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Since: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 102
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:18 pm
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This documentary, which came out in 2005, was played on PBS this week
as part of their "Independent Lens" series. I remember seeing it
reviewed when it first came out, but didn't see it until this week.
Overall, a pretty interesting film. I know enough about accounting and
the specifics of the case to know some of the technical reasons how
the Enron guys broke the law, but I didn't expect a mainstream movie
to be able to present it without it being boring. In all, this film
did a pretty good job of explaining it, I thought. Sure, some of the
things they said were technically a little misleading. (Example: The
"mark to market" method, for instance, is actually appropriate in some
cases. The problem was the way Enron decided to apply that method in
their case.) But those are mainly quibbles. On the whole it seemed ok.
The pacing of the film was appropriately brisk. You'd think a
documentary about technical business irregularities would sag in
parts, but I have to say, it really didn't. Likewise they did a good
job of conveying the crazed, testosterone-filled culture of the energy
traders. I've known people who do that sort of thing and it seemed
pretty accurate from what I could tell.
I do have a few criticisms of the film, though. First, there's a part
in the middle where they try to compare the actions of the Enron
people to those of the subjects in the famous Milgram psychology
experiments. It's a pretty good analogy, I think, but the problem is
that for people who don't really know the experiements, that part of
the film might be a little confusing. It's a little hard to know why
they're mentioning these experiments unless you already know what they
are, because their explanation was too quick.
There's another problem too, particularly in the parts where they try
to tie the Enron scandal to larger business irregularities at the
time, and political figures. On the whole, they didn't fall into the
trap that you sometimes see, in which a film in effect has the message
"This happened because all business is evil," but occassionally they
seemed to imply that certain things were "bad" when they really
weren't. Deregulation itself, for example, wasn't the problem with
the California blackouts, for instance. The problem was individuals
involved turned out to be *criminals*. Likewise, at one point the
film seemed to imply that everything in the energy industry would be
better if we had the big, bloated monopolies of the past, which is
laughably wrong if you know the first thing about the energy industry
or how it works and used to work.
Another slightly sloppy bit in the film was the part where they were
showing that Lay had been close to President Bush and his family.
Granted, given Bush's popularity ratings it might seem enough to say,
"How good can this person be, he's a friend of George Bush!" But
really they didn't explain what exactly Bush did or didn't do for him,
other than saying that there were rumors that he was going to be
picked for Secretary of Energy, withouth really interviewing people
who were in an actual position to know whether this was true.
Basically it just seemed like they were trying to foist guilt by
association on Lay and the Bushes, but never really said exactly what
was wrongdoing. My point here isn't to say "They were trying to smear
Bush, aren't they bad" - it's to say that as a storytelling
technique, it's seemed pretty weak to merely point out the connection
without going any further.
But overall a very interesting and well done film. A good way to get
caught up on the Enron scandal if you followed it in the news but were
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:05 am
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The "bottom line" in the Enron mess was that, in fact, the company wasn't
making money but actually losing money.
A handful of top executives covered this fact up and also diverted hundreds
of $millions to their respective personal benefit.
But ALL the money that went to the crooked executives in total was nothing
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:24 am
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On Apr 29, 11:18 pm, zaryzary2....DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> This documentary, which came out in 2005, was played on PBS this week
> as part of their "Independent Lens" series. I remember seeing it
> reviewed when it first came out, but didn't see it until this week.
>
> Overall, a pretty interesting film. I know enough about accounting and
> the specifics of the case to know some of the technical reasons how
> the Enron guys broke the law, but I didn't expect a mainstream movie
> to be able to present it without it being boring. In all, this film
> did a pretty good job of explaining it, I thought. Sure, some of the
> things they said were technically a little misleading. (Example: The
> "mark to market" method, for instance, is actually appropriate in some
> cases. The problem was the way Enron decided to apply that method in
> their case.) But those are mainly quibbles. On the whole it seemed ok.
>
> The pacing of the film was appropriately brisk. You'd think a
> documentary about technical business irregularities would sag in
> parts, but I have to say, it really didn't. Likewise they did a good
> job of conveying the crazed, testosterone-filled culture of the energy
> traders. I've known people who do that sort of thing and it seemed
> pretty accurate from what I could tell.
