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By Eric Bailey, Times Staff Writer


SACRAMENTO - Nudging the history books, archeologists studying one of
two campsites used by the ill-fated Donner Party during a snowbound
Sierra winter 160 years ago announced Thursday that a study had
unearthed no physical evidence of cannibalism.

The stranded emigrants settled into two camps during the harsh winter
of 1846 and '47, and previous scientific studies confirmed cannibalism
at the principal encampment, on the east shore of what is now Donner
Lake.

The new findings do not conclusively prove that human flesh was ever
consumed at the smaller camp - where the families of George and Jacob
Donner sought refuge - but they do provide insights into their
efforts to survive during four months beside Alder Creek.

"It's possible no cannibalism took place at Alder Creek, and it's also
possible that proof simply can't be found," said Julie Schablitsky, a
University of Oregon anthropologist. "No body doesn't necessarily mean
no crime."

Cannibalism has long been the central focus of the Donner Party
tragedy, which achieved mythic proportions as a tale of suffering and
stoicism set in America's westward expansion.

The wagon train of more than 80 emigrants was trapped in the teeth of
the Sierra by winter, and half died amid starvation. Gory witness
accounts by rescuers told of survivors resorting to eating human flesh.

The results from the archeological dig there cheered a modern
descendant of the Donner family.

"It's wonderful news," said Lochie Paige, whose great-grandmother,
Elitha Donner, made it out of the Sierra alive but saw the rest of her
years shadowed by the tragedy.

"My dad always said she had not been any part of cannibalism. Now we
have the scientific proof," Paige said.

Schablitsky and her collaborator in the three-year study,
anthropologist Kelly Dixon of the University of Montana, announced
their findings during a 20-minute presentation at the Society for
Historical Archeology conference here.

They formed a team of scientists in 2003 and applied the techniques of
modern forensic crime examiners to look anew at one of the American
West's most enduring tales of tragedy.

They used DNA tests, electron microscopes and other modern research
tools to analyze more than 16,000 bone fragments - most measuring
less than a half inch - found in the principal cook fire used by the
Donner family over four months.

But they discovered no human bones.

Instead, the Donner brothers, their families and several hired hands
appear to have slowed the effects of starvation by consuming their
cattle, horses, a pet dog and by bagging wild game, such as deer,
rabbit and rodents.

"Their aversion to cannibalism is apparent," Dixon said, noting the
steps the family took to hunt food, slaughter their domestic animals
and accounts by survivors and witnesses that they ate boiled rawhide
and shoestrings.

Previous scientific studies at the lake camp confirmed cannibalism
there by unearthing human bone fragments.

But Alder Creek, now a commemorative campground about three miles north
of Truckee and bustling Interstate 80, has long been dogged by mystery
and conflicting accounts about whether cannibalism really occurred
there.

Several of the Donner family's youngest members, who made it out alive,
have long maintained that they managed to avoid cannibalism, and a
young teamster - one of the party's hired hands - who initially
suggested flesh had been eaten later changed his story.

Given those discrepancies, Dixon and Schablitsky sought to confirm the
truth.

They excavated the site during the summers of 2003 and 2004, finding
the charcoal stain they conclude was the prime cook site at Alder
Creek, where 22 pioneers began the winter. Eight of them died there.

The archeologists found scores of artifacts - broken pieces of floral
pattern cookware unique to the era, glassware, wagon hardware, steel
oxen shoes and steel buttons.

Trapped, the pioneers also appeared to have attempted to create a
semblance of normal life.

The anthropologists found pieces from a slate writing board they
suspect may have been used to tutor the children, though microscopic
examination could discern no writing.

Bone fragments had been burned and showed the signs of chop marks and
"pot polish," a microscopic sheen that appears as they tumble in the
roiling waters of a cast-iron cook pot.

The Donners, the researchers said, were cracking bone to remove marrow
and boiling the bone to extract remaining nutrients in a broth.

No DNA could be extracted, but analysis of the microscopic structure of
the bone helped researchers determine the wide range of species the
pioneers consumed to survive, Dixon said.

The absence of human bones does not mean the Donner clan did not resort
at some point to cannibalism at Alder Creek in the last few weeks
before the last survivors were rescued, Schablitsky said.

She said the most likely explanation for the absence of human bone is
that flesh and organs might have been eaten, but the bodies were not
hacked down to the bone.

After 160 years, she said, any unburned bone would have lacked the
molecular integrity to survive decomposition in the acidic Sierra soil
of the wet, pine-ringed meadow.

