Not 1 EMP in ZION?

Yeah finals are up. She couldn't use the emp because there's only 1
equipped with every ship. And in order to use it, she'd have to stop the
hovercraft first else it would damage her ship as well. As well, I think
she has plans to use the emp in Zion rather than in the tunnels where
there aren't as many squids as there were in Zion. I understand that if
she used the emp in Zion then she would damage all the controls in Zion
which would make them defenceless. But since it was known ahead of time
that the machines would be able to drill into Zion, couldn't they have
arranged something together like shutting down as much of their electronic
equipments ahead of time? It didn't just happen all of a sudden you know.
They had at least a couple of months to plan for it. And all their
preparations were done kind of shabby. I think I would be wiser to get
some emps ready, charge it one at a time and just turn off all electronics
for when the machines are in Zion. I mean, it doesn't help much even if
the humans electronics were on.

Thank you,

John Young

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Steve Lee wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:15:26 -0700, John Young
> <jfyoung.RemoveThis@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>
> >I understand the movie very well I would say. But I don't understand why
> >there is not a single emp in all of ZION. They had to wait till Niomi
> >charges back in to use the one on the ship to kill off all the squids. I
> >mean, since EMP is the only weapon against the machines then why are they
> >so scarce?
>
> All very good points from having made some keen observations. I never
> questioned that before.
>
> What I found perplexing also was, just as the squids are machines, so
> are the hovercrafts and the various machinery contained within it,
> such as the computers and etc. Then, how is it that it's presented in
> The Matrix 1 as though the EMP only disables the squids and not the
> ship from which it's emitted? Morpheus did say that EMP is the only
> weapon we have against it, but never about the his ship being affected
> by it at all.
>
> > As well, another very interesting thing about Revolution is
> >that there are actually weapons on the ships. When I saw those machine
> >guys on the ship I was thinking...I remember in the first Matrix, the
> >first one, Morpheus clearly stated EMP is the only weapon on the ship that
> >they have against the squids. But in Revolution they have at least 4 sets
> >of built in machine guns on the hovercraft, which I find very weird and
> >doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
> Also, was there a reason Niomi couldn't use the EMP as she was racing
> through the intricate tunnels ladened with obstacles to get to Zion
> while being chased by so many of those squids? If there was, I
> must've missed it. I did have to take a short washroom break during
> the movie. I knew I shouldn't have gone for the large pop.
>
> Oh, btw, John, Class of 2001 here :-) Brought back some memories when
> I saw "gpu.srv". The finals are just around the corner, eh? Have
> fun!
>
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:15:26 -0700, John Young
<jfyoung RemoveThis @gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:

>I understand the movie very well I would say. But I don't understand why
>there is not a single emp in all of ZION. They had to wait till Niomi
>charges back in to use the one on the ship to kill off all the squids. I
>mean, since EMP is the only weapon against the machines then why are they
>so scarce?

All very good points from having made some keen observations. I never
questioned that before.

What I found perplexing also was, just as the squids are machines, so
are the hovercrafts and the various machinery contained within it,
such as the computers and etc. Then, how is it that it's presented in
The Matrix 1 as though the EMP only disables the squids and not the
ship from which it's emitted? Morpheus did say that EMP is the only
weapon we have against it, but never about the his ship being affected
by it at all.

> As well, another very interesting thing about Revolution is
>that there are actually weapons on the ships. When I saw those machine
>guys on the ship I was thinking...I remember in the first Matrix, the
>first one, Morpheus clearly stated EMP is the only weapon on the ship that
>they have against the squids. But in Revolution they have at least 4 sets
>of built in machine guns on the hovercraft, which I find very weird and
>doesn't seem to make any sense.

Also, was there a reason Niomi couldn't use the EMP as she was racing
through the intricate tunnels ladened with obstacles to get to Zion
while being chased by so many of those squids? If there was, I
must've missed it. I did have to take a short washroom break during
the movie. I knew I shouldn't have gone for the large pop.

