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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:01 pm
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precode (michael_schlesinger@spe.sony.com) writes:
>> 3) as long as we're creeping into the 1950s for guests, has anyone
>> bothered to invite: Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward, Elizabeth Taylor,
>> Lauren Bacall, Debbie Reynolds, Marge Champion, Rita Moreno, Cyd
>> Charisse, etc. etc. etc. I don't wish to step on the toes of those in,
>> as Lloyd would call it, the "ivory tower" but if those putting
>> together the slate for future Cinecons do not have the contacts or
>> time to pursue potential guests, I would hope those more peripheral
>> members, like, say, Miles Kreuger, who DO know these people would be
>> more fully engaged in the process. I know there's a lot of bellyaching
>> from old-time society members over the validity of some guests at this
>> point, but guests *do* bring in out-of-towners, like myself. The
>> society might as well go after the most marquee value they can while
>> those who worked in the studio system are still with us.
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> We've attempted everyone on your list except Newman and Taylor,
> because we knew going in they would turn us down.
Oh come on, Mike, give 'em a shot! Nothing ventured, nothing
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:19 pm
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Although the number of celebrity guests is dwindling, there's another
set of guests for the banquet or shows that Cinecon could tap. I
loved the breakout session two years ago with Bob, Anthony Slide,
James Curtis, and Diana Sierra Caray (Baby Peggy). Listening to you
guys talk about your books was fascinating. There are plenty of
subject matter experts or authors or archivist that could do a short
Q&A after a film, or for a special session. Many of them are
attending Cinecon anyway.
A Q&A with archivists like Rob Stone or James Cozart would be
interesting. There's nobody better to talk about a musical than Miles
Kreuger. Or Richard Roberts for a slapstick comedy. (Yes, he did
introduce the Lloyd Hamilton short and do the Weiss-O-Rama
presentation, but I missed his regular comedy calvacade.) Bob
Mitchell was certainly a celebrity at the DOROTHY VERNON screening.
Has Cinecon considered honoring film archivists or restorers for their
body of work? I know that Kevin Brownlow was honored in 2001. Has
David Shepard been honored? Or honoring a particular author for an
outstanding non-fiction book on early cinema. Those are the kind of
celebrities I'd want to sit next to at the banquet.
This was my fourth Cinecon, and they've all been just wonderful. It's
pretty expensive to fly to LA and stay at a hotel for 4-5 nights. It's
definitely worth if when I can afford it, and when I can bribe my wife
into letting me go. Almost every film except for about three looked
gorgeous in pristine prints. And there were more silents than usual
this year.
My one request would be a few more shorts before the features. And
I'd love to see ANNIE LAURIE sometime too.
http://www.silentfilmstillarchive.com/annie.htm
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:23 pm
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On Sep 18, 12:19 pm, Harlett O'Dowd <chris.conne....DeleteThis@worldspan.com>
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> On Sep 18, 1:58 pm, bbirch....DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
> < "Annie Laurie" was run at
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> > Cinecon 24 in Cleveland.- Hide quoted text -
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> That was almost 20 years ago. Has it been run anywhere else since?
It was done at the Massillon Ohio Lillian and Dorothy Gish festival a
few years back when Mont Alto was there. Since I couldn't preview it,
I played a piano score cold (at least I knew what the theme song would
be). I liked it pretty well, but I made the mistake of not rotating
the piano from our orchestra position -- and I had a crick in my neck
that lasted for three days.
Rodney Sauer
Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:59 pm
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On Sep 18, 10:58 am, bbirch....DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Sep 18, 10:26 am, Randy Beucus <paulfix....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Sep 18, 9:59 am, bbirch....DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
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> > > On Sep 18, 8:58 am, Harlett O'Dowd <chris.conne....DeleteThis@worldspan.com>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > And I would imagine anyone with a book to sell would be an easier
> > > > target, assuming they are or could make themselvs be in the area to
> > > > serve their own interest (a la Granger this year.) Did a bell go off
> > > > in anyone's head when the book came out that it might be worthwhile to
> > > > inquire if he planned to be in the States selling his book over the
> > > > summer? Is anyone directly involved in Cinecon on any (e)mail list
> > > > that would announce some/most/all celebrity publications throughout
> > > > the year as they hit the streets? If so, might those people be pushed
> > > > to the front of the line of possible Cinecon honorees - in advance.
