rules, skill, and tradition.
>>
>> The Tramp disrupting the game for
>> comic antics would irk the viewer
>> rather than produce laughter.
>
> Oh, I don't know. Chaplin actually took part in a charity baseball
>game, wearing his tramp get-up, in 1916 or '17, along with Ben Turpin,
>Charlie Murray and others. I doubt the crowd was annoyed!
>
>
>
>--Shush-- >> Stay informed about: Charlie at the 1927 World Series |
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