ADR for everything

marque,

that is quite annoying. all i could say though, is that when doing
ADR, having production sound available (vs mos) makes it night and day
easier to loop the scene.

perhaps with their set-ups, any camera mic wouldn't even pick up the
dialog?

-greg-
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On May 2, 8:23 pm, Marque <filmsoundmi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> I recently finished an Egyptian TV series. While it was run worse
> than a student film, but with a serious budget and a world reknowned
> lead actor...
>
> One thing that drove me crazy was that they plan on doing ADR to all
> the sound recoreded. Apparently this is the standard procedure for
> them. I kind of found it insulting. Granted there were two locations
> (JFK outside for instance) where it made alot of sense to do ADR but I
> feel that almost everything else was good enough to stand on its own
> and yet they said it didn't matter. My question was then "why did you
> need a sound mixer...why not use the on camera mic?". Has anyone
> every encountered this before?
>
> Thanx,
> Marque



Yes. Galling, but just be proud of how much easier their ADR will be
with a good guide track.

Philip Perkins
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Are they going to ADR or Dub for international tracks? There are some
countries that require by law that Films must on the native
language...

~
Serge

On May 2, 10:35 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... RemoveThis @tomaras.com> wrote:
> "Marque" <filmsoundmi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178162604.637335.254570@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I recently finished an Egyptian TV series. While it was run worse
> > than a student film, but with a serious budget and a world reknowned
> > lead actor...
>
> > One thing that drove me crazy was that they plan on doing ADR to all
> > the sound recoreded. Apparently this is the standard procedure for
> > them. I kind of found it insulting. Granted there were two locations
> > (JFK outside for instance) where it made alot of sense to do ADR but I
> > feel that almost everything else was good enough to stand on its own
> > and yet they said it didn't matter. My question was then "why did you
> > need a sound mixer...why not use the on camera mic?". Has anyone
> > every encountered this before?
>
> > Thanx,
> > Marque
>
> Vin...you wanna take this one! :)
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On May 2, 8:23 pm, Marque <filmsoundmi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I recently finished an Egyptian TV series. While it was run worse
> than a student film, but with a serious budget and a world reknowned
> lead actor...
>
> One thing that drove me crazy was that they plan on doing ADR to all
> the sound recoreded. Apparently this is the standard procedure for
> them. I kind of found it insulting. Granted there were two locations
> (JFK outside for instance) where it made alot of sense to do ADR but I
> feel that almost everything else was good enough to stand on its own
> and yet they said it didn't matter. My question was then "why did you
> need a sound mixer...why not use the on camera mic?". Has anyone
> every encountered this before?
>
> Thanx,
> Marque


Sounds like a GREAT gig, all be it quite dull. Give them the best
track you can when they let you, be proud of your work, don't worry
about the things you can't control, and cash the checks. An on camera
mic will not employ you or your crew.
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One weekend I did a digital short where the director told me that he
arranged for free unlimited ADR time after the shoot. The producer
and I knew how important production tracks were, but the director
wouldn't even take the 10 sec for me to line up a shot and get the
boom in place.

Couple this with inexperienced actors that were incapable of giving
the same line reading twice and you can see the trouble coming down
the line, even with 'unlimited ADR time'.

I spent those three days working for the producer and getting as much
material as I could for his sake, even if the director was a douche.

In the end, I can only hope that the material I record is as good as
it can be and that decisions made in post are for the good of the
project.
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On May 3, 8:23 am, Marque <filmsoundmi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I recently finished an Egyptian TV series. While it was run worse
> than a student film, but with a serious budget and a world reknowned
> lead actor...
>
> One thing that drove me crazy was that they plan on doing ADR to all
> the sound recoreded. Apparently this is the standard procedure for
> them. I kind of found it insulting. Granted there were two locations
> (JFK outside for instance) where it made alot of sense to do ADR but I
> feel that almost everything else was good enough to stand on its own
> and yet they said it didn't matter. My question was then "why did you
> need a sound mixer...why not use the on camera mic?". Has anyone
> every encountered this before?
>
> Thanx,
> Marque

