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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:25 am
Post subject: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection
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Roberta Semple Salter, 96; daughter of L.A. evangelist
By Elaine Woo, Times Staff Writer
February 4, 2007
Roberta Semple Salter, the daughter and one-time heir to the pulpit of
the flamboyant Los Angeles evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson, died of
natural causes Jan. 25 in New York City. She was 96.
Salter was one of two children of the charismatic and controversial
revivalist and faith healer who founded the International Church of
the Foursquare Gospel and built Angelus Temple, the white-domed
landmark in Echo Park.
The temple, with its 5,000-seat auditorium, was the site of boisterous
revival meetings led by McPherson in the 1920s and '30s. Salter grew
up watching her mother preach before mesmerized crowds on elaborate
stage sets, some of which in later years were designed by Charlie
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:35 am
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Richard Carnahan wrote:
> Roberta Semple Salter, 96; daughter of L.A. evangelist
> By Elaine Woo, Times Staff Writer
> February 4, 2007
>
>
> Roberta Semple Salter, the daughter and one-time heir to the pulpit of
> the flamboyant Los Angeles evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson, died of
> natural causes Jan. 25 in New York City. She was 96.
>
> Salter was one of two children of the charismatic and controversial
> revivalist and faith healer who founded the International Church of
> the Foursquare Gospel and built Angelus Temple, the white-domed
> landmark in Echo Park.
>
> The temple, with its 5,000-seat auditorium, was the site of boisterous
> revival meetings led by McPherson in the 1920s and '30s. Salter grew
> up watching her mother preach before mesmerized crowds on elaborate
> stage sets, some of which in later years were designed by Charlie
> Chaplin.
"Elaborate stage sets" and "Charlie Chaplin" mentioned in the same
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:36 pm
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On 4 Feb 2007 09:35:54 -0800, "David Totheroh" <dtotheroh.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
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>Richard Carnahan wrote:
>> Roberta Semple Salter, 96; daughter of L.A. evangelist
>> By Elaine Woo, Times Staff Writer
>> February 4, 2007
>>
>>
>> Roberta Semple Salter, the daughter and one-time heir to the pulpit of
>> the flamboyant Los Angeles evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson, died of
>> natural causes Jan. 25 in New York City. She was 96.
>>
>> Salter was one of two children of the charismatic and controversial
>> revivalist and faith healer who founded the International Church of
>> the Foursquare Gospel and built Angelus Temple, the white-domed
>> landmark in Echo Park.
>>
>> The temple, with its 5,000-seat auditorium, was the site of boisterous
>> revival meetings led by McPherson in the 1920s and '30s. Salter grew
>> up watching her mother preach before mesmerized crowds on elaborate
>> stage sets, some of which in later years were designed by Charlie
>> Chaplin.
>
>"Elaborate stage sets" and "Charlie Chaplin" mentioned in the same
>sentence, and with design responsibility attached! Who'da thunk?
Interesting. I saw an episode of "Mysteries and Scandals" on McPherson
recently, which said that Fairbanks and Chaplin were regular attendees at her
meetings. I'd never heard this before and checked my CC library, but found no
references to her. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:30 pm
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Phil P. wrote:
> On 4 Feb 2007 09:35:54 -0800, "David Totheroh" <dtotheroh.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
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> >
> >Richard Carnahan wrote:
> >> Roberta Semple Salter, 96; daughter of L.A. evangelist
> >> By Elaine Woo, Times Staff Writer
> >> February 4, 2007
> >>
> >>
> >> Roberta Semple Salter, the daughter and one-time heir to the pulpit of
> >> the flamboyant Los Angeles evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson, died of
> >> natural causes Jan. 25 in New York City. She was 96.
> >>
> >> Salter was one of two children of the charismatic and controversial
> >> revivalist and faith healer who founded the International Church of
> >> the Foursquare Gospel and built Angelus Temple, the white-domed
> >> landmark in Echo Park.
> >>
> >> The temple, with its 5,000-seat auditorium, was the site of boisterous
> >> revival meetings led by McPherson in the 1920s and '30s. Salter grew
> >> up watching her mother preach before mesmerized crowds on elaborate
> >> stage sets, some of which in later years were designed by Charlie
> >> Chaplin.
> >
> >"Elaborate stage sets" and "Charlie Chaplin" mentioned in the same
> >sentence, and with design responsibility attached! Who'da thunk?
>
> Interesting. I saw an episode of "Mysteries and Scandals" on McPherson
> recently, which said that Fairbanks and Chaplin were regular attendees at her
> meetings. I'd never heard this before and checked my CC library, but found no
> references to her.
The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
that Charlie told Rollie about. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:57 pm
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David Totheroh wrote:
> The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
> that Charlie told Rollie about.
