Looking for a 50" Plasma

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:40:04 GMT, PHATRS <nosp.TakeThisOut@m.thanks.mate> wrote:


>Dorfus Dippintush wrote:
>> Alan Rutlidge wrote:

>>
>> I can't help thinking that $7300 is a lot of money just to watch
>> television.

>Cheap compared to the price of _much smaller_ HD screens 5 years ago.

That's typical with new technology. Nobody older than about 12
should be surprised that prices came down.
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I have dealt with Harvey Norman on several occassions , and they have
matched the best cash price I could get anywhere , and given the interest
free deal as well....
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"Pitts" <someone RemoveThis @space.com.au> wrote in message
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>I have dealt with Harvey Norman on several occassions , and they have
>matched the best cash price I could get anywhere , and given the interest
>free deal as well....
>

Obviously not the same Hardly Normal in my town then, they wont match
anyone's pricing, not even the local Retravision.
While the local Retravision will even match web pricing, It all boils down
to the franchisee, some are genuine business people and some just want to
screw you for every cent they can get.
--
"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
Don Hirschberg
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Atheist Chaplain wrote:
> "Pitts" <someone.RemoveThis@space.com.au> wrote in message
> news:46ca238d$0$27804$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> I have dealt with Harvey Norman on several occassions , and they have
>> matched the best cash price I could get anywhere , and given the interest
>> free deal as well....
>>
>
> Obviously not the same Hardly Normal in my town then, they wont match
> anyone's pricing, not even the local Retravision.
You should complain (to Harvey Norman corporate or to the ACCC or
something. It clearly states on their website at
http://www.harveynorman.com.au/viewPage.tho?stPg=pricePromise
that they will price match. If they wont price match, thats false and
misleading advertising (as far as I am aware)
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:06:29 +0800, Jonathan Wilson <jfwfreo DeleteThis @tpgi.com.au> wrote:


>Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>> "Pitts" <someone DeleteThis @space.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:46ca238d$0$27804$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> I have dealt with Harvey Norman on several occassions , and they have
>>> matched the best cash price I could get anywhere , and given the interest
>>> free deal as well....
>>>
>>
>> Obviously not the same Hardly Normal in my town then, they wont match
>> anyone's pricing, not even the local Retravision.
>You should complain (to Harvey Norman corporate or to the ACCC or
>something. It clearly states on their website at
>http://www.harveynorman.com.au/viewPage.tho?stPg=pricePromise
>that they will price match. If they wont price match, thats false and
>misleading advertising (as far as I am aware)

The usual tactic is to have exclusive local sales rights on the models
they sell and not to offer price matching for anything but local sales.
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"Atheist Chaplain" <abuse DeleteThis @cia.gov> wrote in message
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> "Pitts" <someone DeleteThis @space.com.au> wrote in message
> news:46ca238d$0$27804$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>I have dealt with Harvey Norman on several occassions , and they have
>>matched the best cash price I could get anywhere , and given the interest
>>free deal as well....
>>
>
> Obviously not the same Hardly Normal in my town then, they wont match
> anyone's pricing, not even the local Retravision.
> While the local Retravision will even match web pricing, It all boils down
> to the franchisee, some are genuine business people and some just want to
> screw you for every cent they can get.

I refuse to shop any more at HN.

Not so long ago I bought a DVD recorder from them & was talked into buying
some expensive cable leads, which I was told I would need since it had a
digital tuner.
I found when I got home that the cheaper cable leads I had worked fine.

So I took the expensive cable leads back to HN, and even though they were
sealed in the unopened plastic pack, HN would not refund my money. Instead
they said I could replace it with other stuff, but in only one section of
the store. There was not much choice, but I ended up buying DVD RAM discs,
which I neeeded like a hole in the head at the time, but fortunately since
have found a use, tho 2 spare unused ones at the moment.
--
David Barnett
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"David Barnett" <dbarnett DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message >
> I refuse to shop any more at HN.
>
> Not so long ago I bought a DVD recorder from them & was talked into buying
> some expensive cable leads, which I was told I would need since it had a
> digital tuner.
> I found when I got home that the cheaper cable leads I had worked fine.
>
> So I took the expensive cable leads back to HN, and even though they were
> sealed in the unopened plastic pack, HN would not refund my money. Instead
> they said I could replace it with other stuff, but in only one section of
> the store. There was not much choice, but I ended up buying DVD RAM discs,
> which I neeeded like a hole in the head at the time, but fortunately since
> have found a use, tho 2 spare unused ones at the moment.
> --
> David Barnett
So you got cought up in there "monster cable" rip off. Its a well
known scam from hardly normal, they show you the supposed bad
performance using normal comnnections, then swing there so called
fancy cables into the component connections and proclaim what a
differance the cables make.

