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Bob Champ

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:59 pm
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Just curious as to where I might find a good DVD or VHS copy of Robert
Wiene's _The Hands of Orlac. I recently bought a DVD through Grapevine
Video but am not happy with it. The print is bad, the dialog cards are
subtitled in Spanish, and the score is--well, whoever decided that this
was a good score for the movie should have been stood up against a
wall.

The movie itself I liked. Conrad Veidt really is creepy in the role of
Orlac, a pianist whose hands are crushed in a railway accident and who
undergoes an operation in which he is given the hands of a criminal (at
a time, of course, when such transplants could not be done). Indeed,
he is creepier here than in _The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari_. The story
builds up to an interesting conclusion, although the latter is more a
Hollywood ending than a Germanic one. A somewhat irritating technique
was to exaggerate the movements of all the actors. The whole movie
seems to have been made in slow motion.

Bob Champ

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:53 am
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Bob Champ wrote:
> Just curious as to where I might find a good DVD or VHS copy of Robert
> Wiene's _The Hands of Orlac. I recently bought a DVD through Grapevine
> Video but am not happy with it. The print is bad, the dialog cards are
> subtitled in Spanish, and the score is--well, whoever decided that this
> was a good score for the movie should have been stood up against a
> wall.
>
I've seen the dvd issued by a small Spanish outlet (presumably
this is the version used by Grapevine) and the music is indeed awful.
A few years ago ARTE showed the best, most complete copy of the
film. The music is pretty eerie and fits for the most part but at one
point-when Orlac goes to the police station-things get a bit crazy on
the soundtrack with multiple voices (sounding like newscasters) talking
about different people who've lost their hands! Unfortunately, this
version of the film hasn't been given a proper dvd release.
The film has its flaws-especially that rather anticlimatic
finale-but the atmosphere is great and there are some superb
moments-the search through the trainwreck, Orlac at the hospital and
later his hallucination in the cafe when he reads about the man whose
hands he has been given.
Henry Nicolella

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Eric Grayson

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:35 pm
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There are a number of prints of this out there:

a) A Rohauer version with flash titles, cut for time.
b) A Russian version, cut for horror content.
c) Whatever version you just found!
d) LSVideo's reconstruction of 2-3 different prints, which has had its
own detractors around here, but contains most of the key footage (at
least).
e) A version from a German archive that has time code at the bottom of
it and appears to be a little more complete, with better image quality,
albeit with German titles.

I think there's a bugaboo with rights on this one so I'm not sure what
will happen with it.

Eric



In article <1154476749.999733.123680 DeleteThis @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, Bob
Champ <robertchamp2002 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> Just curious as to where I might find a good DVD or VHS copy of Robert
> Wiene's _The Hands of Orlac. I recently bought a DVD through Grapevine
> Video but am not happy with it. The print is bad, the dialog cards are
> subtitled in Spanish, and the score is--well, whoever decided that this
> was a good score for the movie should have been stood up against a
> wall.
>
> The movie itself I liked. Conrad Veidt really is creepy in the role of
> Orlac, a pianist whose hands are crushed in a railway accident and who
> undergoes an operation in which he is given the hands of a criminal (at
> a time, of course, when such transplants could not be done). Indeed,
> he is creepier here than in _The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari_. The story
> builds up to an interesting conclusion, although the latter is more a
> Hollywood ending than a Germanic one. A somewhat irritating technique
> was to exaggerate the movements of all the actors. The whole movie
> seems to have been made in slow motion.
>
> Bob Champ
>
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Robert Miller

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:16 am
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Format-converted, analog multi-dubs of several ultra-rare silents shown on
ARTE have circulated on the collector's market for years, so I understand,
and the quality of many of the copies is, indeed, quite poor.

Can anyone tell us more about the process by which ARTE originally acquired
their source material (from archives, studios, or private sources), exactly
which titles were involved, and whether such telecasts are still being done
today?



<hnicolella.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:

> A few years ago ARTE showed the best, most complete copy of the
> film.
>
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SilentMicky

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:03 pm
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ARTE broadcasts one silent movie a month, mostly french and german
movies from the archives.

ARTE is a german and french government controlled channel and is
financed by tv-fees from the geman and french public. The german films
come from the german archives, the french from the archives or Lobster
Films and sometimes they show *foreign* stuff from Film Preservation
Associates and such..


Robert Miller wrote:
> Format-converted, analog multi-dubs of several ultra-rare silents shown on
> ARTE have circulated on the collector's market for years, so I understand,
> and the quality of many of the copies is, indeed, quite poor.
>
> Can anyone tell us more about the process by which ARTE originally acquired
> their source material (from archives, studios, or private sources), exactly
> which titles were involved, and whether such telecasts are still being done
> today?
>
>
>
> <hnicolella DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> A few years ago ARTE showed the best, most complete copy of the
>> film.
>>
>
>
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SilentMicky

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:21 pm
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the Murnau Foundation, who holds the rights on this film, and the
Deutsches Institut fuer Filmkunde undertook a reconstruction of ORLACS
HAENDE in 1995 after they discovered the original german intertitles at
the JUGOSLOVENSKA KINOTEKAK in Belgrad.