I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
By any chance, does Rollie's story include the phrase "I thumbed
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:06 pm
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Christopher Snowden wrote:
> David Totheroh wrote:
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> > The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
> > that Charlie told Rollie about.
>
>
> I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
> Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
>
> By any chance, does Rollie's story include the phrase "I thumbed
> it in?"
Not in those words. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:00 pm
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On 4 Feb 2007 17:06:08 -0800, "David Totheroh" <dtotheroh.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
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>Christopher Snowden wrote:
>> David Totheroh wrote:
>>
>> > The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
>> > that Charlie told Rollie about.
>>
>>
>> I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
>> Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
>>
>> By any chance, does Rollie's story include the phrase "I thumbed
>> it in?"
>
>Not in those words.
Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing somewhere that they met in Europe.
Maybe in one of the Robinsons (Carlyle or David). >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:15 pm
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On Feb 4, 3:57�pm, "Christopher Snowden" <unkv... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> David Totheroh wrote:
> > The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
> > that Charlie told Rollie about.
>
> I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
> Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
>
I looked up the Leaming story. That's...an interesting story.
But you have to wonder whether it's something Chaplin told to Welles,
or just something Welles told to Leaming.
Welles was known for tailoring his stories for his listeners, and
Chaplin was already dead. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:22 am
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Richard Carnahan wrote:
> I looked up the Leaming story. That's...an interesting story.
> But you have to wonder whether it's something Chaplin told to Welles,
> or just something Welles told to Leaming.
> Welles was known for tailoring his stories for his listeners, and
> Chaplin was already dead.
Exactly. But if Rollie's story and Welles' story match, then it's
pretty likely true.
I've read a bio of Sister Aimee, LEAST OF ALL SAINTS, by Robert
Bahr, and I don't think Chaplin was mentioned in it at all. The Welles
story sure isn't! >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:22 am
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Phil P. (phil@nospam.com) writes:
> On 4 Feb 2007 17:06:08 -0800, "David Totheroh" <dtotheroh.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Christopher Snowden wrote:
>>> David Totheroh wrote:
>>>
>>> > The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
>>> > that Charlie told Rollie about.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
>>> Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
>>>
>>> By any chance, does Rollie's story include the phrase "I thumbed
>>> it in?"
>>
>>Not in those words.
>
> Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing somewhere that they met in Europe.
> Maybe in one of the Robinsons (Carlyle or David).
It might be in "A Comedian Sees the World"--obviously not the version in the
Welles biography. I've seen a version somewhere in which he had a debate
about religion with her. I also recall something about him saying she was
an actress, and I did somewhere get the idea that they had done more than
debate religion, but I can't place any of it offhand. I've never read the
Welles bio.
Connie K. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:22 am
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On 8 Feb 2007 05:22:39 GMT, do481.DeleteThis@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Constance Kuriyama)
wrote:
>Phil P. (phil@nospam.com) writes:
>> On 4 Feb 2007 17:06:08 -0800, "David Totheroh" <dtotheroh.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Christopher Snowden wrote:
>>>> David Totheroh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
>>>> > that Charlie told Rollie about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
>>>> Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
>>>>
>>>> By any chance, does Rollie's story include the phrase "I thumbed
>>>> it in?"
>>>
>>>Not in those words.
>>
>> Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing somewhere that they met in Europe.
>> Maybe in one of the Robinsons (Carlyle or David).
>
>It might be in "A Comedian Sees the World"--obviously not the version in the
>Welles biography. I've seen a version somewhere in which he had a debate
>about religion with her. I also recall something about him saying she was
>an actress, and I did somewhere get the idea that they had done more than
>debate religion, but I can't place any of it offhand. I've never read the
>Welles bio.
>
>Connie K.
I found a reference to the meeting in Marseilles in Huff (p.247) during which
Chaplin "twitted Aimee about her success as an evangelist , attributing it to
her magnetic personality and her showmanship. She was an actress, he said,
performing to people who frowned upon theatre. " They apparently toured around
Marseiiles a bit before she went on to the holy land and he went on to Paris to
meet May Reeves. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:22 am
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:42:55 -0800, Phil P. <phil.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 8 Feb 2007 05:22:39 GMT, do481.RemoveThis@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Constance Kuriyama)
>wrote:
>
>>Phil P. (phil@nospam.com) writes:
>>> On 4 Feb 2007 17:06:08 -0800, "David Totheroh" <dtotheroh.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Christopher Snowden wrote:
>>>>> David Totheroh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
>>>>> > that Charlie told Rollie about.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
>>>>> Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
>>>>>
>>>>> By any chance, does Rollie's story include the phrase "I thumbed
>>>>> it in?"
>>>>
>>>>Not in those words.
>>>
>>> Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing somewhere that they met in Europe.
>>> Maybe in one of the Robinsons (Carlyle or David).
