Delta Essential Charlie Chaplin

On 27 Sep 2003 23:49:08 -0700, bruce RemoveThis @spam.zuhause.mn.org (Bruce
Albrecht) wrote:

>My wife bought a copy of the 8-disc collection for me for my birthday
>(I was hinting for the 7 disc Image collection). Has someone who has
>actually viewed both this (or the 12 disc version) and the Image
>collection confirm that the image quality of the Delta collection is
>inferior to the Image collection? I'm thinking of returning the Delta
>set and finding a copy of the Image set if this is the case.

The Delta set has the same crummy versions that are available on
Madacy and Koch - almost unwatchable copies of the films that are
accompanied by really stupid soundtracks. However, it does have all of
the existing Keystone films, in chronological order. They are merely
unwatchable!

The Image set has all of the Essanay and Mutual films, in the current
best quality available on DVD.

All of this may be coming out in the next few months from the BFI in
newly restored versions. Certainly any restored Keystones will beat
the pants off the current shoddy offerings. It's possible that some of
the Essanay films will be somewhat improved, but it's doubtful if by
much. The Keystone films might have more footage in them from the BFI
as well.

Regardless, I would get rid of the Delta set. It is rotten.

Mark
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There has been some discussion of the BFI releases of Chaplin shorts.

Unless plans have changed and they haven't told me, BFI will be releasing our
versions of the Essanay films, identical to those offered by Image except that
the master digital tapes have been converted to PAL and the set will be
packaged in two rather than three DVDs.

The BFI releases of the Mutuals will be basically the same as the Image
editions, converted to PAL, but with three important changes.

First, they will be releasing the films in two sets of six, the first set to be
released the end of November and the second set in the fall of 2004.

Second, Kevin Brownlow is restoring some missing snippets from materials held
by the BFI National Film Video and Television Archive.

Third, all of the films will have new scores composed and conducted by Carl
Davis.

Of course it is also our intention to release these versions in the USA and
Europe but this will depend upon Image and ARTE, who have exclusive rights for
some time ahead in the existing versions (from which the new versions derive),
and the matter has not yet been resolved. At the moment, only the UK release
is set.

The first BFI set will include EASY STREET, THE IMMIGRANT, THE ADVENTURER, THE
RINK, THE CURE, and BEHIND THE SCREEN.

The DVD release is tied to a concert presentation with Carl Davis conducting
the London Philharmonic at Royal Festival Hall at the end of November. Three of
the Mutuals will be used as curtain raisers to three CC features, THE KID, CITY
LIGHTS and THE CIRCUS.

David Shepard
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Oh, and I forgot to add that in the second series, for better or worse we will
use the longer version of ONE A.M.

D.S.
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What could be "worse" about a longer ONE A.M.?

On 28 Sep 2003 18:31:18 GMT, dshepfilm.DeleteThis@aol.com (DShepFilm) wrote:

>Oh, and I forgot to add that in the second series, for better or worse we will
>use the longer version of ONE A.M.
>
>D.S.
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<Phil P.> wrote in message
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> What could be "worse" about a longer ONE A.M.?

My sentiments exactly! I'm dying to see the Alpine mountaineer staircase
climb, as opposed to merely an extremely jarring jump cut...

Is the first BFI Mutuals volume still on track for release in November???
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Will BFI be releasing Keystones as well?

Bill Coleman
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"DShepFilm" <dshepfilm.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> There has been some discussion of the BFI releases of Chaplin shorts.
>
> Unless plans have changed and they haven't told me, BFI will be releasing
our
> versions of the Essanay films, identical to those offered by Image except
that
> the master digital tapes have been converted to PAL and the set will be
> packaged in two rather than three DVDs.
>
> The BFI releases of the Mutuals will be basically the same as the Image
> editions, converted to PAL, but with three important changes.
>
> First, they will be releasing the films in two sets of six, the first set
to be
> released the end of November and the second set in the fall of 2004.
>
> Second, Kevin Brownlow is restoring some missing snippets from materials
held
> by the BFI National Film Video and Television Archive.
>
> Third, all of the films will have new scores composed and conducted by
Carl
> Davis.
>
> Of course it is also our intention to release these versions in the USA
and
> Europe but this will depend upon Image and ARTE, who have exclusive rights
for
> some time ahead in the existing versions (from which the new versions
derive),
> and the matter has not yet been resolved. At the moment, only the UK
release
> is set.
>
> The first BFI set will include EASY STREET, THE IMMIGRANT, THE ADVENTURER,
THE
> RINK, THE CURE, and BEHIND THE SCREEN.
>
> The DVD release is tied to a concert presentation with Carl Davis
conducting
> the London Philharmonic at Royal Festival Hall at the end of November.
Three of
> the Mutuals will be used as curtain raisers to three CC features, THE KID,
CITY
> LIGHTS and THE CIRCUS.
>
> David Shepard
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<< Will BFI be releasing Keystones as well? >>

There is a long, long restoration road ahead on the Keystones. It's a
cooperative project among the BFI, the Bologna archive, and Lobster Films
(Paris) with whom I work, and have shared our materials. At the end Lobster
will have the right to determine the commercial release, and of course it's
everyone's expectation that there will be one. Someday.