I haven't yet checked my ARTE-recording if it's this restored version..
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:48 pm
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SilentMicky wrote:
> the Murnau Foundation, who holds the rights on this film, and the
> Deutsches Institut fuer Filmkunde undertook a reconstruction of ORLACS
> HAENDE in 1995 after they discovered the original german intertitles at
> the JUGOSLOVENSKA KINOTEKAK in Belgrad.
>
> I haven't yet checked my ARTE-recording if it's this restored version..

So when is this baby going to get released on DVD, like the
reconstructions of METROPOLIS and DR. MABUSE: THE GAMBLER? I saw the
LS Video "reconstruction", and even though the print and the music were
terrible, I loved it.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:53 pm
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WaverBoy wrote:
> SilentMicky wrote:
> > the Murnau Foundation, who holds the rights on this film, and the
> > Deutsches Institut fuer Filmkunde undertook a reconstruction of ORLACS
> > HAENDE in 1995 after they discovered the original german intertitles at
> > the JUGOSLOVENSKA KINOTEKAK in Belgrad.
> >
> > I haven't yet checked my ARTE-recording if it's this restored version..
>
> So when is this baby going to get released on DVD, like the
> reconstructions of METROPOLIS and DR. MABUSE: THE GAMBLER? I saw the
> LS Video "reconstruction", and even though the print and the music were
> terrible, I loved it.

No doubt when someone actually remembers the film. In the case of
METROPOLIS or MABUSE, these are well established films that are
(relatively) well known in film circles. ORLAC, which is an
interesting film in itself (although more masterfully retold in MGM's
MAD LOVE), is not a particularly well known film, and will probably
take a bit longer than the rest to see the light of day.

Miracles do happen, however!

J. Theakston
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mikegebert

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:57 am
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If you want to see a film like The Hands of Orlac get released, the
best thing you could do is go buy the newest releases of German
silents, Asphalt and Warning Shadows, from Kino, and prove there's a
market for titles other than Metropolis and Nosferatu.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:34 pm
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J. Theakston wrote:
> WaverBoy wrote:
> > SilentMicky wrote:
> > > the Murnau Foundation, who holds the rights on this film, and the
> > > Deutsches Institut fuer Filmkunde undertook a reconstruction of ORLACS
> > > HAENDE in 1995 after they discovered the original german intertitles at
> > > the JUGOSLOVENSKA KINOTEKAK in Belgrad.
> > >
> > > I haven't yet checked my ARTE-recording if it's this restored version..
> >
> > So when is this baby going to get released on DVD, like the
> > reconstructions of METROPOLIS and DR. MABUSE: THE GAMBLER? I saw the
> > LS Video "reconstruction", and even though the print and the music were
> > terrible, I loved it.
>
> No doubt when someone actually remembers the film. In the case of
> METROPOLIS or MABUSE, these are well established films that are
> (relatively) well known in film circles. ORLAC, which is an
> interesting film in itself (although more masterfully retold in MGM's
> MAD LOVE), is not a particularly well known film, and will probably
> take a bit longer than the rest to see the light of day.
>
> Miracles do happen, however!

There are lots of Kino and Image DVD releases of silent films at least
as obscure as ORLAC...am I missing something?

>
> J. Theakston
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Eric Grayson

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:13 pm
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Orlac has some nasty rights issues around it as I recall. I would have
to go to the delightful Library of Congress site with the GATT
information on it to find out for certain, but I belive it has
underlying rights that are not owned by Transit in Germany, which means
that a release here is hard. I seem to recall it's not strictly a
German film, but rather an Austrian film from the finance point of
view, and thus a little different.

Again, this is from some fuzzy memories. If someone really wants me to
dig it up again, I will.

Eric


In article <1155004444.774416.63960 DeleteThis @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
WaverBoy <waverboy DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> J. Theakston wrote:
> > WaverBoy wrote:
> > > SilentMicky wrote:
> > > > the Murnau Foundation, who holds the rights on this film, and the
> > > > Deutsches Institut fuer Filmkunde undertook a reconstruction of ORLACS
> > > > HAENDE in 1995 after they discovered the original german intertitles at
> > > > the JUGOSLOVENSKA KINOTEKAK in Belgrad.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't yet checked my ARTE-recording if it's this restored version..
> > >
> > > So when is this baby going to get released on DVD, like the
> > > reconstructions of METROPOLIS and DR. MABUSE: THE GAMBLER? I saw the
> > > LS Video "reconstruction", and even though the print and the music were
> > > terrible, I loved it.
> >
> > No doubt when someone actually remembers the film. In the case of
> > METROPOLIS or MABUSE, these are well established films that are
> > (relatively) well known in film circles. ORLAC, which is an
> > interesting film in itself (although more masterfully retold in MGM's
> > MAD LOVE), is not a particularly well known film, and will probably
> > take a bit longer than the rest to see the light of day.
> >
> > Miracles do happen, however!
>
> There are lots of Kino and Image DVD releases of silent films at least
> as obscure as ORLAC...am I missing something?
>
> >
> > J. Theakston
>
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