But if no cannibalism ever occurred there, what explains historical
accounts by rescuers who reached Alder Creek in early March and
reported seeing butchered bodies?

Schablitsky said the remains of those who died at the camp - three
teamsters; George Donner; Jacob Donner; his wife, Elizabeth; and their
two toddler sons - could have been torn apart by wild animals.

Even the freeze and thaw in the snowdrifts might have given them the
appearance of being cannibalized, she said.

"They're not medical examiners," she said. "Would they be able to tell
the difference between decomposing bodies and those that have been
cannibalized?"

While the study has "illuminated the corners of the cannibalism
question," Dixon said, the elusive absence of an ironclad answer skirts
a central focus of their research.

Their overriding mission is to revise the historical narrative,
offering a fuller account of the daily travails the pioneer families
endured during those awful four months in the snow - and to offer
some closure for modern-day ancestors who have always wondered.

"To have someone like Lochie Paige who is deeply affected by our
archeology is quiet different for us," Dixon said. "This is much more
personal for all of us."

copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times

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In a related story, scientists now believe that The Little Fellow never
actually ate a shoe.


<rfcsac627n.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1137172892.674985.78020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> By Eric Bailey, Times Staff Writer
>
>
> SACRAMENTO - Nudging the history books, archeologists studying one of
> two campsites used by the ill-fated Donner Party during a snowbound
> Sierra winter 160 years ago announced Thursday that a study had
> unearthed no physical evidence of cannibalism.
>
> The stranded emigrants settled into two camps during the harsh winter
> of 1846 and '47, and previous scientific studies confirmed cannibalism
> at the principal encampment, on the east shore of what is now Donner
> Lake.
>
> The new findings do not conclusively prove that human flesh was ever
> consumed at the smaller camp - where the families of George and Jacob
> Donner sought refuge - but they do provide insights into their
> efforts to survive during four months beside Alder Creek.
>
> "It's possible no cannibalism took place at Alder Creek, and it's also
> possible that proof simply can't be found," said Julie Schablitsky, a
> University of Oregon anthropologist. "No body doesn't necessarily mean
> no crime."
>
> Cannibalism has long been the central focus of the Donner Party
> tragedy, which achieved mythic proportions as a tale of suffering and
> stoicism set in America's westward expansion.
>
> The wagon train of more than 80 emigrants was trapped in the teeth of
> the Sierra by winter, and half died amid starvation. Gory witness
> accounts by rescuers told of survivors resorting to eating human flesh.
>
> The results from the archeological dig there cheered a modern
> descendant of the Donner family.
>
> "It's wonderful news," said Lochie Paige, whose great-grandmother,
> Elitha Donner, made it out of the Sierra alive but saw the rest of her
> years shadowed by the tragedy.
>
> "My dad always said she had not been any part of cannibalism. Now we
> have the scientific proof," Paige said.
>
> Schablitsky and her collaborator in the three-year study,
> anthropologist Kelly Dixon of the University of Montana, announced
> their findings during a 20-minute presentation at the Society for
> Historical Archeology conference here.
>
> They formed a team of scientists in 2003 and applied the techniques of
> modern forensic crime examiners to look anew at one of the American
> West's most enduring tales of tragedy.
>
> They used DNA tests, electron microscopes and other modern research
> tools to analyze more than 16,000 bone fragments - most measuring
> less than a half inch - found in the principal cook fire used by the
> Donner family over four months.
>
> But they discovered no human bones.
>
> Instead, the Donner brothers, their families and several hired hands