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> > > We were certainly aware of Granger's book and his touring for it
> > > and with it, timing was an issue.
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> > > > may be completely wrong about this, but I get the feeling few if any
> > > > Cinecon staffers start to think about guests until after July 4th.
> > > > That may have been fine 20 years ago, but there are less fish in the
> > > > barrel these days. Again, the day will come when the Society feels
> > > > that celebrity guests do not offer a sufficient rate of return (in
> > > > terms of viability, audience interest, quality Q&A sessions about the
> > > > studio system, etc.) to warrant all the trouble. And perhaps we are
> > > > close to that point now. But so long as the festival is *committed* to
> > > > the guests and the banquet and all that goes with it, it might be
> > > > worth going over who/when/why/how is involved in the celebrity guest
> > > > arena and see if Cinecon *can* build a better celebrity mousetrap.
>
> > > > And regarding the Baby Peggy stuff - again, how many of her films are
> > > > readily available? Even if you've screened *one* BP short in the past,
> > > > does that automatically preclude the programming of any more of her
> > > > work in the future? I for one have never seen any of her films and I
> > > > doubt a sizable percentage of Society members have either. She's a
> > > > delight and a treasure and the single easiest way to add a little star
> > > > wattage to the festival. I'm not talking a big Q&A or anything like
> > > > that, but take 20 minutes and run a two-reeler, let her take a bow,
> > > > and remind folks she's signing her books in the dealer's room. And
> > > > when you're going to run, say, a Gloria Stuart or an Ann Savage
> > > > or ... whatever *anyway* - give 'em a call and invite them to the
> > > > screening and the banquet. If they say no, fine, but if they can come,
> > > > it's a little more stardust with minimal effort.
>
> > > > Once again, I can't overstate how much I appreciate everyone's hard
> > > > work. And Lord knows I couldn't be even 10% as effective as any of the
> > > > folks who work this event. I don't wish to beat up on anybody, but so
> > > > long as Bob's asking, and if there's any way to make the festival run
> > > > even MORE smoothly and be even MORE effective, then maybe it's time to
> > > > tweak the process a bit.- Hide quoted text -
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> > How about screening Rex Ingram's The Arab and his silent version of
> > The Garden of Allah? Also there's a WB film from 1934 that never seems
> > to turn up called Return of the Terror with Lyle Talbot and Mary Astor
> > that would be alot of fun to see.
> > Thanks,
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> I may be wong about this, but I believe "The Arab" only exists in
> a foreign archive with foreign subtitles. We'll look into "The Garden
> of Allah" and "Return of the Terror." "Annie Laurie" was run at
> Cinecon 24 in Cleveland.- Hide quoted text -
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Thanks alot,
Randy
PS,
How's about "Seven Footprints to Satan"?(It does though have foreign
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:02 pm
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I was only able to attend Friday this year, but thoroughly enjoyed
myself. Living in Los Angeles, the guest issue isn't a big deal for me
since we have some many events year round but understand that it can
be a draw for out of towners. For instance, regarding Farley Granger
and his book tour, he was already in LA in late May promoting the book
and attending screenings, so might have been duplicative.
I'd love to see someone like MIles Krueger or Richard Barrios do a
presentation on musicals, especially the early ones as Barrios does in
his book. Robert Osborne? Other guest ideas (I imagine you've
considered but tossing out anyway): Betty Garrett (has she been a
guest?), Kathryn Grayson, Jane Powell (although I think she lives in
NY), Audrey Totter, Cyd Charrise, Eva Marie Saint. I see many of these
women around town at various other screenings so perhaps they're game.
Films: I too would very much enjoy seeing Ingram's "Garden of Allah".
Also, more William Haines -- "Slide Kelly Slide" or "Spring Fever"
perhaps. [although I think one of these is being shown on TCM this
year, newly scored]. How about one of the UCLA technicolor
restorations: "Vagabond King" "Under a Texas Moon" "Vienesse Nights"
or "Follow Thru".
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:04 pm
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 bbirchard.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
> So, what the hey? The clique at Cinecon (that's us swell-headed
> guys who comb the archives and the studios to bring you this event at
> no personal gain to ourselves except the indisputable, and [god help
> us] unsharable "Glory" of being some of the "Big" boys (and girls) of
> Cinecon--the clique that's harder to join than the Red Circle [and
> with all this and a dime we can buy a cup of coffee]) we'd like to ask
> if there's anything you'd like to see at next year's show?