Oh, btw, John, Class of 2001 here :-) Brought back some memories when
I saw "gpu.srv". The finals are just around the corner, eh? Have
fun!
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> the EMP only disables the squids and not the
> ship from which it's emitted?

> Also, was there a reason Niomi couldn't use the
> EMP as she was racing through the intricate tunnels
> ladened with obstacles to get to Zion while being
> chased by so many of those squids?

An EMP damages active circuits. Inactive circuits are like ordinary pieces
of metal. Activing the EMP while the ship was operational would destroy the
ship's working electrical/electronic components, and the ship would
thereafter be a worthless hunk of metal.

And it's Niobe.
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"John Young" <jfyoung.RemoveThis@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.A41.4.33.0311262215100.37730-100000@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca...
> Yeah finals are up. She couldn't use the emp because there's only 1
> equipped with every ship. And in order to use it, she'd have to stop the
> hovercraft first else it would damage her ship as well. As well, I think
> she has plans to use the emp in Zion rather than in the tunnels where
> there aren't as many squids as there were in Zion. I understand that if
> she used the emp in Zion then she would damage all the controls in Zion
> which would make them defenceless. But since it was known ahead of time
> that the machines would be able to drill into Zion, couldn't they have
> arranged something together like shutting down as much of their electronic
> equipments ahead of time? It didn't just happen all of a sudden you know.
> They had at least a couple of months to plan for it. And all their
> preparations were done kind of shabby. I think I would be wiser to get
> some emps ready, charge it one at a time and just turn off all electronics
> for when the machines are in Zion. I mean, it doesn't help much even if
> the humans electronics were on.
>
>
Months?
They had less than a day from the time they found out the machines were
tunneling until the first drill breached the dock.
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In article
<Pine.A41.4.33.0311261410170.62128-100000 RemoveThis @gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca>,
John Young <jfyoung RemoveThis @gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:

> I understand the movie very well I would say. But I don't understand why
> there is not a single emp in all of ZION.

Presumably for the same reason you don't have armed nukes in Washington
to defend against intruders.

Zion relies on machines to function properly, a EMP would render them
useless, allthough in the movie they seem to recover fine from the blast.
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:37:27 -0500, "JPM III" <jpmccord DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Again, the guns are not a "weapon", they are a temporary defense mechanism.
>You can stop a few sentinels with a gun, but that does nothing against an
>army. The only real "weapon" they have "against the machines" is the EMP.
>The guns are only there to buy time. If machines are numerous enough or
>close enough to warrant using your guns, your ship is going down... so they
>aren't weapons.


Then why didnt they gun down the single sentinal in Matrix 1?
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:15:26 -0700, John Young
<jfyoung.DeleteThis@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:

>I understand the movie very well I would say. But I don't understand why
>there is not a single emp in all of ZION. They had to wait till Niomi
>charges back in to use the one on the ship to kill off all the squids. I
>mean, since EMP is the only weapon against the machines then why are they
>so scarce? As well, another very interesting thing about Revolution is
>that there are actually weapons on the ships. When I saw those machine
>guys on the ship I was thinking...I remember in the first Matrix, the
>first one, Morpheus clearly stated EMP is the only weapon on the ship that
>they have against the squids. But in Revolution they have at least 4 sets
>of built in machine guns on the hovercraft, which I find very weird and
>doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
>Thank you,
>
>John Young

Was it not said at one point that the machines were tunneling to avoid
Zion's defenses? I figured that included outlying EMPs, those that
would not incapacitate Zion's internal defenses.
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In article <Pine.A41.4.33.0311261410170.62128-100000
@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca>, jfyoung.TakeThisOut@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca says...
> I understand the movie very well I would say. But I don't understand why
> there is not a single emp in all of ZION. They had to wait till Niomi
> charges back in to use the one on the ship to kill off all the squids. I
> mean, since EMP is the only weapon against the machines then why are they
> so scarce? As well, another very interesting thing about Revolution is
> that there are actually weapons on the ships. When I saw those machine
> guys on the ship I was thinking...I remember in the first Matrix, the
> first one, Morpheus clearly stated EMP is the only weapon on the ship that
> they have against the squids. But in Revolution they have at least 4 sets
> of built in machine guns on the hovercraft, which I find very weird and
> doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
> Thank you,
>
> John Young
>
>


Simple the machines went though a totally unexpected route that bypassed
many of Zion defenses. Happens on the time in war.