>
> I do have a few criticisms of the film, though. First, there's a part
> in the middle where they try to compare the actions of the Enron
> people to those of the subjects in the famous Milgram psychology
> experiments. It's a pretty good analogy, I think, but the problem is
> that for people who don't really know the experiements, that part of
> the film might be a little confusing. It's a little hard to know why
> they're mentioning these experiments unless you already know what they
> are, because their explanation was too quick.
>
> There's another problem too, particularly in the parts where they try
> to tie the Enron scandal to larger business irregularities at the
> time, and political figures. On the whole, they didn't fall into the
> trap that you sometimes see, in which a film in effect has the message
> "This happened because all business is evil," but occassionally they
> seemed to imply that certain things were "bad" when they really
> weren't. Deregulation itself, for example, wasn't the problem with
> the California blackouts, for instance. The problem was individuals
> involved turned out to be *criminals*. Likewise, at one point the
> film seemed to imply that everything in the energy industry would be
> better if we had the big, bloated monopolies of the past, which is
> laughably wrong if you know the first thing about the energy industry
> or how it works and used to work.
>
> Another slightly sloppy bit in the film was the part where they were
> showing that Lay had been close to President Bush and his family.
> Granted, given Bush's popularity ratings it might seem enough to say,
> "How good can this person be, he's a friend of George Bush!" But
> really they didn't explain what exactly Bush did or didn't do for him,
> other than saying that there were rumors that he was going to be
> picked for Secretary of Energy, withouth really interviewing people
> who were in an actual position to know whether this was true.
> Basically it just seemed like they were trying to foist guilt by
> association on Lay and the Bushes, but never really said exactly what
> was wrongdoing. My point here isn't to say "They were trying to smear
> Bush, aren't they bad" - it's to say that as a storytelling
> technique, it's seemed pretty weak to merely point out the connection
> without going any further.
>
> But overall a very interesting and well done film. A good way to get
> caught up on the Enron scandal if you followed it in the news but were
> a little fuzzy on which player was responsible for what.
Loved the Firesign Theatre bit.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:39 am
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<zaryzary2003.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This documentary, which came out in 2005, was played on PBS this week
> as part of their "Independent Lens" series. I remember seeing it
> reviewed when it first came out, but didn't see it until this week.
>
> Overall, a pretty interesting film. I know enough about accounting and
> the specifics of the case to know some of the technical reasons how
> the Enron guys broke the law, but I didn't expect a mainstream movie
> to be able to present it without it being boring. In all, this film
> did a pretty good job of explaining it, I thought. Sure, some of the
> things they said were technically a little misleading. (Example: The
> "mark to market" method, for instance, is actually appropriate in some
> cases. The problem was the way Enron decided to apply that method in
> their case.) But those are mainly quibbles. On the whole it seemed ok.
Can you help me understand this a little more - in what circumstances is the
'mark to market' method of accounting appropriate? Barring something like
a sweetheart 'cost-plus' government deal, it seems like it would always be
delusional at best and fraudulent at worst. >> Stay informed about: "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:52 am
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<zaryzary2003.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This documentary, which came out in 2005, was played on PBS this week
> as part of their "Independent Lens" series. I remember seeing it
> reviewed when it first came out, but didn't see it until this week.
>
I was taken by the comments from one of the filmmakers that she was
surprised that the prosecutors didn't also go after some of the financial
institutions that provide the conduit to perpetuate this historical and
unprecedented fraud.
If memory serves, there was no mention of this by the mainstream media
during (or after) the trial. Or if there was, it didn't get much coverage. >> Stay informed about: "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" |
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Since: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 102
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:55 pm
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On Apr 30, 2:12 pm, "steve" <s... DeleteThis @steve.com> wrote:
> On 30-Apr-2007, smacked up and reeling, "bob smith" <a... DeleteThis @a.com> blindly
> formulated
> the following incoherence:
>
> > Can you help me understand this a little more - in what circumstances is
> > the
> > 'mark to market' method of accounting appropriate? Barring something like
> > a sweetheart 'cost-plus' government deal, it seems like it would always be
> > delusional at best and fraudulent at worst.
>
> I havent seen the film, but marking assets to market is always appropriate.
