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Lonnie

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:32 am
Post subject: God Are Those Essanays SLOW!!!
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I, like everyone in these groups, have endless admiration for the
great restoration job Mr. Shard constantly does, but my god, I just
watched the Essanay on TCM (the pictorial quality of them was the best
I have ever seen)and they are sooooooooooooooooo
sloooooooooooooooooow.

The running time on "His New Job" and "A Night Out" was 1:04.

Now, wasn't a normal 2-reeler in the silent era clocked in at about
20 minutes (i.e. about 10 minutes per reel?) Each of these two
reelers, however, run over a half an hour!!

Again, I love the restorative jobs Mr. Shepard does, but it just seems
to me that these films were slowed down too much. Things I have read
from Walter Kerr, Huff and others always said that Chaplin INTENDED
his films not to run at real-time speeds, but faster than that - and I
just think that this was not adhered to in "corre ting" the speeds of
the Essanays!!

Lonnie

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:32 pm
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>From: lonnien RemoveThis @starpower.net (Lonnie)
wrote:

>Now, wasn't a normal 2-reeler in the silent era clocked in at about
>20 minutes (i.e. about 10 minutes per reel?) Each of these two
>reelers, however, run over a half an hour!!
>I love the restorative jobs Mr. Shepard does, but it just seems
>to me that these films were slowed down too much.


Silent films were originally designed to run at a speed of about 16-18
frames-per-second. When sound films came along- they ran at 24
frames-per-second.

Thus, most silent films were "speeded-up" when they were shown on sound
projectors. The projector either had to be set for silent speed, or the film
had to be "step-printed" to look the way it would have if shown at silent speed
while actually running on the projector at sound speed.

Back in my 16mm days, I remember Blackhawk released some silents (like THE
TRAMP) with music scores, but the films had to be projected at silent speed.
They did this so the films would be shown the way they were intended.

When Blackhawk restored the Chaplin Mutuals- they debated whether to use silent
or sound speed. The problem was that the Van Beuren soundtracks were recorded
at sound speed, and it would have been difficult to match them to the action at
silent speed. They decided going with sound speed was best.

Anyway- I think the problem is that we've become accustomed to seeing silent
films shown at the "speeded-up" 24 fps, when they were intended to run slower.


That, plus people nowadays have shorter attention spans. :)

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Constance Kuriyama

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:58 am
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Lonnie (lonnien@starpower.net) writes:
> I, like everyone in these groups, have endless admiration for the
> great restoration job Mr. Shard constantly does, but my god, I just
> watched the Essanay on TCM (the pictorial quality of them was the best
> I have ever seen)and they are sooooooooooooooooo
> sloooooooooooooooooow.
>
> The running time on "His New Job" and "A Night Out" was 1:04.
>
> Now, wasn't a normal 2-reeler in the silent era clocked in at about
> 20 minutes (i.e. about 10 minutes per reel?) Each of these two
> reelers, however, run over a half an hour!!
>
> Again, I love the restorative jobs Mr. Shepard does, but it just seems
> to me that these films were slowed down too much. Things I have read
> from Walter Kerr, Huff and others always said that Chaplin INTENDED
> his films not to run at real-time speeds, but faster than that - and I
> just think that this was not adhered to in "corre ting" the speeds of
> the Essanays!!
>
> Lonnie

Yes, they are slow. Most reels lasted 10-12 minutes when projected at
the desired speed.

When Chaplin made _Modern Times_, he filmed many scenes at 18 fps,
knowing that they would be projected at 24. He wanted the stylized
effect that comes with the speedup, not natural motion.

The advantage of the slower speed is that you can catch more detail
on the first viewing, but the comedy loses some of its impact when
speed is critical to the effect--as in chase sequences.

Originally projectionists could adjust the speed to suit the
nature of the action. I've tried this with a variable speed
projector, and it's probably the ideal. Some scenes play best at
slower speeds.

Connie K.
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"Our century is inconceivable without its . . . inconclusive mob of isms."
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