G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound?

Tony Muricy wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> I´m going to make a video shoot, and the director wants to work
> uncabled between camera and sound.
> I´ve noticed that I can buy two Sennheiser G2 units for the same price
> I´m going to pay to rent two extra wireless for this shoot.
> I´m going to work close to the camera, but sometimes I´ll be inside a
> crowd, with people between me and the camera. I´ll be recording some
> back-up sound in DAT ou Minidisc in more difficult situations.
> What do you think - is the G2 good sounding and stable enough to be
> the link betwen me and the camera, considering that the audio in camera
> should be the final one, or should I rent two Lectro or similar radio
> mikes and forget about taking the chance to buy new radio mikes?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Tony Muricy
> Rio de Janeiro
>
Tony,
I use the G2's as cam sends only when I record to a second device
(usually my FR-2). They actually sound pretty good but being
non-diversity I would opt for Lectros if cam sound is the final
deliverable and you are not going to supply additional recordings.

Cheers,
Adam Rabinowitz
Sound for Film & Video
www.soundfilmvideo.com
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

Steve,
Are you referring to the 500 or the 100 series G2s?
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

It's quite simple:

if you want to work again with this production you might not want to use a
G2 - despite what other participants here say. Besides the issue of standing
close enough to the camera, the G2's sound quality can be quite annoying
especially on locations with a fair amount of back ground noise.

There is a professional way and there is an amateur way - if it's an amateur
show, don't worry, if it's supposed to be professional even if they use
amateur cameras (mini-DV) then do worry;-)

Karl


On 12/9/05 8:56 AM, in article YIimf.9413$kt5.789381@news20.bellglobal.com,
"Jason Porter" <soundmixer.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I would try the G2's, stay as close as possible to the camera and definitely
> run your backup recorder. Let them know you have a high quality backup if
> they need it in post.
>
> -Jason
>
> "Tony Muricy" <tonymuricy.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1134140609.081848.304320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi folks!
>
> I´m going to make a video shoot, and the director wants to work
> uncabled between camera and sound.
> I´ve noticed that I can buy two Sennheiser G2 units for the same price
> I´m going to pay to rent two extra wireless for this shoot.
> I´m going to work close to the camera, but sometimes I´ll be inside a
> crowd, with people between me and the camera. I´ll be recording some
> back-up sound in DAT ou Minidisc in more difficult situations.
> What do you think - is the G2 good sounding and stable enough to be
> the link betwen me and the camera, considering that the audio in camera
> should be the final one, or should I rent two Lectro or similar radio
> mikes and forget about taking the chance to buy new radio mikes?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Tony Muricy
> Rio de Janeiro
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

"Karl W. Lohninger" <XXsound.DeleteThis@XXirisartist.com> wrote in message
news:BFBF0BE2.18B79%XXsound@XXirisartist.com...
> It's quite simple:
>
> if you want to work again with this production you might not want to use a
> G2 - despite what other participants here say. Besides the issue of
> standing
> close enough to the camera, the G2's sound quality can be quite annoying
> especially on locations with a fair amount of back ground noise.
>
> There is a professional way and there is an amateur way - if it's an
> amateur
> show, don't worry, if it's supposed to be professional even if they use
> amateur cameras (mini-DV) then do worry;-)
>
> Karl
>
>

What's your definition of a professional show?

Steve King
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

My definition of 'professional' is the opposite of: 'it might probably work'
if I can only stay close enough to that friggin' camera ' where the hell is
did he go now, god, so many people, hello.....uh over there, geez I hope my
wireless didn't cut out and I hope someone is actually monitoring my audio
link - pleazzzze - and if all fails I will tell them that I have a real high
quality backup on some mini disk recorder and if they take the time they,
ummhh, might find the right take, at least I hope and I gotta save money
somewhere that's why I use the really good 'Sennheisers' so I can pay off my
Octava mic (which is practically the same as the 'Schoeps' you know;-0

I hope you get the idea....

Karl



On 12/9/05 11:00 AM, in article
2qydnTr2dbbOSQTenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com, "Steve King"
<steveSPAMBLOCK.RemoveThis@stevekingSPAMBLOCK.net> wrote:

> "Karl W. Lohninger" <XXsound.RemoveThis@XXirisartist.com> wrote in message
> news:BFBF0BE2.18B79%XXsound@XXirisartist.com...
>> It's quite simple:
>>
>> if you want to work again with this production you might not want to use a
>> G2 - despite what other participants here say. Besides the issue of
>> standing
>> close enough to the camera, the G2's sound quality can be quite annoying
>> especially on locations with a fair amount of back ground noise.
>>
>> There is a professional way and there is an amateur way - if it's an
>> amateur
>> show, don't worry, if it's supposed to be professional even if they use
>> amateur cameras (mini-DV) then do worry;-)
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>
> What's your definition of a professional show?
>
> Steve King
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