> Book values dont reflect the current value of an asset. They are just a
> historical legacy. If you buy a low yield bond in a low interest envronment
> and rates rise, the book value doesnt fall to reflect the diminished market
> value. You cant sell a bond at it's book value, you sell it at it's market
> value. So marking to market is the recognition of the most relevant measure
> of it's value against the companies liabilities.
It's been a while since I took accounting, and I'm sure your answer is
correct. As I remember, though, generally Mark to Market accounting is
generally used for accounting for financial instruments on a company's
balance sheet (as opposed to, say, ordinary inventory or property,
plant & equipment). The trouble is that Enron used it in a way that
was totally inappropriate and managed to get Arthur Anderson (their
accounting firm) to go along with it by promising business with other
parts of AA.
The point is that the film seems to say that "mark to market"
accounting is always wrong and sinister, when in fact it's a pretty
standard accounting methodology and was only sinister because of the
way Enron chose to use it.
> That being said, accounting rules can be used "creatively" to construct a
> deceptive picture of a companies value.
That's definitely true. I think a common misconception in the public
is that the accounting rules and practices are cut and dried, when in
fact a lot of judgment goes into it and well-intentioned people can
have legitimate difference of opinion. (The problem with Enron was
that they weren't well-intentioned people, they were criminals.) >> Stay informed about: "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:57 pm
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On Apr 30, 5:05 am, "John Gilmer" <gil....DeleteThis@nni.com> wrote:
> The "bottom line" in the Enron mess was that, in fact, the company wasn't
> making money but actually losing money.
>
> A handful of top executives covered this fact up and also diverted hundreds
> of $millions to their respective personal benefit.
>
> But ALL the money that went to the crooked executives in total was nothing
> compared to the energy shortfalls during the period.
That's a good point, and something the film doesn't really explain
that well. I'm still not clear whether the energy shortages in
California were a complete invention of Enron traders, or if they
merely took advantage of an existing situation to make it worse. >> Stay informed about: "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:12 pm
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On 30-Apr-2007, smacked up and reeling, "bob smith" <a DeleteThis @a.com> blindly
formulated
the following incoherence:
> Can you help me understand this a little more - in what circumstances is
> the
> 'mark to market' method of accounting appropriate? Barring something like
> a sweetheart 'cost-plus' government deal, it seems like it would always be
> delusional at best and fraudulent at worst.
I havent seen the film, but marking assets to market is always appropriate.
Book values dont reflect the current value of an asset. They are just a
historical legacy. If you buy a low yield bond in a low interest envronment
and rates rise, the book value doesnt fall to reflect the diminished market
value. You cant sell a bond at it's book value, you sell it at it's market
value. So marking to market is the recognition of the most relevant measure
of it's value against the companies liabilities.
That being said, accounting rules can be used "creatively" to construct a
deceptive picture of a companies value. Selectively marking some assets to
market while leaving others at book, for example, could do just that (if
allowed..I dont know accounting rules).
steve
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"The accused will now make a bogus statement."
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:12 pm
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"steve" <steve.TakeThisOut@steve.com> wrote in message
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> On 30-Apr-2007, smacked up and reeling, "bob smith" <a.TakeThisOut@a.com> blindly
> formulated
> the following incoherence:
>
>> Can you help me understand this a little more - in what circumstances is
>> the
>> 'mark to market' method of accounting appropriate? Barring something like
>> a sweetheart 'cost-plus' government deal, it seems like it would always
>> be
>> delusional at best and fraudulent at worst.
>
> I havent seen the film, but marking assets to market is always
> appropriate.
> Book values dont reflect the current value of an asset. They are just a
> historical legacy. If you buy a low yield bond in a low interest
> envronment
> and rates rise, the book value doesnt fall to reflect the diminished
> market
> value. You cant sell a bond at it's book value, you sell it at it's
> market
> value. So marking to market is the recognition of the most relevant
> measure
> of it's value against the companies liabilities.
>
> That being said, accounting rules can be used "creatively" to construct a
> deceptive picture of a companies value. Selectively marking some assets
> to
> market while leaving others at book, for example, could do just that (if
> allowed..I dont know accounting rules).
IIRC (and it's been a few years...), GAAP tends not to allow mix-and-match
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:05 pm
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On 30-Apr-2007, smacked up and reeling, "Victor Velazquez"
<victhrill.DeleteThis@notnow.com> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> > That being said, accounting rules can be used "creatively" to construct
> > a
> > deceptive picture of a companies value. Selectively marking some assets
> >
> > to
> > market while leaving others at book, for example, could do just that (if
> > allowed..I dont know accounting rules).
