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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:59 am
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On Sep 18, 10:01 pm, Christopher Snowden <unkv... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think the Google ate my post. Trying again:
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> I agree with the others who've asked for more shorts. It could be
> that Cinecon runs relatively few shorts because it's just that many
> more films to make arrangements for, and to keep track of. So why not
> give Richard Roberts a 90-minute slot every year, and let him run his
> own prints? Better yet, give Rusty Casselton a slot too!
This is another area where there's no winning. For every request
we have for more shorts we get an equal or larger number of complaints
that we run too many shorts. This has been especially true when we've
run longer blocks of shorts. The complaints tend to rise
exponentially. Clearly there's an audience for shorts, which we hope
to address with some rareties like the Shaw & Lee and the Lloyd
Hamilton we ran this year, but there's also a group whose butts twitch
when more than one short is run in a row.
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> In the last few years, Cinecon has run some pretty good silent star
> vehicles. Norma Shearer's AFTER MIDNIGHT was okay, but Turner has a
> great 35mm of UPSTAGE (1926), which is a far better film, directed by
> Monta Bell in his prime. Reginald Denny's OH, DOCTOR! was all right,
> but UCLA has his I'LL SHOW YOU THE TOWN (1925, much funnier) and
> THAT'S MY DADDY (1928), one of the most charming silents I've ever
> seen. Monty Banks' ADAM'S APPLE was just so-so, but why not run PLAY
> SAFE (1927)? It was just run at Slapsticon, but for a relatively small
> audience, most of whom won't be at Cinecon too.
>
I could be wrong, but I'd swear we've run "Backstage," but
perhaps I am remembering seeing it someplace else. I don't believe
restoration on "I'll Show You The Town" had been completed when we ran
"Oh, Doctor!" In any event, it's on our short list for the future. I
Agree, "Adam's Apple," while worth seeing, was pretty much a stiff,
BUT it was a request screening--requested by Richard Roberts. I've
always wanted to see the complete "Play Safe."
> As for talkies, how about SAILOR'S LUCK (1933), a wild Pre-Code
> directed by Raoul Walsh for Fox? And speaking of Fox, UCLA has a
> beautiful sepia-toned 35mm print of STORMY WEATHER (1943).
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> If it's easier to get Columbias than most other companies' films,
> I'd recommend WHOM THE GODS DESTROY (1934), a little-known but
> powerful film with a great cast of familiar faces. And since Cinecon
> always needs a western anyway, how about Tim McCoy's best talkie, END
> OF THE TRAIL (1932), a Columbia western shot on location in Wyoming? |
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:59 am
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Maybe you just need to stop listening to an audience that complains
too much.
I dunno, the fests I go to, I would never think of bitching about any
random 1/1-2 hours, there's too much going on and there's always going
to be something that's better or worse. Part of the fun is not
knowing if an unsung gem or deservedly forgotten dud is next-- if I
wanted guaranteed greatness throughout I'd sit at home and watch Billy
Wilder movies all night and never see anything new. |
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:33 am
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On Sep 17, 6:19 pm, bbirch... DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote:
It may be forward of me to make suggestions, since I've only attended
Cinecon once. But I really liked THE WONDERFUL LIE OF NINA PETROVNA
with Brigitte Helm. At Telluride we played for a print from George
Eastman House, but it's the American censored version, with a fair
number of scenes missing. I've seen the entire continuity dubbed off
of Italian TV, and even with Italian titles it's a better film in the
Continental version. I've heard that the BFI has a print with English
titles. Don't know if it's been shown at Cinecon, though.
Rodney Sauer
Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:15 am
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On Sep 19, 8:33 am, "rod...@mont-alto.com" <rod... DeleteThis @mont-alto.com>
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> On Sep 17, 6:19 pm, bbirch... DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote:
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> It may be forward of me to make suggestions, since I've only attended
> Cinecon once. But I really liked THE WONDERFUL LIE OF NINA PETROVNA
> with Brigitte Helm. At Telluride we played for a print from George
> Eastman House, but it's the American censored version, with a fair
> number of scenes missing. I've seen the entire continuity dubbed off
> of Italian TV, and even with Italian titles it's a better film in the
> Continental version. I've heard that the BFI has a print with English
> titles. Don't know if it's been shown at Cinecon, though.
>
> Rodney Sauer
> Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestrawww.mont-alto.com
It ran at Cinecon in 1995 with honorree Francis Lederer in attendance.
Don't recall if it was the expurgated version or not. It's certainly a
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:43 am
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Okay, here's a thought in a new direction.
The hardest major period of well-known films to see isn't any group of
American classics-- it's prewar European sound films. If it's not by
Renoir, Clair or Lang, it's very unlikely to be out on DVD or widely
shown even by the big city film organizations.
Now, you may say, our audience of golden age Hollywood fans isn't
going to want to see heavy, arty European films. Fine. Soviet
tractor movies are out. But obviously there's a lot of similarity
between certain glossy European films and Hollywood films of the same
era. There are ones that were remade, like Viktor und Viktoria or
Pieges. There are ones that were made by people who later came to
Hollywood... like Viktor und Viktoria or Pieges.
