744t rotary menu encoder function.

wrote in message

>I can confirm several of our demo users have made the same remark about
> the the rotary menu being counterwise. Question is, wouldn't there have
> been as much people commenting on it if it were the other way around.
>
>
> Joris
>

Well if several of your demo users commented I think that's a pretty high
number as I doubt you have huge numbers of demo users. What we really need
is a usability study where people are observed trying to operate the encoder
wheel without any instruction or suggestion. I still fumble in figuring out
which way to turn it and I've owned the thing for a while.
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Charles Tomaras wrote:
> Anyone else feel that the direction the menu display moves when scrolling
> with the rotary encoder is backwards or counter-intuitive? I think when the
> encoder is rotated clockwise, the menu numbers should ascend.

YES! This makes me nuts...
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Hmm. I think that clockwise rotation would drive the menu donw-ward. Just
my $.02.

D.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message

> Anyone else feel that the direction the menu display moves when scrolling
> with the rotary encoder is backwards or counter-intuitive? I think when
> the encoder is rotated clockwise, the menu numbers should ascend. Just
> talked with another friend who owns a 744t and he agrees saying he
> regularly turns his the wrong way. Seems it would be simple to change in
> software if enough of us feel the same way about it.
>
> Also wondering if in the "meter stealth mode" if it wouldn't be handy to
> have some sort of LCD indication for peaks and overs? I'd trade the
> date/time display portion of the LCD for peak/overs in stealth mode if
> it's a real estate issue. or I suppose if all the other lights went
> stealth but only the over indicators remained active it would be
> acceptable so one is not completly flying blind and is alerted to real
> level problems.
>
> Charlie - Seattle
>
>
>
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"Douglas Tourtelot" wrote in message

> Hmm. I think that clockwise rotation would drive the menu donw-ward.
> Just my $.02.
>
> D.

No Doug...what I'm saying is that for every click clockwise the menu item
number should ascend. Turn to the right to go from 25 to 26 etc.


>
> "Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
>
>> Anyone else feel that the direction the menu display moves when scrolling
>> with the rotary encoder is backwards or counter-intuitive? I think when
>> the encoder is rotated clockwise, the menu numbers should ascend. Just
>> talked with another friend who owns a 744t and he agrees saying he
>> regularly turns his the wrong way. Seems it would be simple to change in
>> software if enough of us feel the same way about it.
>>
>> Also wondering if in the "meter stealth mode" if it wouldn't be handy to
>> have some sort of LCD indication for peaks and overs? I'd trade the
>> date/time display portion of the LCD for peak/overs in stealth mode if
>> it's a real estate issue. or I suppose if all the other lights went
>> stealth but only the over indicators remained active it would be
>> acceptable so one is not completly flying blind and is alerted to real
>> level problems.
>>
>> Charlie - Seattle
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Charlie,
I'd be interested to hear other's comments. In developing the 744
that was one of my earliest complaints. Except I thought the other way
was counter-intuitive.

You can look at the menu one of two ways:

1) The menu "pointer" or highlight is moving over a fixed list of items.

2) The list is scrolling behind a fixed pointer/highlight.

The current setup assumes the first point of view. I have no idea what
it would take to reverse the scroll direction at this point. It's been
this way for more than a year now.

---Matt

Charles Tomaras wrote:

> Anyone else feel that the direction the menu display moves when scrolling
> with the rotary encoder is backwards or counter-intuitive? I think when the
> encoder is rotated clockwise, the menu numbers should ascend. Just talked
> with another friend who owns a 744t and he agrees saying he regularly turns
> his the wrong way. Seems it would be simple to change in software if enough
> of us feel the same way about it.
>
> Also wondering if in the "meter stealth mode" if it wouldn't be handy to
> have some sort of LCD indication for peaks and overs? I'd trade the
> date/time display portion of the LCD for peak/overs in stealth mode if it's
> a real estate issue. or I suppose if all the other lights went stealth but
> only the over indicators remained active it would be acceptable so one is
> not completly flying blind and is alerted to real level problems.
>
> Charlie - Seattle
>
>
>
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"Matt Mayer" wrote in message

> Charlie,
> I'd be interested to hear other's comments. In developing the 744 that
> was one of my earliest complaints. Except I thought the other way was
> counter-intuitive.
>
> You can look at the menu one of two ways:
>
> 1) The menu "pointer" or highlight is moving over a fixed list of items.
>
> 2) The list is scrolling behind a fixed pointer/highlight.
>
> The current setup assumes the first point of view. I have no idea what it
> would take to reverse the scroll direction at this point. It's been this
> way for more than a year now.
>

I think it should be as in option #1 but with the pointer/highlight actually
moving to the top or bottom line of the display as we are used to in the
computing world. The problem, as I see it, is partially in the fact that the
selected item stays centered which is counter to anything else I'm familiar
with in the computing world. Every time you go to the next item, the entire
display shifts which is difficult to adjust to. The window shouldn't scroll,
just the pointer should! I don't mind not seeing the next few options when
I've scrolled to the top or the bottom as I can always just scroll past to
see them then move the other direction.

