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Sandman wrote:
> In article <1142108444.161547.27550 DeleteThis @u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> "Jeet" <AbhiEJeet DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Why smith gets bewildered after saying this?
>
> Because it's not him saying it.

May be it was oracle in his subconscious mind. But then why didn't
oracle took complete control of smith's mind?


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In article <1142622903.451655.256200 DeleteThis @v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Jeet" <AbhiEJeet DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Why smith gets bewildered after saying this?
> >
> > Because it's not him saying it.
>
> May be it was oracle in his subconscious mind. But then why didn't
> oracle took complete control of smith's mind?

And dance the hula? Well, don't you think she might have done that if
she could? Perhaps we can conclude from that that she couldn't? :)


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Sandman wrote:
> In article <1142622903.451655.256200.DeleteThis@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> "Jeet" <AbhiEJeet.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Why smith gets bewildered after saying this?
> > >
> > > Because it's not him saying it.
> >
> > May be it was oracle in his subconscious mind. But then why didn't
> > oracle took complete control of smith's mind?
>
> And dance the hula? Well, don't you think she might have done that if
> she could? Perhaps we can conclude from that that she couldn't? :)

I am just mesmrised by this movie and watched dozen times. The one
question morpheus asked to neo haunts me everyday.

Have you ever had a dream of which you were so sure was real? What if
you are unable to wake up from that dream? How would you know the
difference between the dream world and real world?

I really don't have answer to that. In my dream there are real looking
streets, buildings, all things of real world, people. I have five
senses present. In one of dream i was posting to usenet like i am doing
now.

This is why i like this movie so much.
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Jeet wrote:
> Sandman wrote:
> > In article <1142622903.451655.256200.RemoveThis@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Jeet" <AbhiEJeet.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Why smith gets bewildered after saying this?
> > > >
> > > > Because it's not him saying it.
> > >
> > > May be it was oracle in his subconscious mind. But then why didn't
> > > oracle took complete control of smith's mind?
> >
> > And dance the hula? Well, don't you think she might have done that if
> > she could? Perhaps we can conclude from that that she couldn't? :)
>
> I am just mesmrised by this movie and watched dozen times. The one
> question morpheus asked to neo haunts me everyday.
>
> Have you ever had a dream of which you were so sure was real? What if
> you are unable to wake up from that dream? How would you know the
> difference between the dream world and real world?
>
> I really don't have answer to that. In my dream there are real looking
> streets, buildings, all things of real world, people. I have five
> senses present. In one of dream i was posting to usenet like i am doing
> now.
>
> This is why i like this movie so much.

And whenever i try to find meaning of life by posting on usenet, smiths
on usenet reminds me,

illusions mr. AbhiJeet. Vagaries of perception. Temporal construct of
feeble human intellect which is desperately trying to justify its
existence which is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as
artificial as matrix itself... You can not win. It is pointless to keep
fighting.

Why, mr. AbhiJeet, why do you persist and post on usenet?
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"Sandman" <mr.RemoveThis@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1142108444.161547.27550.RemoveThis@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> "Jeet" <AbhiEJeet.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why smith gets bewildered after saying this?
>
> Because it's not him saying it.

Do you think Smith would even have noticed that it wasn't him saying it if
he hadn't called him "Neo" instead of "Mr Anderson"? It seems to me that
uttering the word "Neo" is what stunned him. But either way, it was clear at
that moment that Smith wasn't 100% under control.

As the Merovingian had foreshadowed, Smith was also a victim of causality
and completely out of control... only, as a machine/program, he both knew
that and failed to realize that his purpose was to fail.
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"Jeet" <AbhiEJeet.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Why smith gets bewildered after saying this?
>
> And why don't neo show resistance after saying, 'this was inevitable'.

The Matrix story is apocalyptic science-fiction, a variation on the biblical
struggle between Jesus and Satan. Neo, as the One, represents Jesus while
Smith, obviously, represents Satan.

In Revelations 21:6, Jesus, the biblical One, is proclaimed to be the
"beginning and the end":

There is this fascinating myth, in the East, that Jesus spent some of his
time on Earth in their part of the world, preaching a gospel more in tune
with Eastern beliefs. You can read more of this is "The Jesus Sutras" by
Martin Palmer. I bring this up because a careful study of the Upanishads, a
collection of Hindu sacred books, will reveal the concept that the One is
also the All. If the One is All, than Neo/One is "Everything".