>
> IIRC (and it's been a few years...), GAAP tends not to allow mix-and-match
>
> valuation practices.
That sounds right, but there are ways around such things. For example, when
you sell or buy an asset, a new book value is established starting at the
sale price. If you could sell assets between subs, you could effectively
mark high value assets to market while holding low value (relative to
market) assets at book. You could effectively inflate your portfolio value
with such a strategy.
When you get down to it, there are many fundmental problems with statutory
accounting, and companies often game the defects in ways that might be
considered technically legal or illegal depending on what an expert will say
in court and on the general practices in the industry. Half the life
insurance industry was under water in the late 70s by any rational
accounting method, but statutory accounting didnt accurately reflect the
effect of 20% interest rates on insurance portfolios. Policy holders could
borrow at contractual rates in the 8% range, and many did just that in order
to earn far in excess of the loan rate on thier investments. Insurance
companies were getting killed, but it didnt show because they could keep
assets on the books at well in excess of thier market value, and they could
significantly over-value the policy loans which were huge money losers.
Clueless regulators are still trying to catch up 30 years later, but the
idiotic standards they propose make little or no more sense than the
regulations they replace.
I suffered through a meeting with an insurance regulator in California in
the early 80s (my boss had to defend a reinsurance contract) and I was
stunned at how truly clueless the regulator was. We werent scamming him,
but he couldnt understand the contract no matter how we explained it to him
(over a 6 month period, no less, giving him computer simulations of the
contracts operation under various scenarios, etc.). He had developed an
un-economic view of insurance contracts and couldnt see past it. The guy
was a real tool...with power.
So when I see an Enron fail and people going to jail, I figure it's probably
mostly political scapegoating. Enron probably did nothing many other
companies havent done for years, but they lost the game and politicians
descended like vultures. Then again, maybe the execs looted the place after
the fate was clear. Hard to know in this day of mis-information, but I
think there is every possibility that execs could go to jail for doing
nothing that was generally considered illegal when it was done.
steve
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:10 pm
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<zaryzary2003.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Overall, a pretty interesting film.
....
> I do have a few criticisms of the film, though. First, there's a part
> in the middle where they try to compare the actions of the Enron
> people to those of the subjects in the famous Milgram psychology
> experiments. It's a pretty good analogy,
Although Iagree overall with your review of the film and mostly with your
caveats I thought Milgram analogy was among the biggest stretches. It
assumes that the traders were decent people - as in not amoral and
inordinately selfish to begin - with but only led into questionable
practices by the encouragement of superiors.
> I think, but the problem is
> that for people who don't really know the experiments, that part of
> the film might be a little confusing. It's a little hard to know why
> they're mentioning these experiments unless you already know what they
> are, because their explanation was too quick.
>
> There's another problem too, particularly in the parts where they try
> to tie the Enron scandal to larger business irregularities at the
> time, and political figures. On the whole, they didn't fall into the
> trap that you sometimes see, in which a film in effect has the message
> "This happened because all business is evil," but occasionally they
> seemed to imply that certain things were "bad" when they really
> weren't. Deregulation itself, for example, wasn't the problem with
> the California blackouts, for instance. The problem was individuals
> involved turned out to be *criminals*.
The problem as another pointed out about the subjectivity of accounting
practices is that, depending on one's interpretation, they weren't
technically illegal. Immoral, amoral and horribly unethical? No doubt. But
the question of [il]legality was a much more grey area.
One thing that the banks should have had to answer more fully for is how
they abetted Enron's actions when they knew by their own statements that
having Fastow on both sides of those limited partnerships was totally
unacceptable.
In general my take on what Enron did wrong fell into four categories:
[1] Mark to market: As discussed not so much M2M itself but how they misused
it to artificially inflate Enron's balance sheet.
[2] The Nigerian Barge Ponzi: Basically they 'sold' assets at inflated to
third parties so that they could report revenue even though they would have
to 'buy' back the asset a few quarters down the road for even more.
[3] Future Earning: Booking estimated future earnings on current quarters.
Again this catches up as they eventually have to keep upping the ante.
