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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:44 pm
Post subject: "Flightplan" = "The Lady Vanishes"
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:30 pm
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Modemac wrote:
> Or in this case, "The Baby Vanishes." However, I suspect the movie
> will attempt to be a lot more "serious" than Hitchcock's early
> masterpiece was. More's the pity.
I was thinking along the same lines when I read the reviews.
This is actually a very servicable plot device that has been used a
number of times "The Lady Vanishes" being the most famous - (Hitchcock
himself admits that the basic premise is really stupid). There was also
"So Long at the Fair" where Jean Simmons loses her brother in nineteeth
century Paris and everyone denies ever seeing him (This was based on a
true incident). There was another one - I forget the title but I
remember that Jeanne Crain and Michael Rennie were in it and it was
based on a John Dickson Carr novel - Crain is on her honeymoon cruise
and her husband goes missing - I'm sure there's many more. The trouble
with these are like locked room mysteries and the explanation is
usually a let-down - It's often fun getting there though.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:25 pm
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> DANGEROUS CROSSING (1953), with the estimable Carl Betz as the missing
> husband.
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> Jim Beaver
Thanks Jim. Good movie. I still remember the solution - it was one of
those "Why didn't I think of that?" things because the movie had played
fair with the audience all along and gave lots of clues. I saw it on a
double bill with a Tab Hunter western. ...memories...memories...
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:07 pm
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On 23-Sep-2005, "Modemac" <modemac DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Or in this case, "The Baby Vanishes." However, I suspect the movie
> will attempt to be a lot more "serious" than Hitchcock's early
> masterpiece was. More's the pity.
Reviews say it turns into a typical shoot-em-up with the mother playing the
main role - and that the secret (given away early) isn't that good.
Maybe I'll re-watch Hitchcock - and maybe Air Force One. >> Stay informed about: "Flightplan" = "The Lady Vanishes" |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:44 pm
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<howard.TakeThisOut@brazee.net> wrote in message
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> On 23-Sep-2005, "Modemac" <modemac.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Or in this case, "The Baby Vanishes." However, I suspect the movie
>> will attempt to be a lot more "serious" than Hitchcock's early
>> masterpiece was. More's the pity.
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> Reviews say it turns into a typical shoot-em-up with the mother playing
> the
> main role - and that the secret (given away early) isn't that good.
It got a good review in this morning's SF Chronicle. But I just checked
Rotten Tomatoes and found a lot of negatives--more than half.
About the ending (not that I know what it is): Modern thrillers, if they
attempt to be intelligent, always fall apart in the third act. The most
recent example--also set on a plane with a female protagonist--was Red Eye.
Most of it is a terrific Hitchcockian thriller, but in the last half hour
all plausibility is thrown to the wind so that the herione's life can be in
danger and the villian can chase her. Same thing with last year's
Collatoral. All of the intelligent writing just goes out the window to give
audiences what they expect in a modern thriller.
Lincoln
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> Maybe I'll re-watch Hitchcock - and maybe Air Force One. >> Stay informed about: "Flightplan" = "The Lady Vanishes" |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:44 pm
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Lincoln Spector wrote:
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>>>Or in this case, "The Baby Vanishes." However, I suspect the movie
>>>will attempt to be a lot more "serious" than Hitchcock's early
>>>masterpiece was. More's the pity.
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>>Reviews say it turns into a typical shoot-em-up with the mother playing
>>the
>>main role - and that the secret (given away early) isn't that good.
>
> About the ending (not that I know what it is): Modern thrillers, if they
> attempt to be intelligent, always fall apart in the third act. The most
> recent example--also set on a plane with a female protagonist--was Red Eye.
> Most of it is a terrific Hitchcockian thriller, but in the last half hour
> all plausibility is thrown to the wind so that the herione's life can be in
> danger and the villian can chase her. Same thing with last year's
> Collatoral. All of the intelligent writing just goes out the window to give
> audiences what they expect in a modern thriller.
Even '98's "A Perfect Murder" rewrote and threw out its ambitions to
update "Dial M for Murder" (in which faithful version the David Suchet
detective would've been the main character, constantly on the case and
figuring in the climax, instead of just disappearing from 90% of the
movie after one scene) in the last reel, just so the studio could play
the safety-net "Heroine in jeopardy" card to their intended Lifetime
Network demographic...
Derek Janssen
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:50 pm
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"Derek Janssen" <djanss.RemoveThis@nospam.charter.net> wrote in message
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> Lincoln Spector wrote:
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>>>>Or in this case, "The Baby Vanishes." However, I suspect the movie
>>>>will attempt to be a lot more "serious" than Hitchcock's early
>>>>masterpiece was. More's the pity.
>>>
>>>Reviews say it turns into a typical shoot-em-up with the mother playing
>>>the
>>>main role - and that the secret (given away early) isn't that good.
>>
>> About the ending (not that I know what it is): Modern thrillers, if they
>> attempt to be intelligent, always fall apart in the third act. The most
>> recent example--also set on a plane with a female protagonist--was Red
>> Eye. Most of it is a terrific Hitchcockian thriller, but in the last half
>> hour all plausibility is thrown to the wind so that the herione's life
>> can be in danger and the villian can chase her. Same thing with last
>> year's Collatoral. All of the intelligent writing just goes out the
>> window to give audiences what they expect in a modern thriller.
>
> Even '98's "A Perfect Murder" rewrote and threw out its ambitions to
> update "Dial M for Murder" (in which faithful version the David Suchet
> detective would've been the main character, constantly on the case and
> figuring in the climax, instead of just disappearing from 90% of the movie
> after one scene) in the last reel, just so the studio could play the
> safety-net "Heroine in jeopardy" card to their intended Lifetime Network
> demographic...
The problem isn't so much putting the heroine in jeopardy, but being stupid
about it. One recent exception was Panic Room (also starring Foster). Yes,
she was in jeopardy, but she didn't have to go brain-dead to get there. Nor
did her coming out alive depend on a professional killer firing multiple
rounds at her point blank and missing each one.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:01 pm
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"Dave in Toronto" <dmatthews03 DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Modemac wrote:
>> Or in this case, "The Baby Vanishes." However, I suspect the movie
>> will attempt to be a lot more "serious" than Hitchcock's early
>> masterpiece was. More's the pity.
>
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>
> I was thinking along the same lines when I read the reviews.
>
> This is actually a very servicable plot device that has been used a
> number of times "The Lady Vanishes" being the most famous - (Hitchcock
> himself admits that the basic premise is really stupid). There was also
> "So Long at the Fair" where Jean Simmons loses her brother in nineteeth
> century Paris and everyone denies ever seeing him (This was based on a
> true incident). There was another one - I forget the title but I
> remember that Jeanne Crain and Michael Rennie were in it and it was
> based on a John Dickson Carr novel - Crain is on her honeymoon cruise
> and her husband goes missing
DANGEROUS CROSSING (1953), with the estimable Carl Betz as the missing
husband.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:51 am
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howard.TakeThisOut@brazee.net wrote:
> On 23-Sep-2005, "Modemac" <modemac.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Or in this case, "The Baby Vanishes." However, I suspect the movie
>>will attempt to be a lot more "serious" than Hitchcock's early
>>masterpiece was. More's the pity.
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> Reviews say it turns into a typical shoot-em-up with the mother playing the
> main role - and that the secret (given away early) isn't that good.
>
> Maybe I'll re-watch Hitchcock - and maybe Air Force One.
I think I know the secret, but won't spoil it for the rest of you.
LC >> Stay informed about: "Flightplan" = "The Lady Vanishes" |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:49 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:49 pm
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