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Dr. Jai Maharaj

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:04 pm
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Hollywood comedian Bob Hope passes away

By T. V. Parasuram in Washington
PTI
Monday, July 28, 2003

Legendary Hollywood comedian Bob Hope died of pneumonia
on Monday at his home in Toluca Lake in California, less
than two months after turning 100.

Known as 'the master of the one-liners', he took some of
Hollywood's most beautiful stars to entertain troops in
every war in which the United States was involved, but
was untouched by gossip or scandal.

His longtime publicist Ward Grant said Hope's family was
at his bedside when he passed away.

The nation's most-honoured comedian, a millionaire many
times over, was a star in every category open to him --
vaudeville, radio, television and film, most notably a
string of Road movies with longtime friend Bing Crosby.

For decades, he took his show on the road to bases around
the world, boosting the morale of servicemen from World
War II to the Gulf War.

President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope and
said, "We'll mourn the loss of a good man."

Film critics have noted that he perfected the one-liner,
peppering audiences with a fusillade of brief, topical
gags.

"I bumped into Gerald Ford the other day. I said, 'Pardon
me.' He said, 'I don't do that anymore.'" (That was a
reference to the fact that Ford, with a football injury
when he was a star player, would sometimes fall).

Hope poked fun gently, without malice, and made himself
the butt of many jokes. His golf scores and physical
attributes, including his celebrated ski-jump nose, were
frequent subjects: "I want to tell you, I was built like
an athlete once - big chest, hard stomach. Of course,
that's all behind me now."

Hope earned a fortune, gave lavishly to charity and was
showered with awards, so many that he had to rent a
warehouse to store them.

He headlined in so many war zones that he had a standard
joke for the times he was interrupted by gunfire: "I
wonder which one of my pictures they saw?"

On his 100th birthday, he was too frail to take part in
public celebrations, but was said to be alert and happy -
- and overwhelmed by the outpouring of affection. The
fabled intersection of Hollywood Boulevard and Vine
Street was renamed Bob Hope Square, and President Bush
established the Bob Hope American Patriot Award.

He was born Leslie Townes Hope on May 29, 1903, in
Eltham, England, the fifth of seven sons of a British
stonemason and a Welsh singer of light opera. The Hopes
emigrated to the US when he was 4 and settled in
Cleveland.

They found themselves in the backwash of the 1907
depression.

The boy helped out by selling newspapers and working in a
shoe store, a drug store and a meat market. He also
worked as a caddy and developed a lifelong fondness for
golf. A highly competitive golfer, he later shot in the
70s and sponsored the Bob Hope Golf Classic, one of the
nation's biggest tournaments.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:25 pm
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet RemoveThis @mantra.com> wrote in message
news:Obits-1211.20030728@news.mantra.com...
> Hollywood comedian Bob Hope passes away
>
> By T. V. Parasuram in Washington
> PTI
> Monday, July 28, 2003
>
> Legendary Hollywood comedian Bob Hope died of pneumonia
> on Monday at his home in Toluca Lake in California, less
> than two months after turning 100.

Good man, good innings. Thank goodness there is loads of his work available
to keep us all smiling.

> President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope and
> said, "We'll mourn the loss of a good man."

Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:25 pm
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"Brian Watson" <brian RemoveThis @spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes:

> Condoled? What the hell does that mean?

Is your dictionary broken?

-Dave
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:25 pm
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In article <bg3tc0$mdb$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
"Brian Watson" <brian.RemoveThis@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
> --

You could look it up. But since you haven't here goes:

condole (ken-dol›) verb, intransitive
condoled, condoling, condoles
To express sympathy or sorrow: I condoled with him in his loss.
[Late Latin condolêre, to feel another's pain : Latin com-, com- + Latin
dolêre, to grieve.]
- condo›lato´ry (-do›le-tôr´ê, -tor´ê) adjective
- condol›er noun
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:40 pm
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In the previous article, Brian Watson <news DeleteThis @spheroid.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> > President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope and
> > said, "We'll mourn the loss of a good man."
>
> Condoled? What the hell does that mean?

It means what it sounds like it means, both as the root of
"condolence" and in the context of that sentence.

You know, if you have Internet access, you have a dictionary at hand.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:45 pm
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"Dave Sill" <MaxFreedom.TakeThisOut@sws5.ornl.gov> wrote in message
news:wx0fzkql9eq.fsf@sws5.ornl.gov...
> "Brian Watson" <brian.TakeThisOut@spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
>
> Is your dictionary broken?

No, but it appears my language is.

Since when has there been a transitive verb "to condole", in other words,
without a "with" going after it?

A person can condole with someone who has recently been bereaved, or express
their condolences, but "President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope"
makes no sense.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:49 pm
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"MC" <copeSPAMZAP.RemoveThis@ca.inter.net> wrote in message
news:copeSPAMZAP-83685D.16043128072003@mail.inter.net...
> In article <bg3tc0$mdb$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Brian Watson" <brian.RemoveThis@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
> > --
>
> You could look it up. But since you haven't here goes:
>
> condole (ken-dol›) verb, intransitive
> condoled, condoling, condoles
> To express sympathy or sorrow: I condoled with him in his loss.
> [Late Latin condolêre, to feel another's pain : Latin com-, com- + Latin
> dolêre, to grieve.]
> - condo›lato´ry (-do›le-tôr´ê, -tor´ê) adjective
> - condol›er noun

See my other reply.

My dictionary gives a similar entry, but the thing about the verb "condole"
is that it needs a "with" after it.

"President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope" makes no sense.


