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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:17 pm
Post subject: Chaplin DVDs in letterbox format
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format so you see the whole picture? The few Chaplin DVDs I have purchased
or received as gifts are standard "Pan & Scan" format and so have the sides
cut off. Thanks.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:04 am
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> Is there any place to purchase Chaplin DVDs in Letterbox or Widescreen
> format so you see the whole picture? The few Chaplin DVDs I have purchased
> or received as gifts are standard "Pan & Scan" format and so have the
sides
> cut off. Thanks.
They are all in Black and White, too!! :(
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:17 am
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With the exception of A COUNTESS FROM HONG KONG (1967), none of
Chaplin's films were photographed in any wide-screen process.
Neil Weicher wrote:
> No comprendo. Wanting to see them without the sides chopped off is the same
> as wanting to see them colorized? Isn't it the other way around - that
> someone who is happy with Pan & Scan would be happy with colorization?
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> "Darren" <dnemeth01.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote in message news:
> >> Is there any place to purchase Chaplin DVDs in Letterbox or Widescreen
> >> format so you see the whole picture? The few Chaplin DVDs I have
> >> purchased
> >> or received as gifts are standard "Pan & Scan" format and so have the
> > sides
> >> cut off. Thanks.
> >
> > They are all in Black and White, too!! :(
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> > Darren
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> > >> Stay informed about: Chaplin DVDs in letterbox format |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:28 am
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No comprendo. Wanting to see them without the sides chopped off is the same
as wanting to see them colorized? Isn't it the other way around - that
someone who is happy with Pan & Scan would be happy with colorization?
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"Darren" <dnemeth01.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote in message news:
>> Is there any place to purchase Chaplin DVDs in Letterbox or Widescreen
>> format so you see the whole picture? The few Chaplin DVDs I have
>> purchased
>> or received as gifts are standard "Pan & Scan" format and so have the
> sides
>> cut off. Thanks.
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> They are all in Black and White, too!! :(
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> Darren
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> >> Stay informed about: Chaplin DVDs in letterbox format |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:23 pm
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rfcsac627n.TakeThisOut@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
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> With the exception of A COUNTESS
>FROM HONG KONG (1967), none of
>Chaplin's films were photographed in
>any wide-screen process.
Nor was COUNTESS.
However, it was presented in 1.85 ratio, whereas previous sound Chaplins
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:31 pm
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George Shelps wrote:
> rfcsac627n.TakeThisOut@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
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> > With the exception of A COUNTESS
> >FROM HONG KONG (1967), none of
> >Chaplin's films were photographed in
> >any wide-screen process.
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> Nor was COUNTESS.
COUNTESS was shot hard matte, so it >was< photographed in wide
screen. The VHS tape of COUNTESS is cropped on the sides.
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> However, it was presented in 1.85 ratio, whereas previous sound Chaplins
> were probably in 1.37 >> Stay informed about: Chaplin DVDs in letterbox format |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:36 pm
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Neil W wrote:
> Thanks, Richard. So the old silent films were filmed with the same relative
> dimensions as a standard television, and that what I am seeing on the screen
> is the entire picture?
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Pretty much, yes, although you'd get an argument in a technical film
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:42 pm
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Thanks, Richard. So the old silent films were filmed with the same relative
dimensions as a standard television, and that what I am seeing on the screen
is the entire picture?
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"Richard Carnahan" <rfcsac627n.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
> With the exception of A COUNTESS FROM HONG KONG (1967), none of
> Chaplin's films were photographed in any wide-screen process.
>
> Neil Weicher wrote:
>> No comprendo. Wanting to see them without the sides chopped off is the
>> same
>> as wanting to see them colorized? Isn't it the other way around - that
>> someone who is happy with Pan & Scan would be happy with colorization?
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>> "Darren" <dnemeth01.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote in message news:
>> >> Is there any place to purchase Chaplin DVDs in Letterbox or Widescreen
>> >> format so you see the whole picture? The few Chaplin DVDs I have
>> >> purchased
>> >> or received as gifts are standard "Pan & Scan" format and so have the
>> > sides
>> >> cut off. Thanks.