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> Please be advised we favor rare over common, and we tend not to
> run stuff we've run before in the last 10 or 15 years.
First, thanks again to all the organizers, accompanists, volunteers, etc.
I really enjoyed Cinecon again this year.
As I don't have a great feel for which films are too common, and have
only attended for the last 3 years so that I don't know which have been
shown relatively recently, I thought I might give a somewhat longer list
in the hopes that one of them might catch someone else's fancy and also
satisfy your other conditions.
- Derek
Shoes (1916)
Silks and Satins (1916)
Conrad in Quest of His Youth (1920)
The Fast Worker (1924)
North of 36 (1924)
Irish Luck (1925)
The Grand Duchess and the Waiter (1926)
Her Big Night (1926)
Mannequin (1926)
Holiday (1930)
The Man I Killed/Broken Lullaby (1932)
Girl in the News (1941)
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:58 pm
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Bruce, come to Cinevent or Cinesation and you can have an experience
very much like you describe, particularly at Cinesation where the
archivists often introduce the films personally, recounting how they
came to find and restore them. >> Stay informed about: Cinecon Suggestions? |
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:29 pm
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I've heard good and bad about LAUGHTER, a 1930 film with Frederic March and
Nancy Carroll.
Norm Sorensen
<bbirchard.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Well, we keep soliciting suggestions from attendees, and if they
> come through it's usually about three weeks before the show when
> everything is pretty well set (give or take).
>
> So, what the hey? The clique at Cinecon (that's us swell-headed
> guys who comb the archives and the studios to bring you this event at
> no personal gain to ourselves except the indisputable, and [god help
> us] unsharable "Glory" of being some of the "Big" boys (and girls) of
> Cinecon--the clique that's harder to join than the Red Circle [and
> with all this and a dime we can buy a cup of coffee]) we'd like to ask
> if there's anything you'd like to see at next year's show?
>
> Please be advised we favor rare over common, and we tend not to
> run stuff we've run before in the last 10 or 15 years.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:13 pm
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Bob B. wrote:
> ... we'd like to ask
> if there's anything you'd like to see at next year's show?
I agree with the others who've asked for more shorts. It could be
that Cinecon runs relatively few shorts because it's just that many
more films to make arrangements for, and to keep track of. So why not
give Richard Roberts a 90-minute slot every year, and let him run his
own prints? Better yet, give Rusty Casselton a slot too!
In the last few years, Cinecon has run some pretty good silent star
vehicles. Norma Shearer's AFTER MIDNIGHT was okay, but Turner has a
great 35mm of UPSTAGE (1926), which is a far better film, directed by
Monta Bell in his prime. Reginald Denny's OH, DOCTOR! was all right,
but UCLA has his I'LL SHOW YOU THE TOWN (1925, much funnier) and
THAT'S MY DADDY (1928), one of the most charming silents I've ever
seen. Monty Banks' ADAM'S APPLE was just so-so, but why not run PLAY
SAFE (1927)? It was just run at Slapsticon, but for a relatively small
audience, most of whom won't be at Cinecon too.
As for talkies, how about SAILOR'S LUCK (1933), a wild Pre-Code
directed by Raoul Walsh for Fox? And speaking of Fox, UCLA has a
beautiful sepia-toned 35mm print of STORMY WEATHER (1943).
If it's easier to get Columbias than most other companies' films,
I'd recommend WHOM THE GODS DESTROY (1934), a little-known but
powerful film with a great cast of familiar faces. And since Cinecon
always needs a western anyway, how about Tim McCoy's best talkie, END
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:25 pm
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:49 pm
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THE PEACOCK FAN (1929), but only if you can get a tinted 35mm print
that restores the legendary talkie sequence in which Lucien Prival
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:01 pm
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I think the Google ate my post. Trying again:
Bob B. wrote:
> ...we'd like to ask
> if there's anything you'd like to see at next year's show?
I agree with the others who've asked for more shorts. It could be
that Cinecon runs relatively few shorts because it's just that many
more films to make arrangements for, and to keep track of. So why not
give Richard Roberts a 90-minute slot every year, and let him run his
own prints? Better yet, give Rusty Casselton a slot too!