>>
>>It might be in "A Comedian Sees the World"--obviously not the version in the
>>Welles biography. I've seen a version somewhere in which he had a debate
>>about religion with her. I also recall something about him saying she was
>>an actress, and I did somewhere get the idea that they had done more than
>>debate religion, but I can't place any of it offhand. I've never read the
>>Welles bio.
>>
>>Connie K.
>
>I found a reference to the meeting in Marseilles in Huff (p.247) during which
>Chaplin "twitted Aimee about her success as an evangelist , attributing it to
>her magnetic personality and her showmanship. She was an actress, he said,
>performing to people who frowned upon theatre. " They apparently toured around
>Marseiiles a bit before she went on to the holy land and he went on to Paris to
>meet May Reeves.
I just had a look at von Ulm and there's three pages on their meeting there.
Looks like this is where Huff got his info. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:32 pm
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Phil P. (phil@nospam.com) writes:
> On 8 Feb 2007 05:22:39 GMT, do481 RemoveThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Constance Kuriyama)
> wrote:
>
>>Phil P. (phil@nospam.com) writes:
>>> On 4 Feb 2007 17:06:08 -0800, "David Totheroh" <dtotheroh RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Christopher Snowden wrote:
>>>>> David Totheroh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
>>>>> > that Charlie told Rollie about.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
>>>>> Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
>>>>>
>>>>> By any chance, does Rollie's story include the phrase "I thumbed
>>>>> it in?"
>>>>
>>>>Not in those words.
>>>
>>> Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing somewhere that they met in Europe.
>>> Maybe in one of the Robinsons (Carlyle or David).
>>
>>It might be in "A Comedian Sees the World"--obviously not the version in the
>>Welles biography. I've seen a version somewhere in which he had a debate
>>about religion with her. I also recall something about him saying she was
>>an actress, and I did somewhere get the idea that they had done more than
>>debate religion, but I can't place any of it offhand. I've never read the
>>Welles bio.
>>
>>Connie K.
>
> I found a reference to the meeting in Marseilles in Huff (p.247) during which
> Chaplin "twitted Aimee about her success as an evangelist , attributing it to
> her magnetic personality and her showmanship. She was an actress, he said,
> performing to people who frowned upon theatre. " They apparently toured around
> Marseiiles a bit before she went on to the holy land and he went on to Paris to
> meet May Reeves.
That's most of what I remember, so that's probably the main source. There's no
hint of intimacy there, though, so I must have picked that up somewhere else.
Connie K. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:46 pm
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Phil P. (phil@nospam.com) writes:
> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:42:55 -0800, Phil P. <phil DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>On 8 Feb 2007 05:22:39 GMT, do481 DeleteThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Constance Kuriyama)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Phil P. (phil@nospam.com) writes:
>>>> On 4 Feb 2007 17:06:08 -0800, "David Totheroh" <dtotheroh DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Christopher Snowden wrote:
>>>>>> David Totheroh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > The only connection I'm aware of has to do with a meeting in Paris
>>>>>> > that Charlie told Rollie about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if this is the same story that appears in Barbara
>>>>>> Leaming's biography ORSON WELLES, which Welles says Chaplin told him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By any chance, does Rollie's story include the phrase "I thumbed
>>>>>> it in?"
>>>>>
>>>>>Not in those words.
>>>>
>>>> Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing somewhere that they met in Europe.
>>>> Maybe in one of the Robinsons (Carlyle or David).
>>>
>>>It might be in "A Comedian Sees the World"--obviously not the version in the
>>>Welles biography. I've seen a version somewhere in which he had a debate
>>>about religion with her. I also recall something about him saying she was
>>>an actress, and I did somewhere get the idea that they had done more than
>>>debate religion, but I can't place any of it offhand. I've never read the
>>>Welles bio.
>>>
>>>Connie K.
>>
>>I found a reference to the meeting in Marseilles in Huff (p.247) during which
>>Chaplin "twitted Aimee about her success as an evangelist , attributing it to
>>her magnetic personality and her showmanship. She was an actress, he said,
>>performing to people who frowned upon theatre. " They apparently toured around
>>Marseiiles a bit before she went on to the holy land and he went on to Paris to
>>meet May Reeves.
>
> I just had a look at von Ulm and there's three pages on their meeting there.
> Looks like this is where Huff got his info.
Probably so. Then the ultimate source of this would be Kono.
There may have been more of this account in the original draft of von Ulm's
book. She lost a chance to publish it with Morrow because it contained
material that a lawyer hired by Morrow considered potentially libelous,
since von Ulm had no paperwork permitting her to publish it.
The version of von Ulm's book that finally got into print was definitely
toned down, or so one would gather from the lawyer's report, which is
preserved in a collection of the Morrow editor's papers at the University
of Texas.
Connie K. >> Stay informed about: The Aimee Semple McPherson connection |
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