The bible predicts that, in the end of times, every knee will bow and every
tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (Philemon 2:10-11). Hence, to stay
true to biblical prophecy, at the end of the Matrix story, Smith/Satan had
to confess that Neo/Jesus/One/All/"Everything" was
Lord/Alpha-and-Omega/"Beginning-and-an-End".

As to why Neo offers no resistance and says this was inevitable, note that
in the bible Jesus triumphs over Satan by laying down his life, by allowing
himself, the biblical One, to be crucified. Jesus/Neo allows Satan/Smith to
kill him. He allows this because it is only by dying to this world of flesh,
to the physical realm, that the One can come to his true power, his destiny.
He must be born again, not of flesh, but of spirit.

We see a foreshadowing of Neo's born-again experience at the end of the
first "Matrix" movie, when Smith kills Neo, only to see Neo "rise again"
more powerful than ever.

Did you read the post a while back where some guy insisted that God did not
want anyone to see this movie, and that every copy of the Matrix should be
burned and then buried so deep no one would ever find it? That was some
christian who figured out the parallels between the Matrix story and his
bible. It literally scared the hell out of him.


Istlota
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In article <AaM4g.11392$Es3.9637@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Istlota" <istlota DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Why smith gets bewildered after saying this?
> >
> > And why don't neo show resistance after saying, 'this was inevitable'.
>
> The Matrix story is apocalyptic science-fiction, a variation on the biblical
> struggle between Jesus and Satan. Neo, as the One, represents Jesus while
> Smith, obviously, represents Satan.

What you probably meant to write:

"The Matrix story, to me, is apocalyptic science-fiction. I see it
as a variation on the biblical struggle between Jesus and Satan.
I see Neo - the One - representing Jesus while Smith, to me,
represents Satan"

The Matrix movies - as lots of other movies - are a work of art
(artistic expression) and as such - only the artist (or in this case,
the artists) can speak with any authority of what it is about - just
like a painter is the only authority of what meaning their paintings
have.

But, just as painted art, movies are open for personal interpretation,
that may not only something different than what the artist meant, but
also something the artist never even dreamt of it meaning. When one
posts in a community forum such as this about the meaning of this
piece of art, I think it's important that don't use general terms as
if we were defining the movie in a broader sense than that of our own
interpretation.

Thanks for your time.



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"Sandman" <mr RemoveThis @sandman.net> wrote in message
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> The Matrix movies - as lots of other movies - are a work of art
> (artistic expression) and as such - only the artist (or in this case,
> the artists) can speak with any authority of what it is about - just
> like a painter is the only authority of what meaning their paintings
> have.

You are making one of two assumptions:

1) I am not the author.
2) The author has not communicated his/her/its vision to me.


Istlota
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In article <u4I5g.278$Ae1.194@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Istlota" <istlota.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > The Matrix movies - as lots of other movies - are a work of art
> > (artistic expression) and as such - only the artist (or in this case,
> > the artists) can speak with any authority of what it is about - just
> > like a painter is the only authority of what meaning their paintings
> > have.
>
> You are making one of two assumptions:
>
> 1) I am not the author.
> 2) The author has not communicated his/her/its vision to me.

Why do you think those are mere assumptions?



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>> The Matrix movies - as lots of other movies - are a work of art
>> (artistic expression) and as such - only the artist (or in this case,
>> the artists) can speak with any authority of what it is about - just
>> like a painter is the only authority of what meaning their paintings
>> have.
>
> You are making one of two assumptions:
>
> 1) I am not the author.
> 2) The author has not communicated his/her/its vision to me.

Answer me this, answer me that...

1. Are you the author?

2. If you are not the author, which I may semi-safely assume since you
answered it for us by making the second statement in the first place, then
has the author communicated his/her/its vision to you?

3. To whom are you referring (the author of which work)?

4. And what is that vision?

Please, keep each answer to a couple of poignant sentences. As a skilled
writer, I know you can!
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