Silent Film boomed in the 1930,s

On Oct 1, 7:27 am, Rich T <rich_tint....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 3:21 pm, sir michael cat <mccro....RemoveThis@adam.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hollywood would like us to believe that silent film died after City
> > Lights in 1930. They ignore the many people with 16mm ,8m and 9.5mm
> > cameras who were making excellent and honest films. These film-makers
> > contradict the "dream factory" images presented by Hollywood.....
>
> Go on....

I would enjoy comments on films in that superb dvd collection UNSEEN
CINEMA.. AND Rich T your contribution to this discussion would be
appreciated
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On Sep 30, 5:47 pm, sir michael cat <mccro....RemoveThis@adam.com.au> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 7:27 am, Rich T <rich_tint....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 30, 3:21 pm, sir michael cat <mccro....RemoveThis@adam.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Hollywood would like us to believe that silent film died after City
> > > Lights in 1930. They ignore the many people with 16mm ,8m and 9.5mm
> > > cameras who were making excellent and honest films. These film-makers
> > > contradict the "dream factory" images presented by Hollywood.....
>
> > Go on....
>
> I would enjoy comments on films in that superb dvd collection UNSEEN
> CINEMA.. AND Rich T your contribution to this discussion would be
> appreciated

I gladly would contribute if I could. I was merely encouraging you to
expound upon your original comment. Alas, I'm more of a lurker...
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On Oct 1, 8:11 am, "Matt Barry" <bar....DeleteThis@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> "sir michael cat" <mccro....DeleteThis@adam.com.au> wrote in messagenews:1191192448.909947.195120@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Oct 1, 7:27 am, Rich T <rich_tint....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 30, 3:21 pm, sir michael cat <mccro....DeleteThis@adam.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> > Hollywood would like us to believe that silent film died after City
> >> > Lights in 1930. They ignore the many people with 16mm ,8m and 9.5mm
> >> > cameras who were making excellent and honest films. These film-makers
> >> > contradict the "dream factory" images presented by Hollywood.....
>
> >> Go on....
>
> > I would enjoy comments on films in that superb dvd collection UNSEEN
> > CINEMA.. AND Rich T your contribution to this discussion would be
> > appreciated
>
> I actually haven't seen this particular collection yet (just checked it out
> at unseen-cinema.com, and it looks quite impressive to say the least), but I
> am familiar with many of the titles listed.
>
> I find many of these to be fascinating personal expressions, the type which,
> for a number of factors, "Hollywood" wasn't able to produce. The early,
> short films of Rene Clair offer a similar glimpse into the filmmaking
> alternatives of the time as well. My interest in these films is that they
> often contain pure experimentation, and a sense of exploring the
> possibilities of the medium beyond the storytelling aspects. This is perhaps
> one of the big reasons these films are still studied today. When one looks
> at what was accomplished by, say, Maya Derren or Norman McLaren using just a
> Bolex camera and 16mm film, it's inspiring to see that even with the most
> basic of technology, the filmmakers can still explore these personal ideas
> in such interesting ways. The spirit of these avant garde and independent
> filmmakers continues to be a driving force in some of the most original and
> interesting films being made today by filmmakers such as Tatia Rosenthal,
> Jan Svankmajer and Charles Tashiro (which, like in the 30s and 40s, aren't
> considered "mainstream" or "commercial".)
>
> As I mentioned, though, the "silent film" as it developed in the 1910s and
> 20s was a distinct artistic entity beyond the mere lack of a pre-recorded
> soundtrack. The conventions, both in terms of the emphasis on the
> performers, the presentation of dialogue through intertitles, and the
> traditional story structure, clearly separate these from the avant garde and
> independent films of the same period.
> --
> Matt Barry
> View my films at:www.youtube.com/comedyfilmhttp://mbarry84.tripod.comhttp://filmreel.blogspot.com

reply to MATT BARRY Your notes on Rene Clair , Maya Derren and
other fine film-makers were very interesting and I have viewed and
enjoyed many of their films. Thanks for the link to your films and now
I will go to You-Tube and enjoy them
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"Rich T" <rich_tintera RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 30, 3:21 pm, sir michael cat <mccro... RemoveThis @adam.com.au> wrote:
>> Hollywood would like us to believe that silent film died after City
>> Lights in 1930. They ignore the many people with 16mm ,8m and 9.5mm
>> cameras who were making excellent and honest films. These film-makers
>> contradict the "dream factory" images presented by Hollywood.....
>
> Go on....
>

Are you referring to independent filmmakers, I assume? What I find
interesting is how these "silent films" developed their own style very
quickly, distancing themselves from the traditional silent films that used
intertitles and other conventions absent from, say, much avant garde and
independent cinema of the 30s onward. For this type of film, the silence can
be an advantage for the filmmaker to explore the visual possibilities. The
films of Maya Derren are a good example of this, I think.
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"sir michael cat" <mccrohan DeleteThis @adam.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Oct 1, 7:27 am, Rich T <rich_tint... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 30, 3:21 pm, sir michael cat <mccro... DeleteThis @adam.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> > Hollywood would like us to believe that silent film died after City
>> > Lights in 1930. They ignore the many people with 16mm ,8m and 9.5mm
>> > cameras who were making excellent and honest films. These film-makers
>> > contradict the "dream factory" images presented by Hollywood.....
>>
>> Go on....
>
> I would enjoy comments on films in that superb dvd collection UNSEEN
> CINEMA.. AND Rich T your contribution to this discussion would be
> appreciated
>

I actually haven't seen this particular collection yet (just checked it out
at unseen-cinema.com, and it looks quite impressive to say the least), but I
am familiar with many of the titles listed.

I find many of these to be fascinating personal expressions, the type which,
for a number of factors, "Hollywood" wasn't able to produce. The early,
short films of Rene Clair offer a similar glimpse into the filmmaking
alternatives of the time as well. My interest in these films is that they
often contain pure experimentation, and a sense of exploring the
possibilities of the medium beyond the storytelling aspects. This is perhaps
one of the big reasons these films are still studied today. When one looks
at what was accomplished by, say, Maya Derren or Norman McLaren using just a
Bolex camera and 16mm film, it's inspiring to see that even with the most
basic of technology, the filmmakers can still explore these personal ideas
in such interesting ways. The spirit of these avant garde and independent
filmmakers continues to be a driving force in some of the most original and
interesting films being made today by filmmakers such as Tatia Rosenthal,
Jan Svankmajer and Charles Tashiro (which, like in the 30s and 40s, aren't
considered "mainstream" or "commercial".)

As I mentioned, though, the "silent film" as it developed in the 1910s and
20s was a distinct artistic entity beyond the mere lack of a pre-recorded
soundtrack. The conventions, both in terms of the emphasis on the
performers, the presentation of dialogue through intertitles, and the
traditional story structure, clearly separate these from the avant garde and
independent films of the same period.
--
Matt Barry
View my films at: www.youtube.com/comedyfilm
http://mbarry84.tripod.com
http://filmreel.blogspot.com
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