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"The Jazz Singer" reviewed


Sound and Fury

The Jazz Singer gave movies a voice, but the 80-year-old film hits
some wrong
notes today.

by Steve Daly
Entertainment Weekly, October 19, 2007

Why does the cover for The Jazz Singer, a three-disc paean to the
creaky 1927 Al
Jolson flick (not to be confused with a wretched 1980 remake starring
Neil
Diamond), show its leading man, arms out in a crooner's pose, only in
silhouette? Because there's an ugly stereotype under wraps here,
that's why. The
jacket soft-pedals the fact that Jolson spends a significant portion
of Jazz
Singer in blackface, masquerading as an African-American man -- that
is, as a
grotesque, degrading approximation of one. Original posters for the
movie
featured Jolson's made-up visage; hence the censored DVD image.

Jolson, of course, didn't invent blackface. He was part of a larger
pop-cultural
obsession with ethnic impersonation. Born Asa Yoelson, the Jewish
Lithuanian
entertainer blunted his own "racial" heritage (a term used freely at
the time in
discussing Jewish identity) by assuming the trappings of another. The
gimmick
helped make him a recording superstar... and pigeonholed him forever
inside an
indefensible minstrel-show tradition.

Are we supposed to celebrate The Jazz Singer unabashedly, as this DVD
set does?
Among the voluminous extras a commentary track -- a documentary on the
dawn of
"talking picture" technology, a huge, nearly four-hour sampling of
early sound
short films -- you'll find only passing, borderline-apologetic
references to
racial politics, and no one speaking from an African-American
perspective. The
movie itself, taken in context, still works provided you can get past
Jolson's
bug-eyed acting style. The plot is powerful because it's so absurdly
melodramatic: A stern Orthodox Jewish cantor (Warner Oland, who went
on to
caricature Asians in the Charlie Chan movies) wants his son, Jakie
Rabinowitz
(Jolson), to follow in his footsteps. But Jakie rebels. He leaves
home, renames
himself Jack Robin, lands a big Broadway show (that's where the
blackface comes
in), and is savagely rejected by his father. Jolson has a freaky
ability to
portray the wounds of that rejection, especially when Jack clings to
his mama
(Eugenie Besserer) as recompense. After battling his parents, Jack
suddenly
reforms, punts his Broadway opening night, and serves as a one-time-
only cantor
to honor his father's wishes as the old man lies deathly ill. It's a
four-hanky
spectacle.

Watching Jolson treat Jewish ritual as just another form of
"showmanship,"
thereby equating blackface with cantorial melodies as an expression of
a
mournful history, remains a remarkable act of ethnic drag. Still, the
sight of
that dark makeup ultimately makes Jolson's act seem less empathetic
than
condescending. Thankfully, history has moved beyond this movie and its
attitudes. How sobering to be reminded that something so wrong could
ever have
been so popular.