David S
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"DShepFilm" <dshepfilm DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> << Will BFI be releasing Keystones as well? >>
>
> There is a long, long restoration road ahead on the Keystones. It's a
> cooperative project among the BFI, the Bologna archive, and Lobster Films
> (Paris) with whom I work, and have shared our materials. At the end
Lobster
> will have the right to determine the commercial release, and of course
it's
> everyone's expectation that there will be one. Someday.
>
> David S

And, even if it takes a few years, if it's done right (and I'm sure it will
be), it will be well worth waiting for. With the restoration of the Mutuals
and the Keystones, my Chaplin collection will at last attain completion and
nigh perfection, except for THE BOND, which I hope pops up restored on one
of these upcoming compilations. I've never seen it, and am very much
wanting to. Now, if only HER FRIEND THE BANDIT would turn up one of these
centuries...

David, we the fans will be forever in the debt of you and your colleagues.
My most heartfelt thanks to all of you.
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"WaverBoy" (waverboyNOSPAM@comcast.net) writes:
> <Phil P.> wrote in message
> news:r0cenv8t2781f64gubp71m2fsbdd0vlm7d@4ax.com...
>> What could be "worse" about a longer ONE A.M.?

It makes the stair-climbing phase of the film too long, and isn't
particularly funny?

> My sentiments exactly! I'm dying to see the Alpine mountaineer staircase
> climb, as opposed to merely an extremely jarring jump cut...

I think it's right to include it, since some people will surely
enjoy it more than I do. No doubt it would help to have it in a
better print than the one I saw.

It would be interesting to know who took it out, when, and why--
not necessarily for a good reason, of course.

Connie K.
--
"Our century is inconceivable without its . . . inconclusive mob of isms."
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"Frodis" <antifrodis RemoveThis @antifrodis.com> wrote in message news:<kfScndv22be2cOuiU-KYvg RemoveThis @comcast.com>...
> I saw this set in the store as well. I would buy it just because of the
> Keystones. There is no Image set containing Chaplin's Keystone films. Only
> a select few were released by Image. However, I can tell you without a
> doubt that the Essanays and Mutuals will not look as good as they do on the
> Image discs.

It looks to me like the 8 disc set only contains a subset of the
Keystone films anyway.
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>bruce@spam.zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht)

>"Frodis" <antifrodis.TakeThisOut@antifrodis.com> wrote in message
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>> I saw this set in the store as well. I would buy it just because of the
>> Keystones. There is no Image set containing Chaplin's Keystone films.
>Only
>> a select few were released by Image. However, I can tell you without a
>> doubt that the Essanays and Mutuals will not look as good as they do on the
>> Image discs.
>
>It looks to me like the 8 disc set only contains a subset of the
>Keystone films anyway.
>
They'll make a lovely set of coasters.
RC
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On 29 Sep 2003 14:35:55 GMT, rfcsac627n RemoveThis @aol.com (RFCSAC627N) wrote:

>>bruce@spam.zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht)
>
>>"Frodis" <antifrodis RemoveThis @antifrodis.com> wrote in message
>>news:<kfScndv22be2cOuiU-KYvg RemoveThis @comcast.com>...
>>> I saw this set in the store as well. I would buy it just because of the
>>> Keystones. There is no Image set containing Chaplin's Keystone films.
>>Only
>>> a select few were released by Image. However, I can tell you without a
>>> doubt that the Essanays and Mutuals will not look as good as they do on the
>>> Image discs.
>>
>>It looks to me like the 8 disc set only contains a subset of the
>>Keystone films anyway.
>>
> They'll make a lovely set of coasters.
> RC
No, they'll make an ugly set of coasters.

Mark
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Mr. Moose <mutantmoose.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<oaudnvop8b78ojlcs6rm2eo7hvvc1utfus.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...


> > They are merely unwatchable!

Thank you for the information. I have considered to buy these discs,
but are not going to do it now.

> > However, it does have all of the existing Keystone films, in chronological > > order. They are merely unwatchable!

