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Neil W

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:35 pm
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Let me rephrase the question. If I watch "The Chaplin Collection" on a
conventional television, am I seeing the pictures as they were originally
framed, or are they chopped off at all? If I am understanding RC correctly,
due to the aspect of most silent films, I am seeing the entire picture (or
at most a miniscule amount is chopped off). Am I understanding that
correctly? (Countess excluded). Thanks!

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:35 pm
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:35:20 -0400, "Neil W"
<neilw RemoveThis @NOSPAMPLEASEnetlib.com> wrote:

>Let me rephrase the question. If I watch "The Chaplin Collection" on a
>conventional television, am I seeing the pictures as they were originally
>framed, or are they chopped off at all? If I am understanding RC correctly,
>due to the aspect of most silent films, I am seeing the entire picture (or
>at most a miniscule amount is chopped off). Am I understanding that
>correctly? (Countess excluded). Thanks!
>

There's generally a little bit cut off on the left in prints that were
incorrectly copied from silent full frame aperture on a printer that
had a sound aperture plate.

The reason for this is that the size of movie frames were,
understandably, altered when the addition of sound-on-film (as opposed
to on a separate disc) came in. The sound runs down the length of the
film between the edge of the frame and the sprockets. In silent film,
the frame went all the way to the sprockets, so if you do a direct
copy of full-aperture silent using a sound film aperture, you'll cut
off part of the frame where the sound track goes.

So on badly made prints you'll occasionally see the first letter or
two of a title card chopped off. Unfortunately, on the early films
Chaplin made (say, prior to 1918 or so) most of the prints out there
are these incorrectly formated ones. On the films he controlled the
rights to (i.e. the "famous ones") this generally isn't a problem.

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David Totheroh

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:35 pm
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Neil W wrote:
> Let me rephrase the question. If I watch "The Chaplin Collection" on a
> conventional television, am I seeing the pictures as they were originally
> framed, or are they chopped off at all? If I am understanding RC correctly,
> due to the aspect of most silent films, I am seeing the entire picture (or
> at most a miniscule amount is chopped off). Am I understanding that
> correctly? (Countess excluded). Thanks!

Basically, yes. The silent shorts and early features all were shot and
framed with the expectation that they would be shown at 1.33:1. Later
releases of those films made minor accomodations for the physical space
needed for a sound track and for the new Academy Aperature standard of
1.37:1, but other than those there was no drastic reframing, as
required in the pan and scan adaptations of wide screen (1.85:1 and
wider) to traditional TV aspect of 4:3.
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George Shelps

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:44 pm
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David Totheroh wrote:

>as required in the pan and scan
>adaptations of wide screen (1.85:1

1.85 was probably never panned and scanned.

Only real wide screen, i.e anamorphic
35mm or 70mm was usually handled this way.
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Constance Kuriyama

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:24 am
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"Neil W" (neilw@NOSPAMPLEASEnetlib.com) writes:
> Let me rephrase the question. If I watch "The Chaplin Collection" on a
> conventional television, am I seeing the pictures as they were originally
> framed, or are they chopped off at all? If I am understanding RC correctly,
> due to the aspect of most silent films, I am seeing the entire picture (or
> at most a miniscule amount is chopped off). Am I understanding that
> correctly? (Countess excluded). Thanks!

You understand correctly. The Image DVDs gemerlly present the entire
picture if it was available on the source print. Yhe Mutuals had sound
tracks added in the thirties, and that inevitably resulted in some loss
of image. One of the aims of restoration is to reverse that loss if
possible.

Connie K.
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