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On Oct 15, 1:56 pm, djwein <djw... DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
> "The Jazz Singer" reviewed
>
> Sound and Fury
>
> The Jazz Singer gave movies a voice, but the 80-year-old film hits
> some wrong
> notes today.
>
> by Steve Daly
> Entertainment Weekly, October 19, 2007
>
> Why does the cover for The Jazz Singer, a three-disc paean to the
> creaky 1927 Al
> Jolson flick (not to be confused with a wretched 1980 remake starring
> Neil
> Diamond), show its leading man, arms out in a crooner's pose, only in
> silhouette? Because there's an ugly stereotype under wraps here,
> that's why. The
> jacket soft-pedals the fact that Jolson spends a significant portion
> of Jazz
> Singer in blackface, masquerading as an African-American man -- that
> is, as a
> grotesque, degrading approximation of one. Original posters for the
> movie
> featured Jolson's made-up visage; hence the censored DVD image.
>
> Jolson, of course, didn't invent blackface. He was part of a larger
> pop-cultural
> obsession with ethnic impersonation. Born Asa Yoelson, the Jewish
> Lithuanian
> entertainer blunted his own "racial" heritage (a term used freely at
> the time in
> discussing Jewish identity) by assuming the trappings of another. The
> gimmick
> helped make him a recording superstar... and pigeonholed him forever
> inside an
> indefensible minstrel-show tradition.
>
> Are we supposed to celebrate The Jazz Singer unabashedly, as this DVD
> set does?
> Among the voluminous extras a commentary track -- a documentary on the
> dawn of
> "talking picture" technology, a huge, nearly four-hour sampling of
> early sound
> short films -- you'll find only passing, borderline-apologetic
> references to
> racial politics, and no one speaking from an African-American
> perspective. The
> movie itself, taken in context, still works provided you can get past
> Jolson's
> bug-eyed acting style. The plot is powerful because it's so absurdly
> melodramatic: A stern Orthodox Jewish cantor (Warner Oland, who went
> on to
> caricature Asians in the Charlie Chan movies) wants his son, Jakie
> Rabinowitz
> (Jolson), to follow in his footsteps. But Jakie rebels. He leaves
> home, renames
> himself Jack Robin, lands a big Broadway show (that's where the
> blackface comes
> in), and is savagely rejected by his father. Jolson has a freaky
> ability to
> portray the wounds of that rejection, especially when Jack clings to
> his mama
> (Eugenie Besserer) as recompense. After battling his parents, Jack
> suddenly
> reforms, punts his Broadway opening night, and serves as a one-time-
> only cantor
> to honor his father's wishes as the old man lies deathly ill. It's a
> four-hanky
> spectacle.
>
> Watching Jolson treat Jewish ritual as just another form of
> "showmanship,"
> thereby equating blackface with cantorial melodies as an expression of
> a
> mournful history, remains a remarkable act of ethnic drag. Still, the
> sight of
> that dark makeup ultimately makes Jolson's act seem less empathetic
> than
> condescending. Thankfully, history has moved beyond this movie and its
> attitudes. How sobering to be reminded that something so wrong could
> ever have
> been so popular.

THANKS splendid review

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Re: Review of "The Jazz Singer" by Entertainment Weekly's Steve Daly

A horrible review. No, not horrible for "The Jazz Singer," since our words
of 2007 can't reach nor harm it. Rather, it's horrible because the reviewer
not only seems to barely grasp the film's importance as a historical element
in film history (odd for a staff reviewer of perhaps the most widely read
media entertainment magazine in America) but that the bulk of his
disappointment in the film appears to stem from the fact that there's not
ENOUGH hand-wringing and apology accompanying the presentation.

"You'll find only passing, borderline-apologetic references to racial
politics, and no one speaking from an African-America perspective," reads
the review. Apologize to who?? Generations of viewers yet unborn? A
sensitive audience member who saw the film in 1927 and has been disturbed
ever since? African-Americans who are slated to be tied to chairs and
forced to watch the film? No, "The Jazz Singer" requires no apology from
misdirected, aimless (and seemingly oftentimes mindless) global residents of
2007. Save the apologies for the reams of disposable garbage that Hollywood
churns out today in lieu of talent and original thought.

I can't fathom why the reviewer thought commentary from "the African
American perspective" was called for, but seeing as no-one thought to ring
me up to provide commentary from the Caucasian perspective for the DVD
release of "Cleopatra Jones," perhaps it was just an oversight. If nothing
else, it would have been interesting to hear the thoughts of an even more
clueless viewer than Mr. Daly.

All that sound and fury (and lots of quotable buzz-words and fashionable
political positioning!) and not a single mention of the great effort that
went into the film's restoration --- and this, the film that launched and
popularized the technology that would, one day, allow us to bask in the
magic that is "Big Momma's House."

A shameful, missed-the-point-by-a-mile review from a magazine that, alas,
has tremendous influence. But, such is the usual fate of the early sound
film.


