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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:54 pm
Post subject: Computer Specs for Metacorder
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Hey All,
I'm thinking of upgrading my laptop for use with Metacorder. From
your experience in the field, what are the specs that I must
absolutely have for smooth operation? I currently have a G4 iBook
with a 1.2GHz processor and 1 Gig of RAM.
I am still getting weird hiccups and gurgles from the Firewire monitor
on my Mackie Onyx even when I use the CHUD program to turn off the
Processor Nap function. How are most of you guys set up with this?
Are you using a laptop, then daisy-chaining your external Firewire
drives off the Onyx board? Or are you using a Mac Mini or something
other than a laptop? Or is there a good Firewire bridge that you
would recommend?
I have posted this problem before and still can't tell if my hiccups
and drop-outs on the monitor side are from a processor problem that
may introduce problems into the audio intermittently, or if it is from
trying to run an external Firewire drive off the back of the Mackie
board which in turn is plugged into the laptop.
Do I need a newer computer, and if so do I have to upgrade all the way
to a new Intel Apple? Or is this a problem someone else has dealt
with? Is it just a Mackie thing as I have heard from some folks?
Really just looking for your experience in this area.
Thanks,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:48 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:41 am
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On Apr 14, 2:48 am, "Scott Farr" <s....TakeThisOut@farroutpro.com> wrote:
> http://www.metacorder.info/
Thanks Scott,
But, the point of my post is to find out what people are doing in the
field rather than just a straight specs list. I own Metacorder and
therefore have read the webpage and also post to the Metacorder
group. Just to clarify.
Either way, thanks for the quick response.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:09 am
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On Apr 13, 2007, Matt Hamilton <matt.RemoveThis@gorillasound.com> commented:
> How are most of you guys set up with this?
> Are you using a laptop, then daisy-chaining your external Firewire
> drives off the Onyx board? Or are you using a Mac Mini or something
> other than a laptop? Or is there a good Firewire bridge that you
> would recommend?
>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
I've used it on an older G4 1.25G PowerBook and had zero dropouts or
glitches, recording up to 8 tracks (actually a 6+2 configuration). And that
was with only 1 gig of RAM.
I did take the precaution of turning the WiFi off and running nothing other
than MetaCorder, to make sure the processor was occupied only with recording.
I was using a small 80G external drive, powered off the Firewire bus.
We had Metacorder crash a couple of times prior to recording, but never
during recording, so we were always safe. I took the precaution of rolling a
DAT backup (splitting out a mix from the Yamaha 01X mixer we were using at
the time), but wound up never having to use it.
Since the program was developed with a G3 (I think), you can be pretty sure
that you don't need to use a fast Intel processor with it. I suspect you've
got a problem with the actual system, rather than a Metacorder problem per
se.
My advice: install a fresh system from scratch, remove everything
unnecessary (bare minimum fonts, no background programs, keep it off the net
during recording, etc.), and then re-install Metacorder.
--MFW >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:14 am
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what sample rate are you recording at? or specifically, is metacorder
recording at the same sampling frequency as the onyx? also can you set
where the master clock for the sample rate is set from? (although that
may just be an option on the optical link between my studio desk and
soundcard) >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:50 am
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On Apr 14, 6:14 am, "rich" <calumide-fict... RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> what sample rate are you recording at? or specifically, is metacorder
> recording at the same sampling frequency as the onyx? also can you set
> where the master clock for the sample rate is set from? (although that
> may just be an option on the optical link between my studio desk and
> soundcard)
I think it may be just a firewire issue, harddrive should run on it's
own bus .. but since your on a ibook ..... hookup the harddrive first
then the mackie. upgrade to the latest OS at least 10.3.9 Panther or
10.4.9 Tiger. I don't yet have Metacorder but soon will. I've been
using firewire capture of sound and video (FCP and Protools) with
laptops for some time. if you can get a "IceDrive fw400" by
transinternational they have a great firewire chipset and are super
quiet, make sure you get the seagate baracuda drive 7200 rpm 250 gb.We
pay about $250.00 CAD up here in vancouver bc. good luck Don >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:15 am
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On Apr 14, 6:09 am, Marc Wielage <m....DeleteThis@musictrax.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2007, Matt Hamilton <m....DeleteThis@gorillasound.com> commented:
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> > How are most of you guys set up with this?