In the last few years, Cinecon has run some pretty good silent star
vehicles. Norma Shearer's AFTER MIDNIGHT was okay, but Turner has a
great 35mm of UPSTAGE (1926), which is a far better film, directed by
Monta Bell in his prime. Reginald Denny's OH, DOCTOR! was all right,
but UCLA has his I'LL SHOW YOU THE TOWN (1925, much funnier) and
THAT'S MY DADDY (1928), one of the most charming silents I've ever
seen. Monty Banks' ADAM'S APPLE was just so-so, but why not run PLAY
SAFE (1927)? It was just run at Slapsticon, but for a relatively small
audience, most of whom won't be at Cinecon too.
As for talkies, how about SAILOR'S LUCK (1933), a wild Pre-Code
directed by Raoul Walsh for Fox? And speaking of Fox, UCLA has a
beautiful sepia-toned 35mm print of STORMY WEATHER (1943).
If it's easier to get Columbias than most other companies' films,
I'd recommend WHOM THE GODS DESTROY (1934), a little-known but
powerful film with a great cast of familiar faces. And since Cinecon
always needs a western anyway, how about Tim McCoy's best talkie, END
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:51 pm
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On Sep 18, 1:19 pm, Bruce Calvert <silentf....TakeThisOut@attbi.com> wrote:
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> A Q&A with archivists like Rob Stone or James Cozart would be
> interesting. There's nobody better to talk about a musical than Miles
> Kreuger. Or Richard Roberts for a slapstick comedy. (Yes, he did
> introduce the Lloyd Hamilton short and do the Weiss-O-Rama
> presentation, but I missed his regular comedy calvacade.) Bob
> Mitchell was certainly a celebrity at the DOROTHY VERNON screening.
We used to do preservation panels regularly, but they were phased out
in favor of archivists introducing specific films. But it's a concept
worth reconsidering.
>
> Has Cinecon considered honoring film archivists or restorers for their
> body of work? I know that Kevin Brownlow was honored in 2001. Has
> David Shepard been honored? Or honoring a particular author for an
> outstanding non-fiction book on early cinema. Those are the kind of
> celebrities I'd want to sit next to at the banquet.
Shepard was indeed honored some time back, as were Bob Gitt, Dick May,
Paul Killiam, et al.
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:18 am
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On Sep 18, 3:02 pm, tcd... DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
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> I'd love to see someone like MIles Krueger or Richard Barrios do a
> presentation on musicals, especially the early ones as Barrios does in
> his book.
Of course, you can't please everybody. We always have a number
of films introduced by interested parties like (this year) Miles
Kreuger, Hugh Munro Neely, Rusty Frank, and Richard Roberts, not to
mention Mike S., Stan T. and me--but every time we have a film intro
we also get complaints from some attendees that there is too much
talk. So this is one of those situations where we can't win either
way. We eaither have not enough or too many intros depending on the
druthers of those in the audience.
Robert Osborne?
Bob certainly knows about Cinecon and he has friends who attend,
but he's nearly always working Labor Day weekend--either at Telluride
or elsewhere.
Other guest ideas (I imagine you've
> considered but tossing out anyway): Betty Garrett (has she been a
> guest?), Kathryn Grayson, Jane Powell (although I think she lives in
> NY), Audrey Totter, Cyd Charrise, Eva Marie Saint. I see many of these
> women around town at various other screenings so perhaps they're game.
Garrett, Grayson and Totter have all been honorees--Garrett and
Totter quite recently. Cyd Charisse and Tony Martin have been asked
in the past but it hasn't worked out.
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> Films: I too would very much enjoy seeing Ingram's "Garden of Allah".
> Also, more William Haines -- "Slide Kelly Slide" or "Spring Fever"
> perhaps. [although I think one of these is being shown on TCM this
> year, newly scored]. How about one of the UCLA technicolor
> restorations: "Vagabond King" "Under a Texas Moon" "Vienesse Nights"
> or "Follow Thru".
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On Sep 18, 3:02 pm, tcd... DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
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> Films: I too would very much enjoy seeing Ingram's "Garden of Allah".
> Also, more William Haines -- "Slide Kelly Slide" or "Spring Fever"
> perhaps. [although I think one of these is being shown on TCM this
> year, newly scored]. How about one of the UCLA technicolor
> restorations: "Vagabond King" "Under a Texas Moon" "Vienesse Nights"
> or "Follow Thru".
>
We've run "Slide, Kelly, Slide," "Under a Texas Moon," and
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