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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:37 am
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In article <bg3tc0$mdb$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
"Brian Watson" <news.TakeThisOut@spheroid.demon.co.uk> posted:
>
>
> "Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet.TakeThisOut@mantra.com> wrote in message
> news:Obits-1211.20030728@news.mantra.com...
> > Hollywood comedian Bob Hope passes away
> >
> > By T. V. Parasuram in Washington
> > PTI
> > Monday, July 28, 2003
> >
> > Legendary Hollywood comedian Bob Hope died of pneumonia
> > on Monday at his home in Toluca Lake in California, less
> > than two months after turning 100.
>
> Good man, good innings. Thank goodness there is loads of his work available
> to keep us all smiling.
>
> > President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope and
> > said, "We'll mourn the loss of a good man."
>
> Condoled? What the hell does that mean?

You can't figure out what it could or should mean?

*---===== English is Munglish =====---*

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:38 am
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In article <wx0fzkql9eq.fsf.TakeThisOut@sws5.ornl.gov>,
Dave Sill <MaxFreedom.TakeThisOut@sws5.ornl.gov> posted:
>
> "Brian Watson" <brian.TakeThisOut@spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
>
> Is your dictionary broken?
>
> -Dave

Perhaps the common sense is on vacation.

*---===== English is Munglish =====---*

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:39 am
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In article <bg429v$t6g$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
"Brian Watson" <news.TakeThisOut@spheroid.demon.co.uk> posted:
>
>
> "Dave Sill" <MaxFreedom.TakeThisOut@sws5.ornl.gov> wrote in message
> news:wx0fzkql9eq.fsf@sws5.ornl.gov...
> > "Brian Watson" <brian.TakeThisOut@spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > > Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
> >
> > Is your dictionary broken?
>
> No, but it appears my language is.
>
> Since when has there been a transitive verb "to condole", in other words,
> without a "with" going after it?
>
> A person can condole with someone who has recently been bereaved, or express
> their condolences, but "President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope"
> makes no sense.

Forget the rules when it comes to Munglish; it's all about usage.

*---===== English is Munglish =====---*

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:07 am
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet.TakeThisOut@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:writing-12h99845f.20030728@news.mantra.com...
> In article <wx0fzkql9eq.fsf.TakeThisOut@sws5.ornl.gov>,
> Dave Sill <MaxFreedom.TakeThisOut@sws5.ornl.gov> posted:
> >
> > "Brian Watson" <brian.TakeThisOut@spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > > Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
> >
> > Is your dictionary broken?
>
> Perhaps the common sense is on vacation.

The ability and professionalism of the writer obviously is.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:11 am
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet RemoveThis @mantra.com> wrote in message
news:writing-12j9845f.20030728@news.mantra.com...
> In article <bg429v$t6g$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Brian Watson" <news RemoveThis @spheroid.demon.co.uk> posted:

> > A person can condole with someone who has recently been bereaved, or
express
> > their condolences, but "President George W Bush condoled the death of
Hope"
> > makes no sense.
>
> Forget the rules when it comes to Munglish; it's all about usage.
>
> *---===== English is Munglish =====---*

No it isn't. Munglish, as you call it, is sloppy research and writing.

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or in a subway station ahead of me. Within a few hours I get a phone call
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:25 am
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In article <bg57uf$2bh$2$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
"Brian Watson" <news DeleteThis @spheroid.demon.co.uk> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
> news:writing-12h99845f.20030728@news.mantra.com...
> > In article <wx0fzkql9eq.fsf DeleteThis @sws5.ornl.gov>,
> > Dave Sill <MaxFreedom DeleteThis @sws5.ornl.gov> posted:
> > >
> > > "Brian Watson" <brian DeleteThis @spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes:
> > >
> > > > Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
> > >
> > > Is your dictionary broken?
> >
> > Perhaps the common sense is on vacation.

> The ability and professionalism of the writer obviously is.

The author of the news item was able to earn his
pay by writing it, thus demonstrating his ability
to engage in his profession.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:11 pm
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"Graham" ...

> "J.D. Baldwin" ...

> > Brian Watson:

> > > > President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope and
> > > > said, "We'll mourn the loss of a good man."
> > >
> > > Condoled? What the hell does that mean?

> > It means what it sounds like it means, both as the root of
> > "condolence" and in the context of that sentence.
> >
> > You know, if you have Internet access, you have a dictionary at hand.

> the word was correct..how it was used in a sentence was not

Numb and dumb is not only restricted to politics in americaaaaa.

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:28 pm
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MC <copeSPAMZAP.DeleteThis@ca.inter.net> wrote in message news:<copeSPAMZAP-83685D.16043128072003.DeleteThis@mail.inter.net>...
> In article <bg3tc0$mdb$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Brian Watson" <brian.DeleteThis@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Condoled? What the hell does that mean?
> > --
>
> You could look it up. But since you haven't here goes:
>
> condole (ken-dol?) verb, intransitive
> condoled, condoling, condoles
> To express sympathy or sorrow: I condoled with him in his loss.
> [Late Latin condolêre, to feel another's pain : Latin com-, com- + Latin
> dolêre, to grieve.]
> - condo?lato´ry (-do?le-tôr´ê, -tor´ê) adjective
> - condol?er noun

Note that it says "intransitive". There's no warrant there for
"President George W Bush condoled the death of Hope". (I wonder
whether this is a sneaky pun.)

I haven't seen a comment on the following paragraph of the article (by
T. V. Parasuram, quoted by an annoying person):

"I bumped into Gerald Ford the other day. I said, 'Pardon
me.' He said, 'I don't do that anymore.'" (That was a
reference to the fact that Ford, with a football injury
when he was a star player, would sometimes fall).

Parasuram missed the reference to American politics, namely Ford's
ethically and legally suspect "proactive" pardon of his predecessor,
Richard Nixon. The word "from" also seems to be missing after
"injury".

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