Anyway, with some savvy programming you could find things that would
have appeal for the audience that comes to see Alice Faye, and open up
some new territory to boot. >> Stay informed about: Cinecon Suggestions? |
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:17 am
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On Sep 19, 9:43 am, "mikegeb...@gmail.com" <mikegeb....DeleteThis@gmail.com>
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> Okay, here's a thought in a new direction.
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> The hardest major period of well-known films to see isn't any group of
> American classics-- it's prewar European sound films. If it's not by
> Renoir, Clair or Lang, it's very unlikely to be out on DVD or widely
> shown even by the big city film organizations.
Here I'd have to agree. For instance, has anyone seen a movie with
Käthe von Nagy? I haven't, and I know of her only from Katz's
encyclopedia. Yet she was very active in the interwar years (and
intermittently so until 1952) and was apparently quite popular in
Germany and France (where she eventually became Kate de Nagy). Then
there's also Lilian Harvey, another star who bridged silence and
sound, although she's mostly remembered for a few titles. She's
someone who might appeal to the proverbial Alice Faye fans. There's
also a multitude of non-Hitchcock, non-Korda, non-Michael Powell
British films that might be worth seeing, including those with former
Hollywood stars (I'm curious about 1932's Lily Christine, with Corinne
Griffith).
-Harold >> Stay informed about: Cinecon Suggestions? |
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:28 am
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On Sep 19, 5:33 am, "rod...@mont-alto.com" <rod... RemoveThis @mont-alto.com>
wrote:
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> It may be forward of me to make suggestions, since I've only attended
> Cinecon once. But I really liked THE WONDERFUL LIE OF NINA PETROVNA
> with Brigitte Helm. At Telluride we played for a print from George
> Eastman House, but it's the American censored version, with a fair
> number of scenes missing. I've seen the entire continuity dubbed off
> of Italian TV, and even with Italian titles it's a better film in the
> Continental version. I've heard that the BFI has a print with English
> titles. Don't know if it's been shown at Cinecon, though.
>
We ran it several years ago with Francis Lederer as aguest. >> Stay informed about: Cinecon Suggestions? |
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:39 am
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On Sep 19, 8:17 am, Harold Aherne <leotolstoy....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 19, 9:43 am, "mikegeb...@gmail.com" <mikegeb....TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Okay, here's a thought in a new direction.
>
> > The hardest major period of well-known films to see isn't any group of
> > American classics-- it's prewar European sound films. If it's not by
> > Renoir, Clair or Lang, it's very unlikely to be out on DVD or widely
> > shown even by the big city film organizations.
>
> Here I'd have to agree. For instance, has anyone seen a movie with
> Käthe von Nagy? I haven't, and I know of her only from Katz's
> encyclopedia. Yet she was very active in the interwar years (and
> intermittently so until 1952) and was apparently quite popular in
> Germany and France (where she eventually became Kate de Nagy). Then
> there's also Lilian Harvey, another star who bridged silence and
> sound, although she's mostly remembered for a few titles. She's
> someone who might appeal to the proverbial Alice Faye fans. There's
> also a multitude of non-Hitchcock, non-Korda, non-Michael Powell
> British films that might be worth seeing, including those with former
> Hollywood stars (I'm curious about 1932's Lily Christine, with Corinne
> Griffith).
>
> -Harold
We have run a lot of foreign films in the past, but I will admit we've
been a bit lax on this the past few years. It's definitely something
we need to look into in the next few months.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:50 am
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On Sep 18, 10:01 pm, Christopher Snowden <unkv... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think the Google ate my post. Trying again:
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> Bob B. wrote:
> > ...we'd like to ask
> > if there's anything you'd like to see at next year's show?
>
> I agree with the others who've asked for more shorts. It could be
> that Cinecon runs relatively few shorts because it's just that many
> more films to make arrangements for, and to keep track of. So why not
> give Richard Roberts a 90-minute slot every year, and let him run his
> own prints? Better yet, give Rusty Casselton a slot too!
>
> In the last few years, Cinecon has run some pretty good silent star
> vehicles. Norma Shearer's AFTER MIDNIGHT was okay, but Turner has a
> great 35mm of UPSTAGE (1926), which is a far better film, directed by
> Monta Bell in his prime. Reginald Denny's OH, DOCTOR! was all right,
> but UCLA has his I'LL SHOW YOU THE TOWN (1925, much funnier) and
> THAT'S MY DADDY (1928), one of the most charming silents I've ever
> seen. Monty Banks' ADAM'S APPLE was just so-so, but why not run PLAY
> SAFE (1927)? It was just run at Slapsticon, but for a relatively small
> audience, most of whom won't be at Cinecon too.
>
> As for talkies, how about SAILOR'S LUCK (1933), a wild Pre-Code
> directed by Raoul Walsh for Fox? And speaking of Fox, UCLA has a
> beautiful sepia-toned 35mm print of STORMY WEATHER (1943).
