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Billy Sarokin

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:08 am
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There was a thread on the Deva group with some pertinent info that
I'll pass on here if anyone is in the same boat. A few people were
complaining about noisy mic pres while others were saying that their
mic pres sounded great. Then a suggestion was made to check the 48v
phantom power (using a volt meter accross pins 2 and 3). Sure enough,
the people who had the problem were seeing low voltage. It looks like
there were some bad phantom power boards (or boards that blew after
the fact). I was wondering why there were wild discrepencies in
reports about how the Deva mic inputs sounded. This is the cause. I
don't know how prevelent it was. There were 3 reports on the Deva
group (out of hundreds of units out there).
Best,
Billy Sarokin

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Richard Crowley

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:31 am
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"Billy Sarokin" wrote ...
> There was a thread on the Deva group with some pertinent info that
> I'll pass on here if anyone is in the same boat. A few people were
> complaining about noisy mic pres while others were saying that their
> mic pres sounded great. Then a suggestion was made to check the 48v
> phantom power (using a volt meter accross pins 2 and 3). Sure enough,
> the people who had the problem were seeing low voltage. It looks like
> there were some bad phantom power boards (or boards that blew after
> the fact). I was wondering why there were wild discrepencies in
> reports about how the Deva mic inputs sounded. This is the cause. I
> don't know how prevelent it was. There were 3 reports on the Deva
> group (out of hundreds of units out there).

Perhaps you didn't mean "across pins 2 and 3"?
Conventional P48 should show zero volts between
pins 2 and 3, but 48V from 2 to 1 and from 3 to 1.

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MWeber

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:22 am
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I must beg to slightly differ. Why has it taken 5 years for this
revelation to become suddenly significant? Many of us Deva owners
quickly recognized that Deva did not provide enough phantom supply but
the problems did not end there.
In my qualitative opinion Deva mic pre-amps demonstrated significant
audio incoherence with both phantom powered mics and also with
Lectrosonics radio mics where there would be no phantom power.
Consider the track record of Zaxcom who defended audio distortion in
Deva above 11KHZ as insignificant, their low input impedance fiasco
which I seem to recall they patched with some add-on resistors, non-
standard timecode counting practices which appears to have prevented
proper external timecode recognition and introduced significant
ongoing errors (thank you Deneke for taking the time to test and
explain this to me, it took me 6 months to get Zaxcom to even
acknowledge that there might be problems), NP1 battery compartments
that could not release internal batteries, non-standard multi-pin
assignments and then the list of significant missing features promised
for Deva which are never to be spoken of in the halls of Zaxcom
because Deva will probably never have those features.
Well I'm glad the hear there are only 2 or 3 of us with this simple
problem!

Mark Weber C.A.S.
Sound Specialist Inc.
Miami, Florida
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Billy Sarokin

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:17 am
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Somehow I haven't experienced any of those problems with any of my 3
Deva recorders. Me and all the other Deva owners I know must be
extremely lucky (well... except the battery case on the Deva 2 wasn't
the best... but then again it's not like there were a hundred other
machines to choose from back then). I'm not sure what you mean when
you say 'Deva did not provide enough Phantom supply'. Except for the
faulty boards mentioned in my original post the Deva supplies 48v with
enough current to power every mic I can find to plug into it. It's
funny, you didn't mention any of these problems when you posted your
Deva for sale. Selling a machine with 'audio incoherence'... you
should be ashamed.

Billy


On Oct 3, 11:22 am, MWeber <weberso... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> I must beg to slightly differ. Why has it taken 5 years for this
> revelation to become suddenly significant? Many of us Deva owners
> quickly recognized that Deva did not provide enough phantom supply but
> the problems did not end there.
> In my qualitative opinion Deva mic pre-amps demonstrated significant
> audio incoherence with both phantom powered mics and also with
> Lectrosonics radio mics where there would be no phantom power.
> Consider the track record of Zaxcom who defended audio distortion in
> Deva above 11KHZ as insignificant, their low input impedance fiasco
> which I seem to recall they patched with some add-on resistors, non-
> standard timecode counting practices which appears to have prevented
> proper external timecode recognition and introduced significant
> ongoing errors (thank you Deneke for taking the time to test and
> explain this to me, it took me 6 months to get Zaxcom to even
> acknowledge that there might be problems), NP1 battery compartments
> that could not release internal batteries, non-standard multi-pin
> assignments and then the list of significant missing features promised
> for Deva which are never to be spoken of in the halls of Zaxcom
> because Deva will probably never have those features.
> Well I'm glad the hear there are only 2 or 3 of us with this simple
> problem!
>
> Mark Weber C.A.S.
> Sound Specialist Inc.
> Miami, Florida
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Jeff Wexler

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:45 am
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In article <1191482239.429596.164600 DeleteThis @50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
Billy Sarokin <bigmaho DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:

>Selling a machine with 'audio incoherence'... you
> should be ashamed.
>
> Billy

Billy you are so right about how lucky we have been. My entire career I
have been plagued with this "audio incoherence" thing... I think my
Nagra III had it too. Thankfully I have not had the problem on any of
the 18 feature films I have done with the Deva.

Regards, Jeff Wexler
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