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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:48 pm
Post subject: Digital Wireless without Delay
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:48 pm
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Digital Wireless without Delay
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2004, 6:48pm
(EST+6) From: Flits!@Flits!.com (Rob€rto)
In the presentation Aaton's JP made on the Gotham day, he mentioned the
fact that a German Wireless Mfg ( that must be Sennheiser ? ) will come
up with a Digital wireless that has *no* delay.
Now, not all of us think that 3 ms delay is that fantastic, so does
anyone know more ?
Roberto<<<<<<<<<<
I remember I heard numbers like 2 or 3 micro seconds instead of milli
seconds. OTOH I could be thinking of those numbers used in a different
context/presentation.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:43 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:43 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:04 am
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b3RoZXIgcHJvY2Vzc2luZy4NCj4gDQo+IEdsZW5u >> Stay informed about: Digital Wireless without Delay |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:54 am
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Re: Digital Wireless without Delay
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2004, 3:32pm
(EST-3) From: gs.TakeThisOut@zaxcom.com (Glenn Sanders)
JP is mistaken. There is no such thing. It is impossible. All digital
wireless will have delay due to the delay of the A-D converter in the
transmitter and other processing.
Glenn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ok, I'll buy the concept that zero delay is impossible but if JP's
numbers of 2-3 micro seconds are correct I would think that it's a great
reduction in latency compared to 3 milli seconds. BTW how much/fast is 3
micro seconds compared to 3 milli seconds?
Eric
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:54 am
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A thousand times faster. Seems hard to do, but it surprises me that
Glenn is the one saying something is impossible. Every Zaxcom
announcement so far has come with that warning and yet the products keep
changing the definition of the possible.
In article <22052-4017DB2D-17 DeleteThis @storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>,
Audioetc DeleteThis @webtv.net (Eric Toline) wrote:
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> Re: Digital Wireless without Delay
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> Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2004, 3:32pm
> (EST-3) From: gs DeleteThis @zaxcom.com (Glenn Sanders)
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> JP is mistaken. There is no such thing. It is impossible. All digital
> wireless will have delay due to the delay of the A-D converter in the
> transmitter and other processing.
> Glenn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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> Ok, I'll buy the concept that zero delay is impossible but if JP's
> numbers of 2-3 micro seconds are correct I would think that it's a great
> reduction in latency compared to 3 milli seconds. BTW how much/fast is 3
> micro seconds compared to 3 milli seconds?
>
> Eric
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> "Save The Sync, Ban MOS"
> >> Stay informed about: Digital Wireless without Delay |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:08 pm
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I've been using a combination of Zaxcom Digital wireless and Audio Ltd
Analog wireless for about 2 years. While I have the Cameo board with a
delay function available, I rarely use it. For most practical purposes the
delay is a non-issue for me. BUT, if anyone can design a fully digital
wireless with the quality of the Zaxcom's (or better) and no delay they'd
get my attention. I wouldn't hold my breath though. No one has announced
such a product yet and as we've been seeing on RAMPS it's often a 2 year
delay from announcement to appearance. But let the games begin....
Billy >> Stay informed about: Digital Wireless without Delay |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:35 pm
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Eric Toline wrote:
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>Re: Digital Wireless without Delay
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>Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2004, 3:32pm
>(EST-3) From: gs.TakeThisOut@zaxcom.com (Glenn Sanders)
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>JP is mistaken. There is no such thing. It is impossible. All digital
>wireless will have delay due to the delay of the A-D converter in the
>transmitter and other processing.
>Glenn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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>Ok, I'll buy the concept that zero delay is impossible but if JP's
>numbers of 2-3 micro seconds are correct I would think that it's a great
>reduction in latency compared to 3 milli seconds. BTW how much/fast is 3
>micro seconds compared to 3 milli seconds?
>
>Eric
>
>"Save The Sync, Ban MOS"
> Didn't JP Beauviala say 20 to 30 Microseconds FWIW?
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Regards,
Jim Rillie >> Stay informed about: Digital Wireless without Delay |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:08 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:13 am
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HaHa..HeHe...;>)
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"Peter" <pkurland.DeleteThis@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:pkurland-5EFB71.10233728012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com...
> A thousand times faster. Seems hard to do, but it surprises me that
> Glenn is the one saying something is impossible. Every Zaxcom
> announcement so far has come with that warning and yet the products keep
> changing the definition of the possible.
>
> In article <22052-4017DB2D-17.DeleteThis@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>,
> Audioetc.DeleteThis@webtv.net (Eric Toline) wrote:
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> >
> > Re: Digital Wireless without Delay
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> > Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2004, 3:32pm
> > (EST-3) From: gs.DeleteThis@zaxcom.com (Glenn Sanders)
> >
> > JP is mistaken. There is no such thing. It is impossible. All digital
> > wireless will have delay due to the delay of the A-D converter in the
> > transmitter and other processing.
> > Glenn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > Ok, I'll buy the concept that zero delay is impossible but if JP's
> > numbers of 2-3 micro seconds are correct I would think that it's a great
> > reduction in latency compared to 3 milli seconds. BTW how much/fast is 3
> > micro seconds compared to 3 milli seconds?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > "Save The Sync, Ban MOS"
> > >> Stay informed about: Digital Wireless without Delay |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:20 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:31 am
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> Ok, I'll buy the concept that zero delay is impossible but if JP's
> numbers of 2-3 micro seconds are correct I would think that it's a great
> reduction in latency compared to 3 milli seconds.
2-3 micro seconds is also not possible. It might be possible to get it
down to 1 ms with the right technology.
Best wishes,
Glenn >> Stay informed about: Digital Wireless without Delay |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:52 pm
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On 29 Jan 2004 10:31:17 -0800, gs.TakeThisOut@zaxcom.com (Glenn Sanders) wrote:
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>> Ok, I'll buy the concept that zero delay is impossible but if JP's
>> numbers of 2-3 micro seconds are correct I would think that it's a great
>> reduction in latency compared to 3 milli seconds.
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>2-3 micro seconds is also not possible. It might be possible to get it
>down to 1 ms with the right technology.
And about what sample and bitrate are you talking ?
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