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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:26 pm
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Example of ACLU "tolerance" for
free speech----
High School Valedictorian Refuses to Bow Down; Has Speech Censored
June 21, 2006
Brittany McComb was the valedictorian at Foothill High School recently.
She graduated with a 4.7 GPA. She earned the right to address the other
graduates at Foothill, located in Henderson, Nevada.
She gave a copy of her graduating speech to the school administrators.
It contained some Biblical references and even mentioned (one time) the
name "Christ."
The school administrators censored some of the Biblical references. They
also
censored the single reference to Christ.
Then the school officials handed the speech over to the ACLU for
approval and/or more censoring. After getting the OK from the ACLU,
Brittany's speech (minus the censored references to the Bible and
Christ) was approved. Brittany was warned that if she deviated from the
ACLU approved language, her mike would be cut off.
Then came the moment for the big decision. She would not bow down, she
decided. She would go with her original version. She stepped to the mike
and began her speech. But just before she could utter the name "Christ,"
her mike went dead. School officials silenced her.
The crowd of 400 jeered for several minutes, angry at the action of the
school officials. The ACLU was happy. They had silenced another
Christian.
"I went through four years of school at Foothill and they taught me
logic and they taught me freedom of speech. God's the biggest part of my
life. Just like other valedictorians thank their parents, I wanted to
thank my lord and savior," Brittany said.
Because she refused to bow down to the ACLU's idol of gold, she did not
get her wish. She was censored.
This young heroine deserves praise and a thank you from those who
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:26 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:26 pm
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Richard Carnahan wrote:
> George Shelps wrote:
> > Example of ACLU "tolerance" for
> > free speech----
> >
> >
> > High School Valedictorian Refuses to Bow Down; Has Speech Censored
> >
>
> What's the source of this news article?
Nevermind. It's Sermonaudio.com >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:42 pm
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Richard Carnahan wrote:
>>Example of ACLU "tolerance" for
>>free speech----
>>High School Valedictorian Refuses to
>>Bow Down; Has Speech Censored
> What's the source of this news
?article?
> Nevermind. It's Sermonaudio.com
It was all over the news and the valedictorian appeared on Hannity and
Colmes.
A good example of the modern-day
anti-religious fanaticism of the ACLU
going way beyond anything the Framers
intended by the First Amendment. >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:01 pm
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George Shelps 6/22/06 1:26 PM
> This young heroine deserves praise and a thank you from those who
> believe in free speech
I agree
Just as the students who refuse to say "under god" during the pledge of
allegiance should be given the same respect
And freedom to make reference to allah. Or to buddah. Or Elvis.
I don't have a problem with this little girl wanting to refer to god in her
address. I have a problem with people who believe the term "godless" is
somehow bad or inferior to those who choose to believe the superstition
known as christianity
JN >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:11 pm
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jneibaur.TakeThisOut@wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
wrote:
>I don't have a problem with this little girl
>wanting to refer to god in her address. I
>have a problem with people who believe
>the term "godless" is somehow bad or
>inferior to those who choose to believe
>the superstition known as christianity
As a follower of that "superstition,"
I salute your fairness on this
topic.
However, "godlessness" is bad
when an attempt is made to impose
it via law or to make government
officially "godless," which goes against
what the Framers intended by
freedom of religion. >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:04 am
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George Shelps 6/22/06 6:11 PM
> However, "godlessness" is bad
> when an attempt is made to impose
> it via law or to make government
> officially "godless," which goes against
> what the Framers intended by
> freedom of religion.
and also freedom from religion >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:04 am
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jneibaur.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
wrote:
>>However, "godlessness" is bad
>>when an attempt is made to impose
>>it via law or to make government
>>officially "godless," which goes against
>>what the Framers intended by
>>freedom of religion.
>and also freedom from religion
No, they never intended that the government be religiously neutral,
simply
that there should be no established
church as in Europe of the period.
That the government should be religiously
neutral was a ruling of the Warren
Supreme Court, which now has the
force of stare decisis...precedent. >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:29 am
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George Shelps 6/22/06 10:07 PM
> No, they never intended that the government be religiously neutral,
> simply
> that there should be no established
> church as in Europe of the period.
But I have every right not to practice any religion at all. We all do.
That is up to each individual. I do not expect anyone to stop believing in
god, but also would prefer they leave me to not believe.
By the way, I know the bible about as well as I know comedy film. Take that
any way you wish.
JN >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:30 am
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jneibaur.DeleteThis@wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
wrote:
>>No, they never intended that the
>>government be religiously neutral,
>>simply that there should be no
>>established church as in Europe of the
>>period.
>But I have every right not to practice any
>religion at all. We all do. That is up to
>each individual. I do not expect anyone
>to stop believing in god, but also would
>prefer they leave me to not believe.
>By the way, I know the bible about as
>well as I know comedy film. Take that
>any way you wish.
You have the right not to believe but
that doesn't mean the whole society
has to be neutral about religion to
avoid upsetting you! >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:58 am
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George Shelps 6/22/06 11:46 PM
>
>
> jneibaur.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
> wrote:
>
>>> No, they never intended that the
>>> government be religiously neutral,
>>> simply that there should be no
>>> established church as in Europe of the
>>> period.