I'd actually compromise on this with the addition of a menu option allowing
the user to pick from a few different encoder function options.

Charlie
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I only used it for a day. But I also always dialed to the wrong
direction...

frank.
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I agree with Charlie. It drives me nuts.

As for the options: If you want it to be option one, then it should
*look* like it. That is, there should be a pointer visibly moving.

Instead, it *looks* like option two but *acts* like option one. That
discrepancy can be counted on to cause confusion.



Matt Mayer wrote:
> Charlie,
> I'd be interested to hear other's comments. In developing the 744
> that was one of my earliest complaints. Except I thought the other way
> was counter-intuitive.
>
> You can look at the menu one of two ways:
>
> 1) The menu "pointer" or highlight is moving over a fixed list of items.
>
> 2) The list is scrolling behind a fixed pointer/highlight.
>
> The current setup assumes the first point of view. I have no idea what
> it would take to reverse the scroll direction at this point. It's been
> this way for more than a year now.
>
> ---Matt
>
> Charles Tomaras wrote:
>
>> Anyone else feel that the direction the menu display moves when
>> scrolling with the rotary encoder is backwards or counter-intuitive? I
>> think when the encoder is rotated clockwise, the menu numbers should
>> ascend. Just talked with another friend who owns a 744t and he agrees
>> saying he regularly turns his the wrong way. Seems it would be simple
>> to change in software if enough of us feel the same way about it.
>>
>> Also wondering if in the "meter stealth mode" if it wouldn't be handy
>> to have some sort of LCD indication for peaks and overs? I'd trade the
>> date/time display portion of the LCD for peak/overs in stealth mode if
>> it's a real estate issue. or I suppose if all the other lights went
>> stealth but only the over indicators remained active it would be
>> acceptable so one is not completly flying blind and is alerted to real
>> level problems.
>>
>> Charlie - Seattle
>>
>>
>>
>
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I agree with you. It is a good idea for SD implement in
next firmware.

Gabriel
São Paulo, Brazil

Charles Tomaras wrote:
> Anyone else feel that the direction the menu display moves when
scrolling
> with the rotary encoder is backwards or counter-intuitive? I think
when the
> encoder is rotated clockwise, the menu numbers should ascend. Just
talked
> with another friend who owns a 744t and he agrees saying he regularly
turns
> his the wrong way. Seems it would be simple to change in software if
enough
> of us feel the same way about it.
>
> Also wondering if in the "meter stealth mode" if it wouldn't be handy
to
> have some sort of LCD indication for peaks and overs? I'd trade the
> date/time display portion of the LCD for peak/overs in stealth mode
if it's
> a real estate issue. or I suppose if all the other lights went
stealth but
> only the over indicators remained active it would be acceptable so
one is
> not completly flying blind and is alerted to real level problems.
>
> Charlie - Seattle
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Hi there

I'm another victim always dialing the wrong direction. At the begining I
thought that I would get used to it, but 2 months later I still have to
redial to get the correct choice on the menu.
Let's hope if we can have SD change this behaviour in a future firmware
revision

Eric
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Why couldn't the direction of the scroll be a menu option depending on the
user to decide if they like the menu to move up or down?

Jay
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Reading this thread is interesting because we went through the same
exact discussion (battle?) at Lectro. The Venue and R400 receivers
have the same type scrolling menu. After all the dust had settled, we
decided there were definitely two different kinds of people in the
world and lots of them.
Best Regards,
Larry Fisher
Lectrosonics

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:08:55 -0500, "Jay Hartigan"
wrote:

>Why couldn't the direction of the scroll be a menu option depending on the
>user to decide if they like the menu to move up or down?
>
>Jay
>
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"Larry Fisher" wrote in message

> Reading this thread is interesting because we went through the same
> exact discussion (battle?) at Lectro. The Venue and R400 receivers
> have the same type scrolling menu. After all the dust had settled, we
> decided there were definitely two different kinds of people in the
> world and lots of them.
> Best Regards,
> Larry Fisher
> Lectrosonics



Larry, are you referring to the right people and the wrong people?
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