> > Are you using a laptop, then daisy-chaining your external Firewire
> > drives off the Onyx board? Or are you using a Mac Mini or something
> > other than a laptop? Or is there a good Firewire bridge that you
> > would recommend?
> >------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
>
> I've used it on an older G4 1.25G PowerBook and had zero dropouts or
> glitches, recording up to 8 tracks (actually a 6+2 configuration). And that
> was with only 1 gig of RAM.
>
> I did take the precaution of turning the WiFi off and running nothing other
> than MetaCorder, to make sure the processor was occupied only with recording.
> I was using a small 80G external drive, powered off the Firewire bus.
>
> We had Metacorder crash a couple of times prior to recording, but never
> during recording, so we were always safe. I took the precaution of rolling a
> DAT backup (splitting out a mix from the Yamaha 01X mixer we were using at
> the time), but wound up never having to use it.
>
> Since the program was developed with a G3 (I think), you can be pretty sure
> that you don't need to use a fast Intel processor with it. I suspect you've
> got a problem with the actual system, rather than a Metacorder problem per
> se.
>
> My advice: install a fresh system from scratch, remove everything
> unnecessary (bare minimum fonts, no background programs, keep it off the net
> during recording, etc.), and then re-install Metacorder.
>
> --MFW
I just ran a test with Metacorder on a G4 12" (1.2 GHz/1 GB) w/ a
Traveler and an 8Pre recording 20 tracks of 24/48 for just under two
hours. (Mono BWFs). All good. My computer has a few other programs
on it, and wifi was (inadvertently) left on. In realworld use I see
occasional hitches in the display but there have never been any
hits in the audio related to this. (Just make sure your clocking is
very together.) Sorry, I don't have any Onyx experience, except that
my friends using them finally aggregated the Onyx w/ a Traveler etc in
order to get the ADAC clocking and the TC to be in sync.
Philip Perkins >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:37 pm
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Matt Hamilton wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> I'm thinking of upgrading my laptop for use with Metacorder. From
> your experience in the field, what are the specs that I must
> absolutely have for smooth operation? I currently have a G4 iBook
> with a 1.2GHz processor and 1 Gig of RAM.
>
> I am still getting weird hiccups and gurgles from the Firewire monitor
> on my Mackie Onyx even when I use the CHUD program to turn off the
> Processor Nap function. How are most of you guys set up with this?
> Are you using a laptop, then daisy-chaining your external Firewire
> drives off the Onyx board? Or are you using a Mac Mini or something
> other than a laptop? Or is there a good Firewire bridge that you
> would recommend?
>
> I have posted this problem before and still can't tell if my hiccups
> and drop-outs on the monitor side are from a processor problem that
> may introduce problems into the audio intermittently, or if it is from
> trying to run an external Firewire drive off the back of the Mackie
> board which in turn is plugged into the laptop.
>
> Do I need a newer computer, and if so do I have to upgrade all the way
> to a new Intel Apple? Or is this a problem someone else has dealt
> with? Is it just a Mackie thing as I have heard from some folks?
>
> Really just looking for your experience in this area.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Hamilton
>
We use an iBook with similar specs to yours I believe. We haven't had
any problems with our ONYX 1620 with the firewire - but we always use a
USB 2.0 external drive instead of chaining the firewire. >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:49 pm
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On Apr 14, 2007, Philip Perkins <spamiser.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> commented:
> In realworld use I see
> occasional hitches in the display but there have never been any
> hits in the audio related to this.
>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
Yeah, I've seen that to -- sometimes if I pull down a menu or click on a
button, the screen is slow to respond. The meters are also a little dodgy,
but they're usable.
Once you get out of record, the screen redraws are fine.
--MFW >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:43 pm
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Wow,
USB 2.0 is fast enough? I had heard it was too slow. Does this work
as your primary record drive or as a secondary or mirror drive?
I am recording straight to the Firewire drive as my primary. No
secondary.
-Matt
On Apr 14, 7:37 pm, edgy <hotm... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Matt Hamilton wrote:
> > Hey All,
>
> > I'm thinking of upgrading my laptop for use with Metacorder. From
> > your experience in the field, what are the specs that I must
> > absolutely have for smooth operation? I currently have a G4 iBook
> > with a 1.2GHz processor and 1 Gig of RAM.
>
> > I am still getting weird hiccups and gurgles from the Firewire monitor
> > on my Mackie Onyx even when I use the CHUD program to turn off the
> > Processor Nap function. How are most of you guys set up with this?