>> >
>> > They are all in Black and White, too!! :(
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>> >
>> > Darren
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:00 am
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"Richard Carnahan" <rfcsac627n.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Neil W wrote:
>> Thanks, Richard. So the old silent films were filmed with the same
>> relative
>> dimensions as a standard television, and that what I am seeing on the
>> screen
>> is the entire picture?
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> Pretty much, yes, although you'd get an argument in a technical film
> newsgroup.
>
Interesting. I was watching a number of one-reelers the other day
(including The Immigrant) and thinking that they are surely chopping off a
lot of the action. But unfortunately it has been so long since I've seen
them "on the big screen" that I probably just do not remember. Thanks. >> Stay informed about: Chaplin DVDs in letterbox format |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:35 pm
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George Shelps wrote:
> rfcsac627n.DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
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> >>> With the exception of A
> >>>COUNTESS FROM HONG KONG
> >>>(1967), none of Chaplin's films were
> >>>photographed in any wide-screen process.
>
> >>Nor was COUNTESS.
>
> > COUNTESS was shot hard matte, so
> >it >was< photographed in wide screen.
>
> COUNTESS was not shot using any
> anamorphic or large format process.
I didn't say it was.
It
> was made in the standard 35mm of the day,
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> The term "wide screen" was sometimes
> used to distinguish between the old
> 1.37 ratio and the newer 1.85.
That's true.
>
> COUNTESS was actually shot using
> less frame area than previous sound
> Chaplins
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:22 pm
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rfcsac627n DeleteThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
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>>> With the exception of A
>>>COUNTESS FROM HONG KONG
>>>(1967), none of Chaplin's films were
>>>photographed in any wide-screen process.
>>Nor was COUNTESS.
> COUNTESS was shot hard matte, so
>it >was< photographed in wide screen.
COUNTESS was not shot using any
anamorphic or large format process. It
was made in the standard 35mm of the day,
The term "wide screen" was sometimes
used to distinguish between the old
1.37 ratio and the newer 1.85.
COUNTESS was actually shot using
less frame area than previous sound
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:59 pm
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George Shelps wrote:
> rfcsac627n.RemoveThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
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> >>COUNTESS was actually shot using
> >>less frame area than previous sound
> >>Chaplins
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> >Yes, to achieve wide-screen image.
>
> No. Every conventional 35mm film
> from the mid-50s on was cropped
> either in the camera ("hard matte")
> or in the projector to achieve a rectangular "wide screen" frame format.
True.
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> This was the standard formatting and COUNTESS was no different than any
> other regular 35mm film of the period.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:18 pm
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rfcsac627n.RemoveThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
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>>COUNTESS was actually shot using
>>less frame area than previous sound
>>Chaplins
>Yes, to achieve wide-screen image.
No. Every conventional 35mm film
from the mid-50s on was cropped
either in the camera ("hard matte")
or in the projector to achieve a rectangular "wide screen" frame format.
This was the standard formatting and COUNTESS was no different than any
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:08 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:21 am
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It sure wasn't Cinerama, though.
It's funny that even today people matte their Digital Video footage to
give it a wider "theatrical" look, when in reality you're working with
less area. The wide lenses are pretty expensive, though, so it is a
quick and easy way to do it.
Richard Carnahan wrote:
> George Shelps wrote:
> > rfcsac627n.TakeThisOut@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >>COUNTESS was actually shot using
> > >>less frame area than previous sound
> > >>Chaplins
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> > >Yes, to achieve wide-screen image.
> >
> > No. Every conventional 35mm film
> > from the mid-50s on was cropped
> > either in the camera ("hard matte")
> > or in the projector to achieve a rectangular "wide screen" frame format.
>
> True.
> >
> > This was the standard formatting and COUNTESS was no different than any
> > other regular 35mm film of the period.
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> I never said it wasn't standard for the time. But it >was< wide
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