> appear to have slowed the effects of starvation by consuming their
> cattle, horses, a pet dog and by bagging wild game, such as deer,
> rabbit and rodents.
>
> "Their aversion to cannibalism is apparent," Dixon said, noting the
> steps the family took to hunt food, slaughter their domestic animals
> and accounts by survivors and witnesses that they ate boiled rawhide
> and shoestrings.
>
> Previous scientific studies at the lake camp confirmed cannibalism
> there by unearthing human bone fragments.
>
> But Alder Creek, now a commemorative campground about three miles north
> of Truckee and bustling Interstate 80, has long been dogged by mystery
> and conflicting accounts about whether cannibalism really occurred
> there.
>
> Several of the Donner family's youngest members, who made it out alive,
> have long maintained that they managed to avoid cannibalism, and a
> young teamster - one of the party's hired hands - who initially
> suggested flesh had been eaten later changed his story.
>
> Given those discrepancies, Dixon and Schablitsky sought to confirm the
> truth.
>
> They excavated the site during the summers of 2003 and 2004, finding
> the charcoal stain they conclude was the prime cook site at Alder
> Creek, where 22 pioneers began the winter. Eight of them died there.
>
> The archeologists found scores of artifacts - broken pieces of floral
> pattern cookware unique to the era, glassware, wagon hardware, steel
> oxen shoes and steel buttons.
>
> Trapped, the pioneers also appeared to have attempted to create a
> semblance of normal life.
>
> The anthropologists found pieces from a slate writing board they
> suspect may have been used to tutor the children, though microscopic
> examination could discern no writing.
>
> Bone fragments had been burned and showed the signs of chop marks and
> "pot polish," a microscopic sheen that appears as they tumble in the
> roiling waters of a cast-iron cook pot.
>
> The Donners, the researchers said, were cracking bone to remove marrow
> and boiling the bone to extract remaining nutrients in a broth.
>
> No DNA could be extracted, but analysis of the microscopic structure of
> the bone helped researchers determine the wide range of species the
> pioneers consumed to survive, Dixon said.
>
> The absence of human bones does not mean the Donner clan did not resort
> at some point to cannibalism at Alder Creek in the last few weeks
> before the last survivors were rescued, Schablitsky said.
>
> She said the most likely explanation for the absence of human bone is
> that flesh and organs might have been eaten, but the bodies were not
> hacked down to the bone.
>
> After 160 years, she said, any unburned bone would have lacked the
> molecular integrity to survive decomposition in the acidic Sierra soil
> of the wet, pine-ringed meadow.
>
> But if no cannibalism ever occurred there, what explains historical
> accounts by rescuers who reached Alder Creek in early March and
> reported seeing butchered bodies?
>
> Schablitsky said the remains of those who died at the camp - three
> teamsters; George Donner; Jacob Donner; his wife, Elizabeth; and their
> two toddler sons - could have been torn apart by wild animals.
>
> Even the freeze and thaw in the snowdrifts might have given them the
> appearance of being cannibalized, she said.
>
> "They're not medical examiners," she said. "Would they be able to tell
> the difference between decomposing bodies and those that have been
> cannibalized?"
>
> While the study has "illuminated the corners of the cannibalism
> question," Dixon said, the elusive absence of an ironclad answer skirts
> a central focus of their research.
>
> Their overriding mission is to revise the historical narrative,
> offering a fuller account of the daily travails the pioneer families
> endured during those awful four months in the snow - and to offer
> some closure for modern-day ancestors who have always wondered.
>
> "To have someone like Lochie Paige who is deeply affected by our
> archeology is quiet different for us," Dixon said. "This is much more
> personal for all of us."
>
> copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times
>