Jeff
www.vitaphone.blogspot.com


"djwein" <djwein RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "The Jazz Singer" reviewed
>
>
> Sound and Fury
>
> The Jazz Singer gave movies a voice, but the 80-year-old film hits
> some wrong
> notes today.
>
> by Steve Daly
> Entertainment Weekly, October 19, 2007
>
> Why does the cover for The Jazz Singer, a three-disc paean to the
> creaky 1927 Al
> Jolson flick (not to be confused with a wretched 1980 remake starring
> Neil
> Diamond), show its leading man, arms out in a crooner's pose, only in
> silhouette? Because there's an ugly stereotype under wraps here,
> that's why. The
> jacket soft-pedals the fact that Jolson spends a significant portion
> of Jazz
> Singer in blackface, masquerading as an African-American man -- that
> is, as a
> grotesque, degrading approximation of one. Original posters for the
> movie
> featured Jolson's made-up visage; hence the censored DVD image.
>
> Jolson, of course, didn't invent blackface. He was part of a larger
> pop-cultural
> obsession with ethnic impersonation. Born Asa Yoelson, the Jewish
> Lithuanian
> entertainer blunted his own "racial" heritage (a term used freely at
> the time in
> discussing Jewish identity) by assuming the trappings of another. The
> gimmick
> helped make him a recording superstar... and pigeonholed him forever
> inside an
> indefensible minstrel-show tradition.
>
> Are we supposed to celebrate The Jazz Singer unabashedly, as this DVD
> set does?
> Among the voluminous extras a commentary track -- a documentary on the
> dawn of
> "talking picture" technology, a huge, nearly four-hour sampling of
> early sound
> short films -- you'll find only passing, borderline-apologetic
> references to
> racial politics, and no one speaking from an African-American
> perspective. The
> movie itself, taken in context, still works provided you can get past
> Jolson's
> bug-eyed acting style. The plot is powerful because it's so absurdly
> melodramatic: A stern Orthodox Jewish cantor (Warner Oland, who went
> on to
> caricature Asians in the Charlie Chan movies) wants his son, Jakie
> Rabinowitz
> (Jolson), to follow in his footsteps. But Jakie rebels. He leaves
> home, renames
> himself Jack Robin, lands a big Broadway show (that's where the
> blackface comes
> in), and is savagely rejected by his father. Jolson has a freaky
> ability to
> portray the wounds of that rejection, especially when Jack clings to
> his mama
> (Eugenie Besserer) as recompense. After battling his parents, Jack
> suddenly
> reforms, punts his Broadway opening night, and serves as a one-time-
> only cantor
> to honor his father's wishes as the old man lies deathly ill. It's a
> four-hanky
> spectacle.
>
> Watching Jolson treat Jewish ritual as just another form of
> "showmanship,"
> thereby equating blackface with cantorial melodies as an expression of
> a
> mournful history, remains a remarkable act of ethnic drag. Still, the
> sight of
> that dark makeup ultimately makes Jolson's act seem less empathetic
> than
> condescending. Thankfully, history has moved beyond this movie and its
> attitudes. How sobering to be reminded that something so wrong could
> ever have
> been so popular.
>
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Vitaphone wrote:

> I can't fathom why the reviewer thought commentary from "the African
> American perspective" was called for . . .

Perhaps because it's likely to be different from commentary from another
perspective, and would be worth considering, especially by anyone who
feels that the issue of "old-timey" racial stereoptyping is irrelevant
in today's world.

Just a guess, though.




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Vitaphone wrote:

>A shameful, missed-the-point-by-a-mile
>review from a magazine that, alas, has
>tremendous influence. But, such is the
>usual fate of the early sound film.

"Shameful" may be too strong, but it is
dismaying to see how far the cultural left
has burrowed into mainsrteam journalisn.

The reviewer is principally interested
in making ideological points, and
almist totally neglects the duty of
a film journalist, to discuss the
cinematic dimensions of the topic.
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Hal Erickson wrote:

> Think I'm overreacting? Remember the clods who insisted upon emphasizing the
> wheelchair and removing the cigarette holder from the FDR statue--or those
> modern-day Bowdlers who airbrushed the cigarettes from the caricatures of
> famous jazz musicians on commemorative stamps?
>
> When Stalin did this, they called it "revisionism".

There's a difference between rewriting the past and pretending it
doesn't matter -- has no influence on the present.




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On Oct 15, 7:50 am, G-HE... DeleteThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
>
> "Shameful" may be too strong, but it is
> dismaying to see how far the cultural left
> has burrowed into mainsrteam journalisn.
>

Oh, stop it, George. All true liberals, such as myself, abhor
Political Correctness. Freedom of speech is just that, and it's
sickening that your pals on the right have enabled an atmosphere of
victimization where even the mildest ethnic/gender/political joke or
observation is met with howls of outrage and demands for an apology.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I must return to those cultural lefties at
Fox News. Apparently John Edwards got his hair cut again.