>
> If it's easier to get Columbias than most other companies' films,
> I'd recommend WHOM THE GODS DESTROY (1934), a little-known but
> powerful film with a great cast of familiar faces. And since Cinecon
> always needs a western anyway, how about Tim McCoy's best talkie, END
> OF THE TRAIL (1932), a Columbia western shot on location in Wyoming?
I agree with "That's My Daddy" and I'd love to see "I'll Show You The
Town"
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:59 am
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On Sep 19, 7:43 am, "mikegeb...@gmail.com" <mikegeb....DeleteThis@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Okay, here's a thought in a new direction.
>
> The hardest major period of well-known films to see isn't any group of
> American classics-- it's prewar European sound films. If it's not by
> Renoir, Clair or Lang, it's very unlikely to be out on DVD or widely
> shown even by the big city film organizations.
>
> Now, you may say, our audience of golden age Hollywood fans isn't
> going to want to see heavy, arty European films. Fine. Soviet
> tractor movies are out. But obviously there's a lot of similarity
> between certain glossy European films and Hollywood films of the same
> era. There are ones that were remade, like Viktor und Viktoria or
> Pieges. There are ones that were made by people who later came to
> Hollywood... like Viktor und Viktoria or Pieges.
>
> Anyway, with some savvy programming you could find things that would
> have appeal for the audience that comes to see Alice Faye, and open up
> some new territory to boot.
We've certainly run European films in the past, and I'd like to run
some more, but they are somewhat problematic from a purely monetary
point of view. Typically for a film from the BFI, for example, we'll
have to pay a BFI access fee of 250 Pounds or more, a rental fee to
the rights holder--which is often another 250-350 Pounds--and then you
add two-way shipping charges which will add another $500 to $600, so
to run one foreign film can often cost as much as $1,500 to $1,600 to
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:12 pm
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I cast my vote for a repeat screening of that matchless classic, THE
PEACOCK FAN, but only if you can get a nice new tinted 35mm print that
restores the long-lost talkie sequence in which Lucien Prival takes up
the entire last reel explaining whodunit and why. >> Stay informed about: Cinecon Suggestions? |
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:19 pm
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On Sep 19, 5:18 am, bbirch... RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
> Of course, you can't please everybody. We always have a number
> of films introduced by interested parties like (this year) Miles
> Kreuger, Hugh Munro Neely, Rusty Frank, and Richard Roberts, not to
> mention Mike S., Stan T. and me--but every time we have a film intro
> we also get complaints from some attendees that there is too much
> talk.
Intros are appreciated when they impart information relative to a
film's preservation or restoration, or when they give us important
information not generally available in the program-book writeup or
from other sources. But we can do without intros used by presenters to
show off how witty they are. Also, as a general rule, the intros
ought to be considerably shorter than the films themselves. This year
we had an eight-minute intro to a ten-minute comedy short. Both
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:48 pm
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RETURN OF THE TERROR is probably the rarest extant 30s horror film
from a major studio. I've been trying to see it for 30 years (with no
luck). Fortunately, LOC and Wisconsin both have prints.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:15 pm
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On Sep 19, 5:48 pm, "phantom...@aol.com" <phantom... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
> RETURN OF THE TERROR is probably the rarest extant 30s horror film
> from a major studio. I've been trying to see it for 30 years (with no
> luck). Fortunately, LOC and Wisconsin both have prints.
I saw it at Madison many years ago. It's no MYSTERY OF THE WAX
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:44 pm
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On Sep 18, 3:02 pm, tcd... DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> I was only able to attend Friday this year, but thoroughly enjoyed
> myself. Living in Los Angeles, the guest issue isn't a big deal for me
> since we have some many events year round but understand that it can
> be a draw for out of towners. For instance, regarding Farley Granger
> and his book tour, he was already in LA in late May promoting the book
> and attending screenings, so might have been duplicative.
>
> I'd love to see someone like MIles Krueger or Richard Barrios do a
> presentation on musicals, especially the early ones as Barrios does in
> his book. Robert Osborne? Other guest ideas (I imagine you've
> considered but tossing out anyway): Betty Garrett (has she been a
> guest?), Kathryn Grayson, Jane Powell (although I think she lives in
> NY), Audrey Totter, Cyd Charrise, Eva Marie Saint. I see many of these
> women around town at various other screenings so perhaps they're game.
>
> Films: I too would very much enjoy seeing Ingram's "Garden of Allah".
> Also, more William Haines -- "Slide Kelly Slide" or "Spring Fever"
> perhaps. [although I think one of these is being shown on TCM this
> year, newly scored]. How about one of the UCLA technicolor
> restorations: "Vagabond King" "Under a Texas Moon" "Vienesse Nights"
> or "Follow Thru".
>
> .
We had Garrett a mere three years ago; Totter and Gayson have also
been honored, the latter twice. Powell is indeed in NY, Charisse is
not in good shape (and doesn't ike these sorts of things anyway).
Saint is a definite possibility. Miles has done presentations in the
past and continues to intro musicals and do Q&As.
SLIDE, KELLY, SLIDE, VAGABOND KING, TEXAS MOON, VIENNESE NIGHTS and
FOLLOW THRU have all been shown, though most of them were in the '90s.
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