Two things, firstly there oblegated to rerurn your money if the
packet has not been operned and you still have your sales docket,
even if the packet has been opened it's still argueable, Just tell them
your not leaving without a refund,a nd there more then welcome to call
the police.

As for there high grade Monster cables, there not even considered,
when it comes to high-end products, Products like Tera Labs,
Black Mountain, Nordost, Cardas.
Also stuff like "MIT Oracle Series Top Reference Bi Wire 10' Speaker
cables " are just about at the top of the tree at 25 grand a pair.

Sometimes it's a lot better, to forget the large retail outlets, and
seek out a small dedicated hi-fi store, At least the people that own
or work there, know what there talking about, and won't be selling
fridges or washing machines, next week.
bassett
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bassett wrote:
> "David Barnett" <dbarnett.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message >
>> I refuse to shop any more at HN.
>>
>> Not so long ago I bought a DVD recorder from them & was talked into buying
>> some expensive cable leads, which I was told I would need since it had a
>> digital tuner.
>> I found when I got home that the cheaper cable leads I had worked fine.
>>
>> So I took the expensive cable leads back to HN, and even though they were
>> sealed in the unopened plastic pack, HN would not refund my money. Instead
>> they said I could replace it with other stuff, but in only one section of
>> the store. There was not much choice, but I ended up buying DVD RAM discs,
>> which I neeeded like a hole in the head at the time, but fortunately since
>> have found a use, tho 2 spare unused ones at the moment.
>> --
>> David Barnett
> So you got cought up in there "monster cable" rip off. Its a well
> known scam from hardly normal, they show you the supposed bad
> performance using normal comnnections, then swing there so called
> fancy cables into the component connections and proclaim what a
> differance the cables make.
>
> Two things, firstly there oblegated to rerurn your money if the
> packet has not been operned and you still have your sales docket,
> even if the packet has been opened it's still argueable, Just tell them
> your not leaving without a refund,a nd there more then welcome to call
> the police.
>

No, you have completely stuffed that up.

A customer is entitled to a refund, replacement or repair of goods under
certain circumstances. (eg they are faulty, do not match samples
given, are not of merchantable quality etc.)

The customer is not entitled to refund when the item is being returned
because he changed his mind, found the item cheaper elsewhere, or didn't
like the colour when he got it home. Many retailers will give a credit
under these circumstances, but are not obligated to do so.

In your first example, returning the goods unopened, then clearly it is
a change of mind return, so HN was acting within it's rights, so a
credit note was the best possible outcome.

If the package was opened, then unless the customer can demonstrate that
it was faulty or not of merchantable quality, then HN (or any retailer)
is under no obligation to consider any recompense.

BTW, inviting them to call the police will only result in problems for
you, not the retailer.