Mike S.
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"Lloyd Fonvielle" <navigareNOSPAM RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
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> Hal Erickson wrote:
>
>> Think I'm overreacting? Remember the clods who insisted upon emphasizing
>> the wheelchair and removing the cigarette holder from the FDR statue--or
>> those modern-day Bowdlers who airbrushed the cigarettes from the
>> caricatures of famous jazz musicians on commemorative stamps?
>>
>> When Stalin did this, they called it "revisionism".
>
> There's a difference between rewriting the past and pretending it doesn't
> matter -- has no influence on the present.
>

Maybe so, but I've noticed a lot of "selective outrage" when dealing with
movie history.

For example, several Asian-American groups managed to purge the Charlie Chan
films from cable TV because they starred non-Asians as Chan. Yet I have
never heard ONE word of protest when TCM shows such films as THE GOOD EARTH,
DRAGON SEED, TEAHOUSE OF THE AUGUST MOON or SAYONARA, which feature such
well-known Oriental performers as Paul Muni, Luise Rainer, Katharine
Hepburn, Marlon Brando and Ricardo Montalban. And frankly, I find Brando's
Sakima infinitely more offensive than Warner Oland's Chan.

Perhaps if the outrage was across-the-board instead of being lazily directed
at the easiest and most obvious targets, I wouldn't be so cynical.

Nobody is "pretending" that the offensive nature of blackface doesn't
matter. But please tell me what influence it has on the present. Are people
in the United States currently being barred from drinking fountains or
lunch counters or hosed down in the streets because Al Jolson blacks up and
sings "Mammy"? That's quite a heavy burden for a long-dead Jewish
entertainer to bear, don't you think?

And while we're on the subject, where is the outrage over Orson Welles'
OTHELLO? If we're going to get all hot and bothered over Jolson playing a
character who is merely pretending to be black, why not over a white man who
is portraying someone who IS black? Or would that require a special apology
affixed to all future editions of Shakespeare--which will certainly have a
lot wider and more general circulation than an 80-year-old part-talkie with
limited audience interest?

Attacking JAZZ SINGER is all too easy. Attacking genuine, palpable and
contemporary examples of race hatred requires a lot more effort than writing
a belated movie review. Remember that when J. Edgar Hoover first posted the
"Ten Most Wanted" list, he didn't include the names of people that he had no
chance of catching: "Ten Most Wanted" meant "The Ten We're Most Likely to
Get." (I can think of many, many other examples of such feel-good shortcuts,
but I think I've made my point).

--Hal E
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Hal Erickson wrote:

> Nobody is "pretending" that the offensive nature of blackface doesn't
> matter. But please tell me what influence it has on the present.

That's a question better addressed to present-day blacks, who are the
children and grandchildren of African-Americans who had to deal
first-hand with the racial stereotyping of popular American culture in 1927.

That stereotyping, benign as it may look to us now, was used to
humiliate and oppress them -- to justify their status as second-class
citizens. The memory of that oppression lives in the hearts of their
descendants -- echoes in the racial stereotyping that still goes on in
our culture.

William Faulkner said, "History isn't was, it's is." No one can declare
that history only goes back to 1928 -- that nothing that happened before
then matters, has an influence on the present.

I knew a man whose father was born in 1854. In generational terms, it
wasn't that long ago.



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> Vitaphone wrote:
>
>>A shameful, missed-the-point-by-a-mile
>>review from a magazine that, alas, has
>>tremendous influence. But, such is the
>>usual fate of the early sound film.
>
> "Shameful" may be too strong, but it is
> dismaying to see how far the cultural left
> has burrowed into mainsrteam journalisn.
>
> The reviewer is principally interested
> in making ideological points, and
> almist totally neglects the duty of
> a film journalist, to discuss the
> cinematic dimensions of the topic.

I got a feeling that the reviewer enjoyed the film, and is doing his best to
obscure the fact.

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The blackface element in THE JAZZ SINGER, no matter what our feelings on it
today, can't be changed --- can't be erased --- can't be altered, and the
people involved in the production are far beyond listening range of our
whines, posturing and indignation. It's for these reasons, not debates on
whether the depictions in the film are right or wrong, that I feel even
addressing the issue in 2007 is largely irrelevant.

What is thoroughly relevant, and always will be, is the fact that THE JAZZ
SINGER transformed the entertainment medium for all time, and were it not
for the Vitaphone accompaniment, it's doubtful the film would be remembered
at all today --- if indeed it even survived.

