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Since: Dec 13, 2005 Posts: 41
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:07 pm
Post subject: Charlie Chaplin Festival Archived from groups: alt>movies>chaplin (more info?)
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Is this film in the public domain?
The source material clearly is, and the copyright on the film itself says
1918... But it was released in 1938, which may give it copyright status as a
derivative work. Then again, all the actual footage besides the titles are
in public domain! So where does this film stand?
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Since: Feb 03, 2006 Posts: 170
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:18 am
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David Pearson wrote:
> Is this film in the public domain?
>
> The source material clearly is, and the copyright on the film itself says
> 1918... But it was released in 1938, which may give it copyright status as a
> derivative work. Then again, all the actual footage besides the titles are
> in public domain! So where does this film stand?
>
> DBP
I doubt if anyone bothered to renew the 1938 copyright. Tom Dunahoo
of Thunderbird Films used to sell 16mm prints of FESTIVAL--if I recall
corraectly--and never got in trouble for it, although he got in a lot
of trouble for thinking the first season of STAR TREK was public domain
and sold super 8mm and 16mm prints of that. >> Stay informed about: Charlie Chaplin Festival |
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Since: Dec 07, 2004 Posts: 222
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:36 am
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You can always call up the Margaret Herrick Library in Beverly Hills
(310-247-3020) and ask the reference librarian to look it up in THE
FILM SUPERLIST. He'll tell you in thirty seconds whether the copyright
was renewed or not, and all it'll cost you is the phone call.
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Since: Dec 07, 2004 Posts: 222
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:21 pm
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David Pearson wrote:
> And the Margaret Herrick Library's answer to my copyright question is...
> They don't know,
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> "Charlie Chaplin Festival" isn't listed in THE FILM SUPERLIST. Now, what
> does that mean?
A possibility is that THE CHARLIE CHAPLIN FESTIVAL was never
copyrighted in the first place. I wonder if its sister film, THE
CHARLIE CHAPLIN CARNIVAL, ever got copyrighted.
Anyway, if there's no record of a renewed copyright, you're safe.
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Since: Dec 13, 2005 Posts: 41
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:30 pm
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On 2/6/06 12:18 PM, in article
1139249894.756698.5930.RemoveThis@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Richard Carnahan"
<rfcsac627n.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
> I doubt if anyone bothered to renew the 1938 copyright. Tom Dunahoo
> of Thunderbird Films used to sell 16mm prints of FESTIVAL--if I recall
> corraectly--and never got in trouble for it, although he got in a lot
> of trouble for thinking the first season of STAR TREK was public domain
> and sold super 8mm and 16mm prints of that.
LOL.
Thanks. I was thinking about posting the whole thing online at
silent-movies.org as a streaming MP4 file, along with some other PD titles I
have before they go to dust on VHS.
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Since: Dec 13, 2005 Posts: 41
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:46 pm
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On 2/6/06 12:36 PM, in article
1139250984.828084.173570.DeleteThis@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "Shush"
<shushfilmseznospam.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You can always call up the Margaret Herrick Library in Beverly Hills
> (310-247-3020) and ask the reference librarian to look it up in THE
> FILM SUPERLIST. He'll tell you in thirty seconds whether the copyright
> was renewed or not, and all it'll cost you is the phone call.
>
>
>
> --Shush--
COOL!!! Thanks!
:-)
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Since: Dec 13, 2005 Posts: 41
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:30 pm
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On 2/6/06 12:46 PM, in article C00CF5A5.1F7D2%dbpearson@charter.net, "David
Pearson" <dbpearson.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote:
> On 2/6/06 12:36 PM, in article
> 1139250984.828084.173570.TakeThisOut@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "Shush"
> <shushfilmseznospam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> You can always call up the Margaret Herrick Library in Beverly Hills
>> (310-247-3020) and ask the reference librarian to look it up in THE
>> FILM SUPERLIST. He'll tell you in thirty seconds whether the copyright
>> was renewed or not, and all it'll cost you is the phone call.
>>
>>
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>> --Shush--
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> COOL!!! Thanks!
>
> :-)
>
> DBP
>
And the Margaret Herrick Library's answer to my copyright question is...
They don't know,
"Charlie Chaplin Festival" isn't listed in THE FILM SUPERLIST. Now, what
does that mean? Could Chaplin have simply skipped the copyright process, as
these films were copyrighted at the time?
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Since: Dec 13, 2005 Posts: 41
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:37 pm
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On 2/6/06 2:21 PM, in article
1139257277.909654.326360.RemoveThis@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "Shush"
<shushfilmseznospam.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> David Pearson wrote:
>
>> And the Margaret Herrick Library's answer to my copyright question is...
>> They don't know,
>>
>> "Charlie Chaplin Festival" isn't listed in THE FILM SUPERLIST. Now, what
>> does that mean?
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> A possibility is that THE CHARLIE CHAPLIN FESTIVAL was never
> copyrighted in the first place. I wonder if its sister film, THE
> CHARLIE CHAPLIN CARNIVAL, ever got copyrighted.
Good question.
There's a third one called CHARLIE CHAPLIN CAVALCADE too. The three films
cover all twelve Mutuals. Interesting that they appear to be organized in
the same way as the Shepard DVDs. I wonder if it is some sort of official
pattern tp them?
> Anyway, if there's no record of a renewed copyright, you're safe.
Excellent, I'll be posting it online then.
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Since: Jul 10, 2003 Posts: 886
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:07 pm
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shushfilmseznospam.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Shush) wrote:
> You can always call up the Margaret
>Herrick Library in Beverly Hills
>(310-247-3020) and ask the reference
>librarian to look it up in THE FILM
>SUPERLIST. He'll tell you in thirty
>seconds whether the copyright was
>renewed or not, and all it'll cost you is
>the phone call.
I urge any and all to visit this library,
which I believe is located on San Vicente
and Olympic. It is the Vahalla of
film aficionados and a template
for all film literature collections.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Since: Dec 19, 2005 Posts: 23
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:22 am
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I wonder if the music scores on these might still be copyrighted?
Seems everytime someone releases the Chaplin Mutuals in the RKO/Van
Beuren versions these days, they always replace the soundtrack. >> Stay informed about: Charlie Chaplin Festival |
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Since: Jun 09, 2005 Posts: 333
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:15 pm
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> Thanks. I was thinking about posting the whole thing online at
> silent-movies.org as a streaming MP4 file, along with some other PD titles
I
> have before they go to dust on VHS.
Hello, David,
Please consider also posting it to archive.org so it will be permanently
available to everyone in many different formats. :)
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