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Feuillade

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:45 am
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Okay, I admit: I don't go to the official Chaplin website very often.

But I did recently just out of curiosity.

And saw a few interesting things. Anomalies, you might say.

For example: the home page shows a picture of Chaplin as a convict,
presumably either from "The Adventurer" or "The Pilgrim." Beneath the
picture it says:

Surname: Chaplin
Name: Charlie
Profession: Cinema's first genius

Hello? I felt like saying. Haven't you people heard of D.W. Griffith
in Vevey?

Not even Chaplin himself would ever have claimed he was cinema's
*first* genius.

Then I went to the page devoted to "The Chaplin Revue."

This is what it says:

"In 1959 Chaplin reissued A Dog's Life and Shoulder Arms, slightly
re-edited, in his omnibus film, The Chaplin Revue."

*Slightly"???

That's a little like saying, "Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did
you like the play?"

And this is by David Robinson, who should know better.

When it comes to City Lights, Robinson writes this of Virginia Cherill:

"Their collaboration was not easy. Virginia was the only actress with
whom Chaplin failed to establish personal sympathy."

Anyone have a clue what "personal sympathy" is a euphemism for?

Tom Moran

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Feuillade

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:16 pm
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James Neibaur wrote:

> Feuillade 3/4/06 5:08 PM

>>> I've never been sure about Myrna Kennedy.

>> Lita was sure enough to include it in the divorce complaint, wasn't
>> she?

>> The story I've always heard was that Lita insisted on Myrna (her best
>> friend) playing the lead in "The Circus" because she thought she could
>> trust her not to sleep with her husband -- and she did anyway.

> Merna

> Sorry, but it's the little things that bother me.

You're quite right.

My apologies.

Tom Moran

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Constance Kuriyama

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:18 pm
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"Feuillade" (Feuillade@aol.com) writes:
> Okay, I admit: I don't go to the official Chaplin website very often.
>
> But I did recently just out of curiosity.
>
> And saw a few interesting things. Anomalies, you might say.
>
> For example: the home page shows a picture of Chaplin as a convict,
> presumably either from "The Adventurer" or "The Pilgrim." Beneath the
> picture it says:
>
> Surname: Chaplin
> Name: Charlie
> Profession: Cinema's first genius
>
> Hello? I felt like saying. Haven't you people heard of D.W. Griffith
> in Vevey?
>
> Not even Chaplin himself would ever have claimed he was cinema's
> *first* genius.


On his more modest days Chaplin might deny that he was a genius at
all.

It was Shaw who pronounced Chaplin "the first genius that the cinema
has produced." Evidently Shaw was not overwhelmed by Griffith, and I
can guess why. Neither am I, though I am aware of what Griffith
accomplished. And so was Chaplin.


> Then I went to the page devoted to "The Chaplin Revue."
>
> This is what it says:
>
> "In 1959 Chaplin reissued A Dog's Life and Shoulder Arms, slightly
> re-edited, in his omnibus film, The Chaplin Revue."
>
> *Slightly"???
>
> That's a little like saying, "Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did
> you like the play?"
>
> And this is by David Robinson, who should know better.

Robinson may be thinking of what Chaplin did to the footage he
had left,

> When it comes to City Lights, Robinson writes this of Virginia Cherill:
>
> "Their collaboration was not easy. Virginia was the only actress with
> whom Chaplin failed to establish personal sympathy."
>
> Anyone have a clue what "personal sympathy" is a euphemism for?
>
> Tom Moran

Robinson is forgetting about the actress who played Jean's mother
in _A Woman of Paris_, who gave Chaplin fits.

There were other actresses whom he worked well with in a purely
professional way. Georgia Hale is a notable example. He didn't
develop a personal relationship with her until after he made _The
Gold Rush_, at least according to Georgia. Then there are Marie
Dressler, Phyllis Allen (whom he definitely enjoyed working with),
Charlotte Mineaux, etc.

I've never been sure about Myrna Kennedy. I don't detect much
chemistry between her and Chaplin in _The Circus_. At least in
_City Lights_ Chaplin could convince himself that Virginia was
the flower girl while they were on camera.

As for _Modern Times_, his interest in Paulette is evident every
moment she's on screen--in the way she's photographed as well as
in their scenes together. And who can complain? She was drop-dead
gorgeous.