Hi Marque
i recently had a similar experience working on a costume drama where
the Director and Producer(both old friends) insisted on having a
complete ADR of the 13 part series,a 3 weeks shoot got them 50 percent
usable track in absolutely lousy locations(purposely chosen for
visuals only) but they are not using it, perhaps as Phil said it will
sound good in the ADR sessions
i have since walked out insisting that it is demeaning to have me to
work when they are ADR ing the entire thing
IMHO if there are no future rewards ,monetary any other benefits one
shouldnt take up such work,i did it bcos i was their friend so i can
jolly well walk out when need be citing personal reasons
but in a lot of countries ADR is the norm for TV series, more so if it
is futuristic,costume,special fx or period stuff,so they can
apparently just grab a decent location sound for ADR which in most
cases they wouldnt get stuff without spending on a sound mixer,so
apparently sound doesnt figure in the Production part,thats the way it
is designed,they can get the entire series ADRed using VO artists and
Foley can be done in the studio by artists
but sadly money and time talks more than art and craft
so thats the fact,we have to accept that
hope other chime in with their opinion too, would love to hear that
regrds
Hari
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Hari-

Did their checks clear the bank? I'll take it!

D.

"Harry" <cineaudio.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 3, 8:23 am, Marque <filmsoundmi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I recently finished an Egyptian TV series. While it was run worse
>> than a student film, but with a serious budget and a world reknowned
>> lead actor...
>>
>> One thing that drove me crazy was that they plan on doing ADR to all
>> the sound recoreded. Apparently this is the standard procedure for
>> them. I kind of found it insulting. Granted there were two locations
>> (JFK outside for instance) where it made alot of sense to do ADR but I
>> feel that almost everything else was good enough to stand on its own
>> and yet they said it didn't matter. My question was then "why did you
>> need a sound mixer...why not use the on camera mic?". Has anyone
>> every encountered this before?
>>
>> Thanx,
>> Marque
>
> Hi Marque
> i recently had a similar experience working on a costume drama where
> the Director and Producer(both old friends) insisted on having a
> complete ADR of the 13 part series,a 3 weeks shoot got them 50 percent
> usable track in absolutely lousy locations(purposely chosen for
> visuals only) but they are not using it, perhaps as Phil said it will
> sound good in the ADR sessions
> i have since walked out insisting that it is demeaning to have me to
> work when they are ADR ing the entire thing
> IMHO if there are no future rewards ,monetary any other benefits one
> shouldnt take up such work,i did it bcos i was their friend so i can
> jolly well walk out when need be citing personal reasons
> but in a lot of countries ADR is the norm for TV series, more so if it
> is futuristic,costume,special fx or period stuff,so they can
> apparently just grab a decent location sound for ADR which in most
> cases they wouldnt get stuff without spending on a sound mixer,so
> apparently sound doesnt figure in the Production part,thats the way it
> is designed,they can get the entire series ADRed using VO artists and
> Foley can be done in the studio by artists
> but sadly money and time talks more than art and craft
> so thats the fact,we have to accept that
> hope other chime in with their opinion too, would love to hear that
> regrds
> Hari
>
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On May 3, 6:43 pm, "Douglas Tourtelot" <tourte... RemoveThis @speakeasy.net>
wrote:
> Hari-
>
> Did their checks clear the bank? I'll take it!
>
> D.
>
> "Harry" <cineau... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178170074.316452.182270@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 3, 8:23 am, Marque <filmsoundmi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I recently finished an Egyptian TV series. While it was run worse
> >> than a student film, but with a serious budget and a world reknowned
> >> lead actor...
>
> >> One thing that drove me crazy was that they plan on doing ADR to all
> >> the sound recoreded. Apparently this is the standard procedure for
> >> them. I kind of found it insulting. Granted there were two locations
> >> (JFK outside for instance) where it made alot of sense to do ADR but I
> >> feel that almost everything else was good enough to stand on its own
> >> and yet they said it didn't matter. My question was then "why did you
> >> need a sound mixer...why not use the on camera mic?". Has anyone
> >> every encountered this before?
>
> >> Thanx,
> >> Marque
>
> > Hi Marque
> > i recently had a similar experience working on a costume drama where
> > the Director and Producer(both old friends) insisted on having a
> > complete ADR of the 13 part series,a 3 weeks shoot got them 50 percent
> > usable track in absolutely lousy locations(purposely chosen for
> > visuals only) but they are not using it, perhaps as Phil said it will
> > sound good in the ADR sessions
> > i have since walked out insisting that it is demeaning to have me to
> > work when they are ADR ing the entire thing
> > IMHO if there are no future rewards ,monetary any other benefits one
> > shouldnt take up such work,i did it bcos i was their friend so i can
> > jolly well walk out when need be citing personal reasons
> > but in a lot of countries ADR is the norm for TV series, more so if it
> > is futuristic,costume,special fx or period stuff,so they can
> > apparently just grab a decent location sound for ADR which in most
> > cases they wouldnt get stuff without spending on a sound mixer,so
> > apparently sound doesnt figure in the Production part,thats the way it
> > is designed,they can get the entire series ADRed using VO artists and
> > Foley can be done in the studio by artists
> > but sadly money and time talks more than art and craft
> > so thats the fact,we have to accept that
> > hope other chime in with their opinion too, would love to hear that
> > regrds
> > Hari- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Doug
not yet,keeping fingers crossed, hope they dont see or listen to this
shhh,walls have ears not just sound men
cheers
Hari
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On May 2, 11:44 pm, Sergio Sanmiguel <sanmiguel....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are they going to ADR or Dub for international tracks? There are some
> countries that require by law that Films must on the native
> language...