"Karl W. Lohninger" <XXsound.DeleteThis@XXirisartist.com> wrote in message
news:BFBF2663.18BB5%XXsound@XXirisartist.com...
> My definition of 'professional' is the opposite of: 'it might probably
> work'
> if I can only stay close enough to that friggin' camera ' where the hell
> is
> did he go now, god, so many people, hello.....uh over there, geez I hope
> my
> wireless didn't cut out and I hope someone is actually monitoring my audio
> link - pleazzzze - and if all fails I will tell them that I have a real
> high
> quality backup on some mini disk recorder and if they take the time they,
> ummhh, might find the right take, at least I hope and I gotta save money
> somewhere that's why I use the really good 'Sennheisers' so I can pay off
> my
> Octava mic (which is practically the same as the 'Schoeps' you know;-0
>
> I hope you get the idea....
>
> Karl

I'm really not trying to pick a fight, so be easy on me. Have you ever used
the G2s? I have. I haven't heard the sound differences that you describe.
But, I've only got 30+ years experience, so what do I know. (I will do the
key jangle test at my first opportunity to compare the G2 to Lectro or
Zaxcom. However, in studios with excellent monitoring systems the G2s sound
okay on the docs and corporate projects I do.) Have you had hits when you
wouldn't expect them using higher cost non-diversity wireless systems? I
haven't. I've used them on documentaries and corporate productions. I've
used them in steel mills with LOTS of ambience, in center city Chicago
hotels, in power generation stations, and on many construction sites. Never
a problem. Would you have made the comment you did about 'professional
shows', which -- I'm sorry -- sounded a little arrogant to me, if we had
been talking about other non-diversity wireless systems if they had Lectro
or Audio Ltd. labels?

From your description above, it sounds like you do ENG work. (I suppose I
could tell if I reviewed all your posts, but I'm short of time today. If
you pride yourself on operating in the rarified air of feature motion
pictures, I apologize.) Would I choose the G2s over a diverisity system for
ENG or in the crowded out of control situation you describe so well above?
Probably not. But, to indirectly paint all who use them as non-professional
is simply disrespectful.

I know that we all have our own perspective on which gear is "good" and
which is "bad". However, much of the time posters here don't provide the
context for their comments. Or they apply the standards that apply to their
typical jobs to some totally different application. It makes it difficult
to judge the worth of their opinions. Sort of like saying that a, "Schoeps
is a bad choice as a plant mic", while failing to point out that the plant
is in an automobile about to be crushed.

Steve King
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

they pay me :-), and except make money from the investment ( in any way)
Tony in short range you will probably be ok without dropouts , soundwise
they are not grate at all


--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland

"
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

Dear Steve King,

I gave my opinion about a piece of equipment and you can do with it whatever
you want. You can question my experience, you can 'not trying to pick a
fight', which of course is exactly what you're trying do to, but then you
could also take it as what it is, an opinion that's different to yours and
maybe the whole world, but hey so what....

If you're happy with that specific item, be happy.

Karl





On 12/9/05 1:52 PM, in article 44udnVRF0N_nYQTeRVn-tg DeleteThis @comcast.com, "Steve
King" <steveSPAMBLOCK DeleteThis @stevekingSPAMBLOCK.net> wrote:

> "Karl W. Lohninger" <XXsound DeleteThis @XXirisartist.com> wrote in message
> news:BFBF2663.18BB5%XXsound@XXirisartist.com...
>> My definition of 'professional' is the opposite of: 'it might probably
>> work'
>> if I can only stay close enough to that friggin' camera ' where the hell
>> is
>> did he go now, god, so many people, hello.....uh over there, geez I hope
>> my
>> wireless didn't cut out and I hope someone is actually monitoring my audio
>> link - pleazzzze - and if all fails I will tell them that I have a real
>> high
>> quality backup on some mini disk recorder and if they take the time they,
>> ummhh, might find the right take, at least I hope and I gotta save money
>> somewhere that's why I use the really good 'Sennheisers' so I can pay off
>> my
>> Octava mic (which is practically the same as the 'Schoeps' you know;-0
>>
>> I hope you get the idea....
>>
>> Karl
>
> I'm really not trying to pick a fight, so be easy on me. Have you ever used
> the G2s? I have. I haven't heard the sound differences that you describe.
> But, I've only got 30+ years experience, so what do I know. (I will do the
> key jangle test at my first opportunity to compare the G2 to Lectro or
> Zaxcom. However, in studios with excellent monitoring systems the G2s sound
> okay on the docs and corporate projects I do.) Have you had hits when you
> wouldn't expect them using higher cost non-diversity wireless systems? I
> haven't. I've used them on documentaries and corporate productions. I've
> used them in steel mills with LOTS of ambience, in center city Chicago
> hotels, in power generation stations, and on many construction sites. Never
> a problem. Would you have made the comment you did about 'professional
> shows', which -- I'm sorry -- sounded a little arrogant to me, if we had
> been talking about other non-diversity wireless systems if they had Lectro
> or Audio Ltd. labels?
>
> From your description above, it sounds like you do ENG work. (I suppose I
> could tell if I reviewed all your posts, but I'm short of time today. If
> you pride yourself on operating in the rarified air of feature motion
> pictures, I apologize.) Would I choose the G2s over a diverisity system for
> ENG or in the crowded out of control situation you describe so well above?
> Probably not. But, to indirectly paint all who use them as non-professional
> is simply disrespectful.
>
> I know that we all have our own perspective on which gear is "good" and
> which is "bad". However, much of the time posters here don't provide the
> context for their comments. Or they apply the standards that apply to their
> typical jobs to some totally different application. It makes it difficult
> to judge the worth of their opinions. Sort of like saying that a, "Schoeps
> is a bad choice as a plant mic", while failing to point out that the plant
> is in an automobile about to be crushed.
>
> Steve King
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

