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bigsilentfan

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:20 pm
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I watched this film awhile back and frankly became confused mostly
because I did not know who was who. Character names are not mentioned
in the opening intertitle cards. Because of this, I didn't really
appreciate this film on my first viewing.
Recently, I began a careful review of this story, attempting to sort
out whose who and determine exactly what the film is about. I'm only
30 minutes into this nearly two hour film and have discovered that this
is really a masterpiece, in many ways equal to so many other German
classics. I'm making detailed notes that I plan to use in a review.
If you have an understanding of this film, or would like to
understand better this Pabst's film, let me know if you'd like to
discuss the details. I expect to complete the film in the next ten
days.


Rich Wagner

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:51 am
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bigsilentfan RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:
> I watched this film awhile back and frankly became confused mostly
> because I did not know who was who. Character names are not mentioned
> in the opening intertitle cards. Because of this, I didn't really
> appreciate this film on my first viewing.
> Recently, I began a careful review of this story, attempting to sort
> out whose who and determine exactly what the film is about. I'm only
> 30 minutes into this nearly two hour film and have discovered that this
> is really a masterpiece, in many ways equal to so many other German
> classics. I'm making detailed notes that I plan to use in a review.

I recently saw this too, and I only found one relationship confusing --
the older woman in the pharmacist's household. It's easy to take her
for being the pharmacist's wife, but then he marries someone else while
she's still about. The imdb gives her character as "Aunt Frieda," so
she could either be the pharmacist's sister, or the sister of the
(presumably dead) pharmacists wife (the mother of Thymian). Of course,
the imdb also spells Thymian (on the Kino video) as Thymiane, and gives
the woman in the institution the name "the director's wife" when she's
only called "Margaret" in the Kino version of the film. The imbd may,
of course, be using titles from a different translation, the script, or
from the original novel.

But I also think that the titles might be incorrectly translated. It
looked to me as though three characters are named Erika -- Thymian's
baby daughter (when she asks for her after her escape), Thymian's
friend at the workhouse, and the bordello madam. I'd have to watch it
again to make sure, and it may just be unclear titles.

Of course, the film is based on a novel, and finding the novel would
presumably clear everything up. I'm curious whether the German
intertitles are as confusing. I think that translaters have to not only
think "is this a close translation of the original," but also "does the
storyline of the film make sense with these titles?" There are some
foreign films that could use not only a translator but also someone
with some script-writing talent.

Rodney Sauer
Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra
www.mont-alto.com

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:36 pm
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Thanks for posting Rodney,
Someone like yourself who provides live music for silents certainly
must dissect each and every action of the film you are accompanying.
I'm doing something like that and I'm taking the time to write a
detailed review of everything that occurs, dividing it into scenes,
fade to black, etc. Undoubtedly, this is still not as detailed a study
as a composer of music would be required to do.
The more I study the detail of all the action in this story, the
more alive it becomes to me. Like you said, it can be inferred that
the woman seen in the very beginning is Aunt Frieda even if the film
does not introduce her. In addition, the group that gathers for
Thymian's Confirmation celebration is obviously mostly family since
they also gather to discuss what to do about Thymian's child later on.

Because this is a silent film and characters are seen only briefly
and then in different clothing later on, it takes a really good memory
not to loose track of who's who when the names are not mentioned in
intertitles. I also had some problems with pronunciation of Thymian,
but I found someone fluent in German to help.
I've already written about ten pages of notes and I've only seen
about 45 minutes of the story so far. Watching a film this closely,
there so much more to see than just watching the film. The effort is
certainly rewarding, and that's why I wondered if anyone would like to
share thoughts on this after I'm done. I've done similar studies on
"Les Vampires" and others to better understand the complete story.

Rich Wagner
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