--
Cheers
Oldus Fartus
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Oldus Fartus wrote:
> bassett wrote:
>> "David Barnett" <dbarnett.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message >
>>> I refuse to shop any more at HN.
>>>
>>> Not so long ago I bought a DVD recorder from them & was talked into
>>> buying some expensive cable leads, which I was told I would need
>>> since it had a digital tuner.
>>> I found when I got home that the cheaper cable leads I had worked fine.
>>>
>>> So I took the expensive cable leads back to HN, and even though they
>>> were sealed in the unopened plastic pack, HN would not refund my
>>> money. Instead they said I could replace it with other stuff, but in
>>> only one section of the store. There was not much choice, but I ended
>>> up buying DVD RAM discs, which I neeeded like a hole in the head at
>>> the time, but fortunately since have found a use, tho 2 spare unused
>>> ones at the moment.
>>> --
>>> David Barnett
>> So you got cought up in there "monster cable" rip off. Its a
>> well known scam from hardly normal, they show you the
>> supposed bad performance using normal comnnections, then swing
>> there so called fancy cables into the component connections and
>> proclaim what a differance the cables make.
>>
>> Two things, firstly there oblegated to rerurn your money if the
>> packet has not been operned and you still have your sales
>> docket, even if the packet has been opened it's still argueable,
>> Just tell them your not leaving without a refund,a nd there more
>> then welcome to call the police.
>>
>
> No, you have completely stuffed that up.
>
> A customer is entitled to a refund, replacement or repair of goods under
> certain circumstances. (eg they are faulty, do not match samples
> given, are not of merchantable quality etc.)
>
> The customer is not entitled to refund when the item is being returned
> because he changed his mind, found the item cheaper elsewhere, or didn't
> like the colour when he got it home. Many retailers will give a credit
> under these circumstances, but are not obligated to do so.
>
> In your first example, returning the goods unopened, then clearly it is
> a change of mind return, so HN was acting within it's rights, so a
> credit note was the best possible outcome.
>
> If the package was opened, then unless the customer can demonstrate that
> it was faulty or not of merchantable quality, then HN (or any retailer)
> is under no obligation to consider any recompense.
>
> BTW, inviting them to call the police will only result in problems for
> you, not the retailer.
>
The goods may also be returned when not suitable for the purpose or
factually incorrect advice is given , also misguided information which
in this case would be the basis for the return .
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a t e c 7 7 wrote:
> Oldus Fartus wrote:
>> bassett wrote:
>>> "David Barnett" <dbarnett DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message >
>>>> I refuse to shop any more at HN.
>>>>
>>>> Not so long ago I bought a DVD recorder from them & was talked into
>>>> buying some expensive cable leads, which I was told I would need
>>>> since it had a digital tuner.
>>>> I found when I got home that the cheaper cable leads I had worked fine.
>>>>
>>>> So I took the expensive cable leads back to HN, and even though they
>>>> were sealed in the unopened plastic pack, HN would not refund my
>>>> money. Instead they said I could replace it with other stuff, but in
>>>> only one section of the store. There was not much choice, but I
>>>> ended up buying DVD RAM discs, which I neeeded like a hole in the
>>>> head at the time, but fortunately since have found a use, tho 2
>>>> spare unused ones at the moment.
>>>> --
>>>> David Barnett
>>> So you got cought up in there "monster cable" rip off. Its a
>>> well known scam from hardly normal, they show you the
>>> supposed bad performance using normal comnnections, then swing
>>> there so called fancy cables into the component connections and
>>> proclaim what a differance the cables make.
>>>
>>> Two things, firstly there oblegated to rerurn your money if the
>>> packet has not been operned and you still have your sales
>>> docket, even if the packet has been opened it's still argueable,
>>> Just tell them your not leaving without a refund,a nd there more
>>> then welcome to call the police.
>>>
>>
>> No, you have completely stuffed that up.
>>
>> A customer is entitled to a refund, replacement or repair of goods
>> under certain circumstances. (eg they are faulty, do not match
>> samples given, are not of merchantable quality etc.)
>>
>> The customer is not entitled to refund when the item is being returned
>> because he changed his mind, found the item cheaper elsewhere, or
>> didn't like the colour when he got it home. Many retailers will give
>> a credit under these circumstances, but are not obligated to do so.
>>
>> In your first example, returning the goods unopened, then clearly it
>> is a change of mind return, so HN was acting within it's rights, so a
>> credit note was the best possible outcome.
>>
>> If the package was opened, then unless the customer can demonstrate
>> that it was faulty or not of merchantable quality, then HN (or any
>> retailer) is under no obligation to consider any recompense.
>>
>> BTW, inviting them to call the police will only result in problems for
>> you, not the retailer.
>>
> The goods may also be returned when not suitable for the purpose or
> factually incorrect advice is given , also misguided information which
> in this case would be the basis for the return .

Of course. I was brief in my previous posting, but yes, under the
conditions you mention, a consumer is entitled to a refund. Do any of
those apply in David's case though?

They were certainly suitable for the purpose (as connecting leads)so
that can be safely discounted.

"Factually incorrect advice is given" or "misguided information", is a
bit harder. If David was told his DVD recorder would either not work
or would give unsatisfactory results using anything other than the
expensive cables, then he would probably have a good case to demand a
refund. My bet would be that the salesman did not actually say that,
although he did give David that impression!