>
>> But I have every right not to practice any
>> religion at all. We all do. That is up to
>> each individual. I do not expect anyone
>> to stop believing in god, but also would
>> prefer they leave me to not believe.
>
>> By the way, I know the bible about as
>> well as I know comedy film. Take that
>> any way you wish.
>
> You have the right not to believe but
> that doesn't mean the whole society
> has to be neutral about religion to
> avoid upsetting you!
>
>
I never once said it did. I have no problem seeing nativity scenes at
Christmastime, hearing people reference god or indicating that they pray,
etc. But when I am honest about how I feel, they have a real problem that I
am no longer a christian. Especially when we discuss the bible and the
discover that I know roughly as much as their minister. >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:07 am
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On 6/22/06 11:58 PM, in article C0C0E02D.776C7%jneibaur@wi.rr.com, "James
Neibaur" <jneibaur DeleteThis @wi.rr.com> wrote:
> George Shelps 6/22/06 11:46 PM
>
>>
>>
>> jneibaur DeleteThis @wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> No, they never intended that the
>>>> government be religiously neutral,
>>>> simply that there should be no
>>>> established church as in Europe of the
>>>> period.
>>
>>> But I have every right not to practice any
>>> religion at all. We all do. That is up to
>>> each individual. I do not expect anyone
>>> to stop believing in god, but also would
>>> prefer they leave me to not believe.
>>
>>> By the way, I know the bible about as
>>> well as I know comedy film. Take that
>>> any way you wish.
>>
>> You have the right not to believe but
>> that doesn't mean the whole society
>> has to be neutral about religion to
>> avoid upsetting you!
>>
>>
>
> I never once said it did. I have no problem seeing nativity scenes at
> Christmastime, hearing people reference god or indicating that they pray,
> etc. But when I am honest about how I feel, they have a real problem that I
> am no longer a christian. Especially when we discuss the bible and the
> discover that I know roughly as much as their minister.
>
Yes, that is the real problem for Christians. Many atheists know the Bible
cold, often being former ministers and such. A lot of Christians go unhinged
when confronted by someone who knows their dogma, yet does not believe. They
believe everyone is really at heart a Christian, and a real atheist is
unexplainable. Hence, atheists are presented as immoral, with the subtext
that atheists are all working for Satan. LOL. >> Stay informed about: For David Pearson, amc villlage atheist |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:19 pm
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David Pearson wrote:
>Jim N wrote:
>>Especially when we discuss the bible
>>and the discover that I know roughly as
>>much as their minister.
>Yes, that is the real problem for>
>Christians.
Not for this Christian, boys.
> Many atheists know the Bible cold, often
>being former ministers and such. A lot of
>Christians go unhinged when confronted
>by someone who knows their dogma, yet
>does not believe.
You're clueless if you think a believing
Christian needs "dogma" to have
a relationship to the deity.
> They believe everyone is really at heart
>a Christian, and a real atheist is
>unexplainable. Hence, atheists are
>presented as immoral
Not immoral, confused and narrow-minded mostly.
>, with the subtext that atheists are all
>working for Satan. LOL.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:50 pm
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On 6/23/06 6:19 PM, in article
15203-449C7706-391.RemoveThis@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net, "George Shelps"
<G-HELPS.RemoveThis@webtv.net> wrote:
> David Pearson wrote:
>
>> Jim N wrote:
>
>>> Especially when we discuss the bible
>>> and the discover that I know roughly as
>>> much as their minister.
>
>> Yes, that is the real problem for>
>> Christians.
>
> Not for this Christian, boys.
I notice you aren't even trying to defend the massive number of errors in
your "holy" scriptures. Mark Twain counted over 1,000...
>> Many atheists know the Bible cold, often
>> being former ministers and such. A lot of
>> Christians go unhinged when confronted
>> by someone who knows their dogma, yet
>> does not believe.
>
> You're clueless if you think a believing
> Christian needs "dogma" to have
> a relationship to the deity.
One seems to go the other.
>> They believe everyone is really at heart
>> a Christian, and a real atheist is
>> unexplainable. Hence, atheists are
>> presented as immoral
>
> Not immoral, confused and narrow-minded mostly.
You misspelled "honest."
>> , with the subtext that atheists are all
>> working for Satan. LOL.
>
> Some are, most aren't.
George, the concept of Satan is likely the most absurd thing -- of many
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:38 pm
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dbpearson.TakeThisOut@charter.net (David B. Pearson) wrote:
>I notice you aren't even trying to defend
>the massive number of errors in your
>"holy" scriptures. Mark Twain counted
>over 1,000...
Nope. I am not a fundamentalist and
I know that the people who wrote the
Bible were inspired but flawed human beings.
>>>Many atheists know the Bible cold, often
>>>being former ministers and such. A lot
>>>of Christians go unhinged when
>>>confronted by someone who knows
>>>their dogma, yet does not believe.
>>You're clueless if you think a believing
>>Christian needs "dogma" to have a
>>relationship to the deity.
>One seems to go the other.
Not necessarily.
>>>, with the subtext that atheists are al
>>>working for Satan. LOL.
>>Some are, most aren't.
>George, the concept of Satan is likely
>the most absurd thing -- of many>absurd things -- in your entire
religion.
How else do you explain monumental
evils like the Holocaust? This indicates
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