Connie K.
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James Neibaur

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:35 am
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Feuillade 3/4/06 5:08 PM

>> I've never been sure about Myrna Kennedy.
>
> Lita was sure enough to include it in the divorce complaint, wasn't
> she?
>
> The story I've always heard was that Lita insisted on Myrna (her best
> friend) playing the lead in "The Circus" because she thought she could
> trust her not to sleep with her husband -- and she did anyway.

Merna

Sorry, but it's the little things that bother me.

JN
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Feuillade

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:27 am
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James Neibaur wrote:

> Feuillade 3/5/06 11:28 AM

>> Marie Dressler wasn't exactly Chaplin's type.

> I was thinking that if we count Marie, we must count Henry Bergman in The
> Rink.

I don't think Henry counts.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:20 pm
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Feuillade 3/5/06 11:28 AM

> Marie Dressler wasn't exactly Chaplin's type.

I was thinking that if we count Marie, we must count Henry Bergman in The
Rink.

JN
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Constance Kuriyama

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:40 pm
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James Neibaur (jneibaur@wi.rr.com) writes:
> Feuillade 3/4/06 5:08 PM
>
>>> I've never been sure about Myrna Kennedy.
>>
>> Lita was sure enough to include it in the divorce complaint, wasn't
>> she?
>>
>> The story I've always heard was that Lita insisted on Myrna (her best
>> friend) playing the lead in "The Circus" because she thought she could
>> trust her not to sleep with her husband -- and she did anyway.
>
> Merna
>
> Sorry, but it's the little things that bother me.
>
> JN
>

Yeah, it bothers me too. That's why I keep forgetting how to spell it. ;-)

Connie K.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:07 am
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Feuillade wrote:

> 1915-1923: Edna (nailed her)
> 1925: The Gold Rush: Georgia Hale (nailed her)
> 1928: The Circus: Merna Kennedy (nailed her)
> 1931: City Lights: Virginia Cherrill (didn't nail her)
> 1936: Modern Times: Paulette Goddard (nailed her)
> 1940: The Great Dictator: Paulette Goddard (nailed her)


It's said that he had a relationship with Peggy Pearce (his co-star
in HIS FAVORITE PASTIME), and tried to have one with Mabel Normand. He
also had a relationship with Joan Barry, who at one point would've
starred in the aborted SHADOW AND SUBSTANCE project.

Like John Barrymore and William S. Hart, Chaplin seems to have been
one of those screen actors who frequently fell in love (or just into
bed) with his leading ladies.



--Shush--
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:51 am
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But remember that Georgia Hale always claimed, preposterously, that she
and CC never did it. I just re-read her book and she bends over
backwards to make it seem she and Charlie were just "good chums."

Anyway, I stand by my guns: the CC website is claiming that Virginia
Cherrill is the other leading lady he didn't nail. They're wrong. They
don't make any qualifying statements about "post Oona" or "pre Oona"
and Bloom and Dresler weren't nailable or nailed by Charlie. Though I
suspect Claire would have been easily persuaded had CC not been
monogamous by that time.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:20 pm
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"Shush" (shushfilmseznospam@yahoo.com) writes:
> Feuillade wrote:
>
>> 1915-1923: Edna (nailed her)
>> 1925: The Gold Rush: Georgia Hale (nailed her)
>> 1928: The Circus: Merna Kennedy (nailed her)
>> 1931: City Lights: Virginia Cherrill (didn't nail her)
>> 1936: Modern Times: Paulette Goddard (nailed her)
>> 1940: The Great Dictator: Paulette Goddard (nailed her)
>
>
> It's said that he had a relationship with Peggy Pearce (his co-star
> in HIS FAVORITE PASTIME), and tried to have one with Mabel Normand. He
> also had a relationship with Joan Barry, who at one point would've
> starred in the aborted SHADOW AND SUBSTANCE project.
>
> Like John Barrymore and William S. Hart, Chaplin seems to have been
> one of those screen actors who frequently fell in love (or just into
> bed) with his leading ladies.
>
>
>
> --Shush--

He dated Peggy, but according to Robinson and Chaplin (I believe) she
wasn't bedable. So he may have tried with almost all of them, but didn't
always succeed.

As for Barry, just about everyone seems to have had her, so that was no
great accomplishment, though it was a sign of seriously bad judgment.

Connie K.
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