The recorded dialouge is all in Arabic and its only airing on the
arabic speaking channels...

~Marque
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Actually the biggest benefit was they paid in cash. It was nice to
have the hundreds counted out in my hand at the end of the week. I'm
not worried about anyone reading the credits...how do you spell my
name in arabic anyway??? I was just shocked by the entire thing.
Towards the end I started to really not give a s**t about what I was
recording... At least I didn't get arrested with the two producers,
DP & 1st AC...they went to get B roll without a permit on private
property.

Thanx Everyone,
Marque
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why do you worry - noone in Egypt read the credits :-)

--
Oleg Kaizerman(gebe) Hollyland
"Marque" <filmsoundmixer RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178162604.637335.254570@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>I recently finished an Egyptian TV series. While it was run worse
> than a student film, but with a serious budget and a world reknowned
> lead actor...
>
> One thing that drove me crazy was that they plan on doing ADR to all
> the sound recoreded. Apparently this is the standard procedure for
> them. I kind of found it insulting. Granted there were two locations
> (JFK outside for instance) where it made alot of sense to do ADR but I
> feel that almost everything else was good enough to stand on its own
> and yet they said it didn't matter. My question was then "why did you
> need a sound mixer...why not use the on camera mic?". Has anyone
> every encountered this before?
>
> Thanx,
> Marque
>
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On May 4, 7:14 am, Marque <filmsoundmi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually the biggest benefit was they paid in cash. It was nice to
> have the hundreds counted out in my hand at the end of the week. I'm
> not worried about anyone reading the credits...how do you spell my
> name in arabic anyway??? I was just shocked by the entire thing.
> Towards the end I started to really not give a s**t about what I was
> recording... At least I didn't get arrested with the two producers,
> DP & 1st AC...they went to get B roll without a permit on private
> property.
>
> Thanx Everyone,
> Marque

Mraque
well life does throw surprises DAR is one of them
once you live with it, then itceases to be one
by them life will have other surprises line up for us
cheers
Hari
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On May 4, 1:33 pm, Harry <cineau....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 7:14 am, Marque <filmsoundmi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually the biggest benefit was they paid in cash. It was nice to
> > have the hundreds counted out in my hand at the end of the week. I'm
> > not worried about anyone reading the credits...how do you spell my
> > name in arabic anyway??? I was just shocked by the entire thing.
> > Towards the end I started to really not give a s**t about what I was
> > recording... At least I didn't get arrested with the two producers,
> > DP & 1st AC...they went to get B roll without a permit on private
> > property.
>
> > Thanx Everyone,
> > Marque
>
> Marque
> well life does throw surprises, ADR is one of them
> once you live with it, then it ceases to be onenas we sometimes do
> by then life will have other surprises lined up for us
> cheers
> Hari
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