--
Spend a little more time feeding the space between your ears.

16th saying of Bernard
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:30:04 GMT, Jay Bond <Blah.RemoveThis@bond.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:37:27 -0500, "JPM III" <jpmccord.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Again, the guns are not a "weapon", they are a temporary defense mechanism.
>>You can stop a few sentinels with a gun, but that does nothing against an
>>army. The only real "weapon" they have "against the machines" is the EMP.
>>The guns are only there to buy time. If machines are numerous enough or
>>close enough to warrant using your guns, your ship is going down... so they
>>aren't weapons.
>
>Then why didnt they gun down the single sentinal in Matrix 1?

Because, inexplicably, Nebuchanedzzar didn't have any guns, and yet,
the Hammer did.
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--- Jay Bond wrote:
>
> > Again, the guns are not a "weapon", they are a temporary defense
> > mechanism. You can stop a few sentinels with a gun, but that does
> > nothing against an army. The only real "weapon" they have "against the
> > machines" is the EMP. The guns are only there to buy time. If machines
> > are numerous enough or close enough to warrant using your guns, your
> > ship is going down... so they aren't weapons.
>
> Then why didnt they gun down the single sentinal in Matrix 1?

The Neb had no guns.
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--- Sandman wrote:
>
> > I understand the movie very well I would say. But I don't understand
> > why there is not a single emp in all of ZION.
>
> Presumably for the same reason you don't have armed nukes in Washington
> to defend against intruders.

Excellent point.

> Zion relies on machines to function properly, a EMP would render them
> useless, allthough in the movie they seem to recover fine from the blast.

Functioning circuits are damaged or destroyed. Others that were not in use
can be used to replace them. As the scenes suggested, it's simply a matter
of crucial time to get things up and running again.
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> Was it not said at one point that the machines were tunneling to avoid
> Zion's defenses? I figured that included outlying EMPs, those that
> would not incapacitate Zion's internal defenses.

You're probably right about that. Good point. When I watch all the movies
again this December, I'll probably incorporate many new answers to the FAQ.
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"William Travis" <thewall.RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote in message news:<vsb3etaj8img2e.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>...
> "John Young" <jfyoung.RemoveThis@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.A41.4.33.0311262215100.37730-100000@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca...
> > Yeah finals are up. She couldn't use the emp because there's only 1
> > equipped with every ship. And in order to use it, she'd have to stop the
> > hovercraft first else it would damage her ship as well. As well, I think
> > she has plans to use the emp in Zion rather than in the tunnels where
> > there aren't as many squids as there were in Zion. I understand that if
> > she used the emp in Zion then she would damage all the controls in Zion
> > which would make them defenceless. But since it was known ahead of time
> > that the machines would be able to drill into Zion, couldn't they have
> > arranged something together like shutting down as much of their electronic
> > equipments ahead of time? It didn't just happen all of a sudden you know.
> > They had at least a couple of months to plan for it. And all their
> > preparations were done kind of shabby. I think I would be wiser to get
> > some emps ready, charge it one at a time and just turn off all electronics
> > for when the machines are in Zion. I mean, it doesn't help much even if
> > the humans electronics were on.
> >
> >
> Months?
> They had less than a day from the time they found out the machines were
> tunneling until the first drill breached the dock.

I could be mistaken but I think it was 72 hours. Remember that they
found out about it at the beginning of Reloaded which I'm told
happened 72 or so hours from the end of Revolutions.
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