Well, on a less personal level....

Tony,
The G2s for what they are, and their price point, are my favorite in
the low-end of wireless (at-leased as low as I would go). They have
great features and whistles that were unheard of when the lectro 195
for example, was the professional high-end choice of ENG mixers. But
when you talk about reliability, robustness, range and sound quality
the 195 lectro kills the G2 hands down. I've used the G2 on many shows
for wireless Time code to a TS-3 slate or wireless TC from a camera to
my 744T and I've sent it to DV cams for Reference tracks and it works
great, but I would never make a G2 my un-monitored main audio send.
This is last place that you have control over the audio and if it
screws up then you're f-ed.
On a Television Comedy/drama Pilot I did a few months ago I used the
G2s to send reference to the Panasonic DX100-As. They worked great
being small enough with the little mount to ride on top of the camera
and out of the way of the camera guy, but when I listened to dailies
from the G2s camera audio the sound was lifeless, noisy and noticeably
campanded. When checking out the edit I heard the Sound difference
between my synced 744T Tracks against the G2. It was amazing. It was
night and day. 744T sounds awesome of course but hearing what a
wireless system can do to quiet dialog is astonishing. There were also
hits on the camera audio due to the lack of diversity antennas and my
cart was no more that 25ft from the camera.
So as a camera link go with the Lectro 201s and nothing less or if you
want to spend about the same for a killer set-up get a Zaxcom Stereo
camera link. I use a Zaxcom system with on of my G2s as a HP return,
since the sound of a digital drop-out on the Zaxcom is unique to the G2
drop out it makes for more confidence that what you hear is what
you're getting. I know your budget is tight, but you are better to
invest in proven gear that will sustain your career. Good luck and
Happy Holidays,
Cheers,
Austin Storms
Los Angeles, CA
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

Austin Storms wrote:
> So as a camera link go with the Lectro 201s and nothing less

Austin
Excellent post, but I'd like to mention that I have the 201 & 195D's. I
was in an airport and was getting killed with my 201. I switched to my
195D and all the hits went away. The wide front end of the 201 makes it
inferior to the 195D and the other 200 series Lectros.
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

Austin Storms wrote:

On a Television Comedy/drama Pilot I did a few months ago I used the
G2s to send reference to the Panasonic DX100-As. They worked great
being small enough with the little mount to ride on top of the camera

and out of the way of the camera guy, but when I listened to dailies
from the G2s camera audio the sound was lifeless, noisy and noticeably

campanded. When checking out the edit I heard the Sound difference
between my synced 744T Tracks against the G2. It was amazing. It was

night and day. 744T sounds awesome of course but hearing what a
wireless system can do to quiet dialog is astonishing. There were also

hits on the camera audio due to the lack of diversity antennas and my

cart was no more that 25ft from the camera.

Austin,

Talking about the quality of the sound, are you sure that the
adjustments of the transmitter, receiver and cam were correct?
Or if didn't do necessary this concern?

Gabriel
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

This is the same system in different body , no change in specifications or
performers

--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland

<marcoleavitt.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Steve,
> Are you referring to the 500 or the 100 series G2s?
>
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound? 

What is the logic behind having a "wide front end?" better dynamic range?,
better usable range (distance)?

-Jason

"xort" <ekcine.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Austin Storms wrote:
> > So as a camera link go with the Lectro 201s and nothing less
>
> Austin
> Excellent post, but I'd like to mention that I have the 201 & 195D's. I
> was in an airport and was getting killed with my 201. I switched to my
> 195D and all the hits went away. The wide front end of the 201 makes it
> inferior to the 195D and the other 200 series Lectros.
>
 >> Stay informed about: G2 Wireless for radio link between camera and sound?