I tried to find som information about these discs, and from Barnes &
Nobels and other sourses I made this overview, where I have registered
if the film is available from Image. Some Keystone films from Delta
and other companies have not the original names. These names are also
added:

Charles Chaplin films on Delta DVD

Delta Volume 1:
1. Making A Living (Keystone, 2. feb. 1914)
2. Kid Auto Races At Venice (Keystone, 7. feb. 1914)
3. Mabel’s Strange Predicament (Keystone, 9. feb. 1914)
4. Between Showers (Keystone, 28. feb. 1914)
5. A Film Johnnie (Keystone, 2. mars 1914)
6. Tango Tangles (Charlies Recreation) (Keystone, 9. mars 1914)
7. His Favorite Pastime (Keystone, 16. mars 1914)

Delta Volume 2:
8. Cruel, Cruel Love (Keystone, 26. mars 1914)
9. The Star Boarder (The Landladys Pet) (Keystone, 4. apr. 1914)
11. Twenty Minutes Of Love (Keystone, 20. apr. 1914)
12. Caught In A Cabaret (Keystone, 27. apr. 1914)
14. A Busy Day (Keystone, 7. mai 1914)
15. The Fatal Mallet (Keystone, 1. juni 1914)
17. The Knockout (Keystone, 11. juni 1914)

Delta Volume 3:
19. Mabel’s Married Life (Keystone, 20. juni 1914) (Image)
20. Laughing Gas (Keystone, 9. juli 1914)
22. The Face On The Barrom Floor (Keystone, 10. aug. 1914)
23. Recreation (Keystone, 13. aug. 1914)
24. The Masquerader (Keystone, 27. aug. 1914)
25. His New Profession (The Good For Nothing)
(Keystone, 31. aug. 1914)
26. The Rounders (Keystone, 7. sept. 1914) (Image)

Delta Volume 4:
27. The New Janitor (Keystone, 24. sep. 1914)
28. Those Love Pangs (The Rival Mashers) (Keystone, 10. okt. 1914)
31. His Musical Career (Musical Tramp) (Keystone, 7. nov. 1914)
34. Getting Acquainted (A Fair Exchange) (Keystone, 5. des. 1914)
36. His New Job (Essanay, 1. feb. 1915) (Image)
37. A Night Out (Essanay, 15. feb. 1915) (Image)
38. The Champion (Essanay, 11. mars 1915) (Image)

Delta Volume 5:
29. Dough And Dynamite (Keystone, 26. okt. 1914)
39. In The Park (Essanay, 18. mars 1915) (Image)
41. The Tramp (Essanay, 11. apr. 1915) (Image)
42. By The Sea (Essanay, 29. apr. 1915) (Image)

Delta Volume 6:
43. Work (Essanay, 21. juni 1915) (Image)
44. A Woman (Essanay, 12. juli 1915) (Image)
45. The Bank (Essanay, 16. aug. 1915) (Image)
46. Shanghaied (Essanay, 4. okt. 1915) (Image)

Delta Volume 7:
47. A Night In The Show (Essanay, 20. nov. 1915) (Image)
48. (Charlie Chaplin’s) Burlesque On Carmen (Essanay,
18. des. 1915/ 22. apr. 1916) (There are two editions
of this film, the shorter one that Chaplin made and the
longer one that Essanay published. Both Delta and Image
have published the shorter one)
49. Police (Essanay, 27. mai 1916) (Image)
51. The Floorwalker (Mutuals, 15. mai 1916) (Image)

Delta Volume 8:
52. The Fireman (Mutuals, 12. juni 1916) (Image)
53. The Vagabond (Mutuals, 10. juli 1916) (Image)
54. One A.M. (Mutuals, 7. aug. 1916) (Image)
55. The Count (Mutuals, 4. sep. 1916) (Image)
56. The Pawn Shop (Mutuals, 2. okt. 1916) (Image)

Delta Volume 9:
57. Behind The Screen (Mutuals, 13. nov. 1916) (Image)
58. The Rink (Mutuals, 4. des. 1916) (Image)
59. Easy Street (Mutuals, 22. jan. 1917) (Image)
60. The Cure (Mutuals, 16. apr. 1917) (Image)
61. The Immigrant (Mutuals, 17. juni 1917) (Image)

Delta Volume 10:
50. Triple Trouble (Essanay, 11. aug. 1918) (Image)
62. The Adventurer (Mutuals, 23. okt. 1917) (Image)
64. Shoulder Arms (First Na., 20. okt. 1918) (Image)
65. The Bond (First Na., 16. des. 1918)

Delta Volume 11:
66. Sunnyside (First Na., 15. juni 1919) (Image)
67. A Day’s Pleasure (First Na., 15. des. 1919) (Image)
68. The Kid (First Na., 6. feb. 1921) (Image)

Delta Volume 12:
Charlie Chaplin - His life & work

Keystones NOT on the Delta discs:
10. Mabel At The Wheel (Hot Finish) (Keystone, 18. apr. 1914)
13. Caught In The Rain (Keystone, 4. mai 1914)
16. Her Friend The Bandit (Keystone, 4. juni 1914) (Lost!)
18. Mabel’s Busy Day (Keystone, 13. juni 1914)
21. The Property Man (Keystone, 1. aug. 1914)
30. Gentlemen Of Nerve (Keystone, 29. okt. 1914)
32. His Trysting Place (Keystone, 9. nov. 1914)
33. Tillie’s Punctured Romance
(Keystone, 14. nov. 1914) (Image)
35. His Prehistoric Past (Keystone, 7. des. 1914)
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