In article <1183828216.283708.182330.DeleteThis@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
MWeber <webersound.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I had been stalling purchasing until the new machines showed
> themselves and proved worthy. I had also experienced Deva II and had
> not physically seen a Cantar so I trusted my sales buddy and bought a
> Deva II on the day before the 90% offer expired.
Did you ever use your Deva II or did you just purchase it sort of like
insurance or a discount coupon or what? How long did you have your Deva
II? In hindsight, unless you had a pressing need to have either the Deva
II or the new model, Deva IV/V, you should have just waited. The Cantar
did take quite a long time to become available from the time it was
announced, and then when it did arrive, there were promised features
that did not yet work. Either way, if you seriously thought you wanted a
Cantar, with or without all the features promised and ZERO track record
in the field, you should have waited.
>
> Now having experienced a Cantar I must say that Cantar has exquisite
> design and well crafted machining. It is a sealed unit and
> ergonomically flawless.
I thought English was your first language --- the use of the word
"flawless" seems to be a little inappropriate. I have used the Cantar
and I would hardly refer to the ergonomics and user interface as
flawless.
>As someone pointed out to me, Deva is just an
> aluminum box with holes punched for the buttons and things.
You needed this pointed out to you? I believe most of the machines
utilize aluminum (except possibly the low cost plastic FR-2) and ALL of
them have "buttons and things" --- even the Cantar.
> If I had purchased an original Cantar it would still be operational,
> constantly upgraded and current today.
You obviously have not spoken with many of the people who use their Deva
every day. My Deva is still quite operational, has had many upgrades and
features added since the time of purchase, and is definitely current.
>Cantar has already implemented
> several of the missing features Deva promised plus it offers
> additional benefits to today's workflow such as the ability to edit
> and print out sound logs which is only one feature that comes to mind.
>
> Look at this track record;
> Deva II discontinued
The Deva II is a 10 year old machine, hardly current (although still in
use all over the world)
> Cameo discontinued
The demand for Cameo was not great and Zaxcom decided to retire that
product --- what's the big deal (Fostex retired the PD-2, not soon
enough in my mind, but moved on to produce other useful products)
> Deva III never released
As pointed out, Deva III was proposed but never even built --- you're
not going to tell me you got burned also waiting to get a discount on
the Deva III
> Deva IV discontinued
> Deva V discontinued
Deva IV and V have been discontinued in favor of new models, the Deva
5.8 and Deva 16. Both the IV and V are still fully supported, run the
same software as the new models, and are in no way rendered any less
useful by the introduction of new models
> Mix 12 never made sense to me because it relied upon Deva
> mic-
> pres.
So, the MIX 12 doesn't make any sense to you... you're only one person
and your opinion hardly constitutes a mention here under your statements
about Zaxcom's track record. The MIX 12 is not for me either but I would
never consider it a dead product just because I don't want one.
>
> Deva V was supposed to be the last step in development after the
> FAT16/ FAT32 step and be infinitely upgradeable for the life of the product.
> IT HAS ONLY BEEN 5 YEARS!
First of all, who said anything about the "last step" in development. I
certainly would not want any company producing a software driven product
as complex as any of the file based recorders we use to announce that
all development has stopped as of this date. As you well know, we use
this equipment in a very dynamic business that is constantly changing
--- would you want Aaton to say they are finished with all development?
It is quite apparent that the Deva IV/V and now the Deva 5.8/16 models
will continue to evolve, maybe not "infinitely" as you seem to wish they
would, and will continue to be one of the best, if not the best, file
based recorders available to us.
Regards, Jeff Wexler
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