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Jaxon Bridge

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:15 pm
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Hello --

I am trying to determine a cost comparison between shooting 16 and 35
on a per-minute basis, since a per-foot basis would not be accurate
for a set shooting ratio since i assume there are fewer frams in a
35mm foot.

Can anyone shed some light? is there a standard quoted factor? i am
guessing overall 35mm is about 3-4 times as expensive. How many
frames are in a foot for 35mm?

jaxon

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Herb Montes

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:26 pm
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On 4 Jun 2004 18:15:10 -0700, jxbjxbjxb DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Jaxon Bridge)
wrote:

>Hello --
>
>I am trying to determine a cost comparison between shooting 16 and 35
>on a per-minute basis, since a per-foot basis would not be accurate
>for a set shooting ratio since i assume there are fewer frams in a
>35mm foot.
>
>Can anyone shed some light? is there a standard quoted factor? i am
>guessing overall 35mm is about 3-4 times as expensive. How many
>frames are in a foot for 35mm?
>
>jaxon


I have done this before but since I'm doing stop motion animation
shorts I only need 100 foot rolls instead of the big loads a feature
would need. But here is what I get factoring in the cost of raw
stock, processing, and a workprint. This is for Kodak color negative:

16mm (40 frames a foot) - $23 per minute

35mm (16 frames a foot) - $42 per minute

So 35mm is about twice the cost of 16mm for me. This does not include
shipping and making final prints.

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MitchGross

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:39 am
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I've posted the cost comparisons numerous times over at cinematography.com.
You can check the archives there.

Frames per foot isn't the question, it's the next step, which is feet per
minute. A minute of 16mm film is 36ft. while a minute of 35mm film is 90ft.

For basic shooting, 16mm will run you around $25/minute to buy the stock, get
it processed and a basic transfer to video for editing. To do the same in 35mm
is about $70/minute.

You can calculate out how much film you would need to shoot based on the number
of minutes of material you wish to roll with the appropriate coverage. A 100
minute feature with a modest 6:1 shooting ratio means 600 minutes (10 hours) of
film, which is 21,600' in 16mm or 54,000' in 35mm. Given the per minute
figures above, that would be $15,000 to expose in 16mm and $42,000 to expose in
35mm.

These numbers do not include camera rental and crew payment, and they also do
not include ANY post costs. You didn't indicate how you would wish to finish
the film, be it to a video format or to a 35mm print or what. When printing to
35mm the numbers start to come closer together since the 16mm will have to go
through an optical blowup stage, however I maintain that the costs will still
be below that of 35mm origination.

Mitch
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Jaxon Bridge

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:33 am
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Thank you Mitch. this is exactly the info i was looking for.

jaxon

mitchgross.DeleteThis@aol.com (MitchGross) wrote in message news:<20040604233917.13482.00000460.DeleteThis@mb-m18.aol.com>...
> I've posted the cost comparisons numerous times over at cinematography.com.
> You can check the archives there.
>
> Frames per foot isn't the question, it's the next step, which is feet per
> minute. A minute of 16mm film is 36ft. while a minute of 35mm film is 90ft.
>
> For basic shooting, 16mm will run you around $25/minute to buy the stock, get
> it processed and a basic transfer to video for editing. To do the same in 35mm
> is about $70/minute.
>
> You can calculate out how much film you would need to shoot based on the number
> of minutes of material you wish to roll with the appropriate coverage. A 100
> minute feature with a modest 6:1 shooting ratio means 600 minutes (10 hours) of
> film, which is 21,600' in 16mm or 54,000' in 35mm. Given the per minute
> figures above, that would be $15,000 to expose in 16mm and $42,000 to expose in
> 35mm.
>
> These numbers do not include camera rental and crew payment, and they also do
> not include ANY post costs. You didn't indicate how you would wish to finish
> the film, be it to a video format or to a 35mm print or what. When printing to
> 35mm the numbers start to come closer together since the 16mm will have to go
> through an optical blowup stage, however I maintain that the costs will still
> be below that of 35mm origination.
>
> Mitch
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