The more I think about it, the more I realize how brilliant a move it was to
alter and obscure the blackface element on the DVD slipcase, for THE JAZZ
SINGER as it exists in 2007 isn't about a Jewish man singing "Mother of
Mine" on bended knee in minstrel blackface, it's about a cultural phenomena
and technical innovation that changed cinema forever that just happened to
have been attached to a film called "The Jazz Singer."

It's simply a shame that so influential a magazine as Entertainment Weekly,
which --- like it or not --- had the power to influence readers, viewers and
buyers, chose to print a review by someone with a predictable,
paint-by-number or fill-in-the-blanks "spin" on media product.

Indeed, the very same issue in which the review appears devotes numerous
pages to surviving prop relics from Hollywood's recent and distant past ---
including a full page heartbreaking image of the mangled, rotting paw from
the 1933 model of "King Kong." E.W. editors clearly have a sense of
industry history (and there have been countless glowing reviews of other
vintage DVD product) but it miserably failed one of Hollywood's most
important --- and maligned relics, "The Jazz Singer," a film and era of film
ripe for re-discovery.

So, after a head-to-toe scrubbing and painstaking restoration, it appears
again --- quietly and tentatively, and is given a shove straight back to
1968 mentality with the barest of passing glances by the one publication
which could perhaps have most aided the trip back from obscurity and scorn.
Sad... but not surprising.

Jeff
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> Vitaphone wrote:
>
>> I can't fathom why the reviewer thought commentary from "the African
>> American perspective" was called for . . .
>
> Perhaps because it's likely to be different from commentary from another
> perspective, and would be worth considering, especially by anyone who
> feels that the issue of "old-timey" racial stereoptyping is irrelevant in
> today's world.
>
> Just a guess, though.
>
>
>
>
> Mar de Cortes Baja
>
> www.mardecortesbaja.com <http://www.mardecortesbaja.com/blog>
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> Re: Review of "The Jazz Singer" by Entertainment Weekly's Steve Daly
>
> A horrible review. No, not horrible for "The Jazz Singer," since our
> words of 2007 can't reach nor harm it. Rather, it's horrible because the
> reviewer not only seems to barely grasp the film's importance as a
> historical element in film history (odd for a staff reviewer of perhaps
> the most widely read media entertainment magazine in America) but that the
> bulk of his disappointment in the film appears to stem from the fact that
> there's not ENOUGH hand-wringing and apology accompanying the
> presentation.

I agree that that this is a terrible review. But Entertainment Weekly is a
terrible magazine. I subscribed when it first came out, but I didn't renew
when my first year was up. It is written for the under-30 crowd and mostly
pimps itself to push the latest "hot" films, music, and TV shows. The irony
is that it is part of the Time-Warner empire, that produced the film and DVD
in the first place.

Jeff, you should sent your thoughtful comments as a letter to-the-editor of
EW.

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On Oct 15, 1:09 pm, Lloyd Fonvielle <navigareNOS....DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
> That's a question better addressed to present-day blacks, who are the
> children and grandchildren of African-Americans who had to deal
> first-hand with the racial stereotyping of popular American culture in 1927.
>
> That stereotyping, benign as it may look to us now, was used to
> humiliate and oppress them -- to justify their status as second-class
> citizens. The memory of that oppression lives in the hearts of their
> descendants -- echoes in the racial stereotyping that still goes on in
> our culture.
>
> William Faulkner said, "History isn't was, it's is." No one can declare
> that history only goes back to 1928 -- that nothing that happened before
> then matters, has an influence on the present.
>
> I knew a man whose father was born in 1854. In generational terms, it
> wasn't that long ago.

I've generally tried to avoid these sorts of debates on AMS, but over
the past year I've given considerable thought to what is meant by
"culture" and what implication human difference has for
intersubjective communication and critique. I've also looked into post-
colonial and post-structural approaches to culture, and some of the
more devout adherents of these schools might argue that *all*
traditional components of Western culture--music, mathematics, the
scientific method, aesthetics--have been used for "imperial" and
"oppressive" purposes, *even if a given work doesn't explicitly
address race*. Theorists such as Homi K. Bhabha and Gayatri Spivak
have written (sometimes in dense prose) about the inter-related nature
of reading, writing, literary and cultural canons, and imperialism.
It's not too difficult to extend such arguments to film history and
cinematic representations of people--though I admit I haven't given
much thought to explicitly cinematic issues re: post-colonialism.