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Interesting, Richard. Thanks for posting.

At least no one doubts that they ate their shoelaces.

Connie K.


(rfcsac627n@aol.com) writes:
> By Eric Bailey, Times Staff Writer
>
>
> SACRAMENTO - Nudging the history books, archeologists studying one of
> two campsites used by the ill-fated Donner Party during a snowbound
> Sierra winter 160 years ago announced Thursday that a study had
> unearthed no physical evidence of cannibalism.
>
> The stranded emigrants settled into two camps during the harsh winter
> of 1846 and '47, and previous scientific studies confirmed cannibalism
> at the principal encampment, on the east shore of what is now Donner
> Lake.
>
> The new findings do not conclusively prove that human flesh was ever
> consumed at the smaller camp - where the families of George and Jacob
> Donner sought refuge - but they do provide insights into their
> efforts to survive during four months beside Alder Creek.
>
> "It's possible no cannibalism took place at Alder Creek, and it's also
> possible that proof simply can't be found," said Julie Schablitsky, a
> University of Oregon anthropologist. "No body doesn't necessarily mean
> no crime."
>
> Cannibalism has long been the central focus of the Donner Party
> tragedy, which achieved mythic proportions as a tale of suffering and
> stoicism set in America's westward expansion.
>
> The wagon train of more than 80 emigrants was trapped in the teeth of
> the Sierra by winter, and half died amid starvation. Gory witness
> accounts by rescuers told of survivors resorting to eating human flesh.
>
> The results from the archeological dig there cheered a modern
> descendant of the Donner family.
>
> "It's wonderful news," said Lochie Paige, whose great-grandmother,
> Elitha Donner, made it out of the Sierra alive but saw the rest of her
> years shadowed by the tragedy.
>
> "My dad always said she had not been any part of cannibalism. Now we
> have the scientific proof," Paige said.
>
> Schablitsky and her collaborator in the three-year study,
> anthropologist Kelly Dixon of the University of Montana, announced
> their findings during a 20-minute presentation at the Society for
> Historical Archeology conference here.
>
> They formed a team of scientists in 2003 and applied the techniques of
> modern forensic crime examiners to look anew at one of the American
> West's most enduring tales of tragedy.
>
> They used DNA tests, electron microscopes and other modern research
> tools to analyze more than 16,000 bone fragments - most measuring
> less than a half inch - found in the principal cook fire used by the
> Donner family over four months.
>
> But they discovered no human bones.
>
> Instead, the Donner brothers, their families and several hired hands
> appear to have slowed the effects of starvation by consuming their
> cattle, horses, a pet dog and by bagging wild game, such as deer,
> rabbit and rodents.
>
> "Their aversion to cannibalism is apparent," Dixon said, noting the
> steps the family took to hunt food, slaughter their domestic animals
> and accounts by survivors and witnesses that they ate boiled rawhide
> and shoestrings.
>
> Previous scientific studies at the lake camp confirmed cannibalism
> there by unearthing human bone fragments.
>
> But Alder Creek, now a commemorative campground about three miles north
> of Truckee and bustling Interstate 80, has long been dogged by mystery
> and conflicting accounts about whether cannibalism really occurred
> there.
>
> Several of the Donner family's youngest members, who made it out alive,
> have long maintained that they managed to avoid cannibalism, and a
> young teamster - one of the party's hired hands - who initially
> suggested flesh had been eaten later changed his story.
>
> Given those discrepancies, Dixon and Schablitsky sought to confirm the
> truth.
>
> They excavated the site during the summers of 2003 and 2004, finding
> the charcoal stain they conclude was the prime cook site at Alder
> Creek, where 22 pioneers began the winter. Eight of them died there.
>
> The archeologists found scores of artifacts - broken pieces of floral
> pattern cookware unique to the era, glassware, wagon hardware, steel
> oxen shoes and steel buttons.
>
> Trapped, the pioneers also appeared to have attempted to create a
> semblance of normal life.
>
> The anthropologists found pieces from a slate writing board they
> suspect may have been used to tutor the children, though microscopic
> examination could discern no writing.
>
> Bone fragments had been burned and showed the signs of chop marks and
> "pot polish," a microscopic sheen that appears as they tumble in the
> roiling waters of a cast-iron cook pot.
>
> The Donners, the researchers said, were cracking bone to remove marrow
> and boiling the bone to extract remaining nutrients in a broth.
>
> No DNA could be extracted, but analysis of the microscopic structure of
> the bone helped researchers determine the wide range of species the
> pioneers consumed to survive, Dixon said.
>
> The absence of human bones does not mean the Donner clan did not resort
> at some point to cannibalism at Alder Creek in the last few weeks
> before the last survivors were rescued, Schablitsky said.
>
> She said the most likely explanation for the absence of human bone is
> that flesh and organs might have been eaten, but the bodies were not
> hacked down to the bone.
>
> After 160 years, she said, any unburned bone would have lacked the
> molecular integrity to survive decomposition in the acidic Sierra soil
> of the wet, pine-ringed meadow.
>
> But if no cannibalism ever occurred there, what explains historical
> accounts by rescuers who reached Alder Creek in early March and
> reported seeing butchered bodies?
>
> Schablitsky said the remains of those who died at the camp - three
> teamsters; George Donner; Jacob Donner; his wife, Elizabeth; and their
> two toddler sons - could have been torn apart by wild animals.
>
> Even the freeze and thaw in the snowdrifts might have given them the
> appearance of being cannibalized, she said.
>
> "They're not medical examiners," she said. "Would they be able to tell
> the difference between decomposing bodies and those that have been
> cannibalized?"
>
> While the study has "illuminated the corners of the cannibalism
> question," Dixon said, the elusive absence of an ironclad answer skirts
> a central focus of their research.
>
> Their overriding mission is to revise the historical narrative,
> offering a fuller account of the daily travails the pioneer families
> endured during those awful four months in the snow - and to offer
> some closure for modern-day ancestors who have always wondered.
>
> "To have someone like Lochie Paige who is deeply affected by our
> archeology is quiet different for us," Dixon said. "This is much more
> personal for all of us."
>
> copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times
>
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