> > Are you using a laptop, then daisy-chaining your external Firewire
> > drives off the Onyx board? Or are you using a Mac Mini or something
> > other than a laptop? Or is there a good Firewire bridge that you
> > would recommend?
>
> > I have posted this problem before and still can't tell if my hiccups
> > and drop-outs on the monitor side are from a processor problem that
> > may introduce problems into the audio intermittently, or if it is from
> > trying to run an external Firewire drive off the back of the Mackie
> > board which in turn is plugged into the laptop.
>
> > Do I need a newer computer, and if so do I have to upgrade all the way
> > to a new Intel Apple? Or is this a problem someone else has dealt
> > with? Is it just a Mackie thing as I have heard from some folks?
>
> > Really just looking for your experience in this area.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Matt Hamilton
>
> We use an iBook with similar specs to yours I believe. We haven't had
> any problems with our ONYX 1620 with the firewire - but we always use a
> USB 2.0 external drive instead of chaining the firewire. >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:47 pm
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One more thing,
I had the Metacorder crash completely when I tried clicking "Circle
Take" on a previously recorded take in the main window then hitting
"save". Totally took it down and then would not show the last two
takes on the sound roll. Really weird. Not sure if you've had that
experience, either. >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:44 am
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"Matt Hamilton" <matt RemoveThis @gorillasound.com> wrote in message
news:1176705797.619605.96850@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Wow,
>
> USB 2.0 is fast enough? I had heard it was too slow. Does this work
> as your primary record drive or as a secondary or mirror drive?
>
> I am recording straight to the Firewire drive as my primary. No
> secondary.
>
> -Matt
USB 2.0 = 480 Mbit/s
Firewire 400 = 400 Mbit/s
Firewire has an advantage with daisy chaining.
I practice I "measure" about the same transfer rates from my drives with
either interface. >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:46 am
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"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras DeleteThis @tomaras.com> wrote in message
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> "Matt Hamilton" <matt DeleteThis @gorillasound.com> wrote in message
> news:1176705797.619605.96850@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> Wow,
>>
>> USB 2.0 is fast enough? I had heard it was too slow. Does this work
>> as your primary record drive or as a secondary or mirror drive?
>>
>> I am recording straight to the Firewire drive as my primary. No
>> secondary.
>>
>> -Matt
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> USB 2.0 = 480 Mbit/s
> Firewire 400 = 400 Mbit/s
>
> Firewire has an advantage with daisy chaining.
>
> I practice I "measure" about the same transfer rates from my drives with
> either interface.
Here's what Wikipedia offers on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#USB_2.0_Hi-Speed_ver..._FireWi >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:57 am
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>> We use an iBook with similar specs to yours I believe. We haven't had
>> any problems with our ONYX 1620 with the firewire - but we always use a
>> USB 2.0 external drive instead of chaining the firewire.
>
> Matt Hamilton wrote:
> Wow,
>
> USB 2.0 is fast enough? I had heard it was too slow. Does this work
> as your primary record drive or as a secondary or mirror drive?
>
> I am recording straight to the Firewire drive as my primary. No
> secondary.
>
> -Matt
>
Primary record drive. Note that we also experience the sluggish screen
when recording, although have seen no issues with the audio.
Have used this setup with a 1640 and 1620 daisy-chained into a new
Macbook Pro and out to a USB drive as primary - a (very) rough
calculation on my fingers says that writing 24 tracks should be about
1/20th of the bandwidth of USB 2.0...
Actually, that seems pretty amazing, so maybe somebody can take a look
at this math:
24 tracks of WAV at 24/48 would be about 12 gigs per hour, right? Divide
by 3600 seconds is 3.33 MB or 27Mbits.. well under the published speed
of 480Mbits.
There may be more to it that I'm missing. >> Stay informed about: Computer Specs for Metacorder |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:01 pm
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On Apr 16, 2007, Charles Tomaras <tomaras.RemoveThis@tomaras.com> commented:
> USB 2.0 = 480 Mbit/s
> Firewire 400 = 400 Mbit/s
>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
My experience is that this is only true for burst speeds, not for long term,
sustained file handling (like multitrack recording or copying large files).
For example, in cases where I've had to copy 500G drives, it typically takes
at least 25% longer via USB2 than it does on Firewire 400.
I think the best solution is to go with eSATA, but it's not widely supported
(yet).
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