But I've spent much more time looking at approaches associated with
analytic philosophy, including the idea of intent, explicated in
G.E.M. Anscombe's "Intention". Relating some of these ideas to "The
Jazz Singer" and racism, we might ask the following questions (I don't
necessarily have answers):

What is an individuals's intention in using blackface to entertain
people? What, primarily, are they trying to do? Are they responsible
for consequences they did not imagine?

*If* blackface is in fact racist, is it racist in the same way that
maliciously using the n-word is? Are using blackface and uttering the
n-word the same *sort* of act, or are they different?

Is it ever permissible for someone to depict another person if the
latter is not part of the actor's racial/ethnic group? Or does this
apply only to cases where there is noticeable disparity between actor
and character?

-Harold
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"Hal Erickson" <hle3.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Lloyd Fonvielle" <navigareNOSPAM.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> Hal Erickson wrote:
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>>> Think I'm overreacting? Remember the clods who insisted upon emphasizing
>>> the wheelchair and removing the cigarette holder from the FDR statue--or
>>> those modern-day Bowdlers who airbrushed the cigarettes from the
>>> caricatures of famous jazz musicians on commemorative stamps?
>>>
>>> When Stalin did this, they called it "revisionism".
>>
>> There's a difference between rewriting the past and pretending it doesn't
>> matter -- has no influence on the present.
>>
>
> Maybe so, but I've noticed a lot of "selective outrage" when dealing with
> movie history.
>
> For example, several Asian-American groups managed to purge the Charlie
> Chan films from cable TV because they starred non-Asians as Chan. Yet I
> have never heard ONE word of protest when TCM shows such films as THE GOOD
> EARTH, DRAGON SEED, TEAHOUSE OF THE AUGUST MOON or SAYONARA, which feature
> such well-known Oriental performers as Paul Muni, Luise Rainer, Katharine
> Hepburn, Marlon Brando and Ricardo Montalban. And frankly, I find Brando's
> Sakima infinitely more offensive than Warner Oland's Chan.
>
> Perhaps if the outrage was across-the-board instead of being lazily
> directed at the easiest and most obvious targets, I wouldn't be so
> cynical.
Not everyone knows which films are and are not offensive. In the case of
Charlie Chan, the fact that it was a long-running series with an obvious
Asian name makes it stand out.

I should also point out that the Charlie Chan purge was temporary, and the
movies were back a few months later.

>
> Nobody is "pretending" that the offensive nature of blackface doesn't
> matter. But please tell me what influence it has on the present. Are
> people in the United States currently being barred from drinking
> fountains or lunch counters or hosed down in the streets because Al Jolson
> blacks up and sings "Mammy"? That's quite a heavy burden for a long-dead
> Jewish entertainer to bear, don't you think?
Racism still exists, even if it's no longer as overt as it once was. And it
could get worse. That's why bigoted images in mainstream media should not go
unchalleged and undiscussed. I'm not in favor of censorship--people should
be able to say what they want. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't criticize
what you find offensive.

In the case of historical works, such as The Jazz Singer, I actually believe
they should be seen and discussed. America seems to be buying into the myth
that overt racism was always an aberation, and I find that dangerous. Better
that these films are shown, and discussed, than suppressed.

And Jolson doesn't have to bear any of this. He's dead. History has to. But
if you don't want Jolson's image to be tarred with the essential racism of
his blackface performance, you should campaign to ban The Jazz Singer. One
can't watch that film today without cringing at times.

Lincoln
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On Oct 15, 4:22 pm, "Lincoln Spector" <notmyr....DeleteThis@address.com> wrote:
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> > Of course, we may be preaching to the choir, as I dare say most (if not
> > all) of us have this set on our "buy" list.
>
>>
> But for an allegedly full review of the DVD, it stinks.
>
> Lincoln


I couldn't agree more -- I subsribe to EW and their reviews of vintage
releases are usually pretty spot-on. This piece was particularly
disappointing because I really wanted to hear about the restoratation
as well as all of the "goodies" in the set. What we got instead was an
op-ed diatribe on "Jazz Singer" that the reviewer could have written
just as easily by watching an old VHS version. Kind of makes the
article rather pointless.
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