--
Cheers
Oldus Fartus
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Oldus Fartus wrote:
> a t e c 7 7 wrote:
>
>>>

>> The goods may also be returned when not suitable for the purpose or
>> factually incorrect advice is given , also misguided information which
>> in this case would be the basis for the return .
>
> Of course. I was brief in my previous posting, but yes, under the
> conditions you mention, a consumer is entitled to a refund. Do any of
> those apply in David's case though?
>
> They were certainly suitable for the purpose (as connecting leads)so
> that can be safely discounted.
>
> "Factually incorrect advice is given" or "misguided information", is a
> bit harder. If David was told his DVD recorder would either not work
> or would give unsatisfactory results using anything other than the
> expensive cables, then he would probably have a good case to demand a
> refund. My bet would be that the salesman did not actually say that,
> although he did give David that impression!
>
I know the odds are the salesperson made some claims which can be
disproved or are totally subjective , either way it needs investigation
(std training in the stores)
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"Oldus Fartus" <denisand.TakeThisOut@iiNOSPAMnet.net.au> wrote in message
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>a t e c 7 7 wrote:
>> Oldus Fartus wrote:
>>> bassett wrote:
>>>> "David Barnett" <dbarnett.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message >
>>>>> I refuse to shop any more at HN.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so long ago I bought a DVD recorder from them & was talked into
>>>>> buying some expensive cable leads, which I was told I would need since
>>>>> it had a digital tuner.
>>>>> I found when I got home that the cheaper cable leads I had worked
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I took the expensive cable leads back to HN, and even though they
>>>>> were sealed in the unopened plastic pack, HN would not refund my
>>>>> money. Instead they said I could replace it with other stuff, but in
>>>>> only one section of the store. There was not much choice, but I ended
>>>>> up buying DVD RAM discs, which I neeeded like a hole in the head at
>>>>> the time, but fortunately since have found a use, tho 2 spare unused
>>>>> ones at the moment.
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Barnett
>>>> So you got cought up in there "monster cable" rip off. Its a
>>>> well known scam from hardly normal, they show you the supposed
>>>> bad performance using normal comnnections, then swing there so
>>>> called fancy cables into the component connections and proclaim
>>>> what a differance the cables make.
>>>>
>>>> Two things, firstly there oblegated to rerurn your money if the
>>>> packet has not been operned and you still have your sales docket,
>>>> even if the packet has been opened it's still argueable, Just tell
>>>> them your not leaving without a refund,a nd there more then welcome
>>>> to call the police.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, you have completely stuffed that up.
>>>
>>> A customer is entitled to a refund, replacement or repair of goods under
>>> certain circumstances. (eg they are faulty, do not match samples
>>> given, are not of merchantable quality etc.)
>>>
>>> The customer is not entitled to refund when the item is being returned
>>> because he changed his mind, found the item cheaper elsewhere, or didn't
>>> like the colour when he got it home. Many retailers will give a credit
>>> under these circumstances, but are not obligated to do so.
>>>
>>> In your first example, returning the goods unopened, then clearly it is
>>> a change of mind return, so HN was acting within it's rights, so a
>>> credit note was the best possible outcome.
>>>
>>> If the package was opened, then unless the customer can demonstrate that
>>> it was faulty or not of merchantable quality, then HN (or any retailer)
>>> is under no obligation to consider any recompense.
>>>
>>> BTW, inviting them to call the police will only result in problems for
>>> you, not the retailer.
>>>
>> The goods may also be returned when not suitable for the purpose or
>> factually incorrect advice is given , also misguided information which in
>> this case would be the basis for the return .
>
> Of course. I was brief in my previous posting, but yes, under the
> conditions you mention, a consumer is entitled to a refund. Do any of
> those apply in David's case though?
>
> They were certainly suitable for the purpose (as connecting leads)so that
> can be safely discounted.
>
> "Factually incorrect advice is given" or "misguided information", is a bit
> harder. If David was told his DVD recorder would either not work or
> would give unsatisfactory results using anything other than the expensive
> cables, then he would probably have a good case to demand a refund. My
> bet would be that the salesman did not actually say that, although he did
> give David that impression!
>
> --
> Cheers
> Oldus Fartus

Perhaps we should ask, just what did he pay for this "monster"
rubbish
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