[4] The California Energy Crisis: Straight out market manipulation and
gaming the system. The most obvious fix to California type manipulation
would be Glass/Steagal type of bar against energy traders and producers
being part of the same entity so that a trader could not call up a power
plant and tell them to shut down unnecessarily in order to drive up spot
prices. Secondarily you could enact a law that the locale where the power is
produced get's the right of first refusal before traders can start shipping
power out of the area.
Anyways, that's what I got from the l'affair d'Enron.
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> Another slightly sloppy bit in the film was the part where they were
> showing that Lay had been close to President Bush and his family.
> Granted, given Bush's popularity ratings it might seem enough to say,
> "How good can this person be, he's a friend of George Bush!" But
> really they didn't explain what exactly Bush did or didn't do for him,
> other than saying that there were rumors that he was going to be
> picked for Secretary of Energy, withouth really interviewing people
> who were in an actual position to know whether this was true.
I think they were justified in raising the question. I doubt many of those
figures would or did consent to interviews.
> Basically it just seemed like they were trying to foist guilt by
> association on Lay and the Bushes, but never really said exactly what
> was wrongdoing. My point here isn't to say "They were trying to smear
> Bush, aren't they bad" - it's to say that as a storytelling
> technique, it's seemed pretty weak to merely point out the connection
> without going any further.
I'm sure they would have if they could have. I take your point but I don't
think they went too far in raising the question when they didn't have any
smoking gun.
> But overall a very interesting and well done film. A good way to get
> caught up on the Enron scandal if you followed it in the news but were
> a little fuzzy on which player was responsible for what.
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On Apr 30, 10:10 pm, "karl" <kona-k....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In general my take on what Enron did wrong fell into four categories:
>
> [1] Mark to market: As discussed not so much M2M itself but how they misused
> it to artificially inflate Enron's balance sheet.
>
> [2] The Nigerian Barge Ponzi: Basically they 'sold' assets at inflated to
> third parties so that they could report revenue even though they would have
> to 'buy' back the asset a few quarters down the road for even more.
>
> [3] Future Earning: Booking estimated future earnings on current quarters.
> Again this catches up as they eventually have to keep upping the ante.
>
> [4] The California Energy Crisis:
[snip]
I would add one more major category, which was the creation of
corporations by Fastow (I think) for the sole purpose of hiding debt
and other things. I recall knowing at one point the specifics of what
they did here, but it was somewhat complicated and was another example
of manipulating accounting to make themselves look better. Actually
the film didn't do a terribly good job of explaining this piece, in my
opinion, because even though I pretty much knew what had gone on here,
they didn't do a thorough job of explaining exactly what happened
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On Apr 30, 1:52 pm, "Michael T" <anonym... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> <zaryzary2... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:1177903134.442794.9310@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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> > This documentary, which came out in 2005, was played on PBS this week
> > as part of their "Independent Lens" series. I remember seeing it
> > reviewed when it first came out, but didn't see it until this week.
>
> I was taken by the comments from one of the filmmakers that she was
> surprised that the prosecutors didn't also go after some of the financial
> institutions that provide the conduit to perpetuate this historical and
> unprecedented fraud.
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> If memory serves, there was no mention of this by the mainstream media
> during (or after) the trial. Or if there was, it didn't get much coverage.
Ben Stein wrote his NYT column about that very fact. There's a nice
little loophole saying that the banks have to be actively involved in
the fraud, and actively is defined very finely--it's not enough for
them to simply NOT look closely at the books. >> Stay informed about: "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:32 am
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zaryzary2003.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>I do have a few criticisms of the film, though. First, there's a part
>in the middle where they try to compare the actions of the Enron
>people to those of the subjects in the famous Milgram psychology
>experiments. It's a pretty good analogy, I think, but the problem is
>that for people who don't really know the experiements, that part of
>the film might be a little confusing. It's a little hard to know why
>they're mentioning these experiments unless you already know what they
>are, because their explanation was too quick.
Before the Internet that would have indeed been a problem. Today,
however, one need only fire up the PC and log onto Wikipedia, or
whatever, to learn all about Milgram or virtually anything else of
consequence that is mentioned on TV or DVD. Indeed, I keep a PC on
standby in my TV viewing room for just that purpose, and use it
frequently. >> Stay informed about: "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" |
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