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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:16 am
Post subject: Harry Potter 4 Goblet of Fire movie
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Saw the movie last night. In keeping with movie-newsgroup conventions
I won't insert spoilers, though I dislike that method of discussion.
The 4th book is my least favorite, mostly because of the Mad-Eye Moody
character, who seems implausible with _NAME_CENSORED_ acting as Moody.
It's also totally unbelievable, and unexplicable, how the switch occurred
inside Hogwarts, as seems the intention (Moody is found locked up).
The movie does nothing to dispell this plot problem.
Question: what happened to Alfonso Cuarón? He did a great job with
Prisoner of Azkaban. I don't feel that Mike Newell was up to directing
the Goblet of Fire. Certainly the editing needs improvement. At minimum
there are many scenes that should have been cut. Many important scenes
are missing, though that's par for the course with movies. The tone of
the movie seems to alternate between schlock romanticism (as in 4 Weddings
and a Funeral?) and trying to be scary but not succeeding. Missing is the
personal interaction and portrayal of friendship that made Cuarón's work
so compelling.
The acting is completely excellent, though I'll need to enable subtitles
(on the eventual DVD) to understand some of Ron's mumbling and Hermione's
fast slurred speech. I wish Snape (Rickman) had been given more scenes,
and that Dumbledore hadn't been so undermined by the director.
Special effects are excellent as well, no complaints. I could be wrong,
but the editing seems to be the problem, not the script. Hopefully they
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:09 pm
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
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> Question: what happened to Alfonso Cuarón? He did a great job with
> Prisoner of Azkaban. I don't feel that Mike Newell was up to directing
> the Goblet of Fire.
Well, too bad, since Warner was on an assembly line, and--unlike
Hermione--Cuaron couldn't be directing two movies at the exact same time...
Hence Warner's idea of getting three people to work at once.
(Assuming Mira Nair and/or David Yates is still on for Movie 5, and boy,
have THEY got their work cut out for them. -_- )
> Maybe Peter Jackson could help.
Naw, he's too busy directing every OTHER mega-fantasy series that fans
begged him to... ;)
Derek Janssen (who still wishes Peter had done that genital-surgery
movie next instead, just to see the look on their faces)
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:16 pm
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I haven't read any of the books, and I don't intend to. I did see the
first Potter movie, and I was really disappointed by how flat the whole
thing was. How is Potter 2-3? Are they worth watching?
Is 4 enjoyable without watching 2-3? Or, must I see the other Potter
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:51 pm
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DaLoverhino wrote:
> I haven't read any of the books, and I don't intend to. I did see the
> first Potter movie, and I was really disappointed by how flat the whole
> thing was. How is Potter 2-3? Are they worth watching?
#2 finally has a plot, even if a disposable one, and #3 is less fun and
more canon-disposable, but at least dark-stylish enough to get you into
the "Chris Columbus don't hang around here no more" mood, now that the
second half of the story arc starts gearing up for the Serious Stuff.
> Is 4 enjoyable without watching 2-3? Or, must I see the other Potter
> movies?
It's *possible*, but a quick rent of #3 wouldn't hurt a few
recurring-character refs.
(And to preserve RAB content, a quick brief through #2 would help before
taking on Book 6.)
Derek Janssen
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:37 am
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Once Upon A Time DaLoverhino wrote:
>I haven't read any of the books, and I don't intend to. I did see the
>first Potter movie, and I was really disappointed by how flat the whole
>thing was. How is Potter 2-3? Are they worth watching?
Yes, Emma Watson has filled out nicely. You'll love it.
**
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:46 am
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In article <437e2892.TakeThisOut@news.meer.net>, Bill Tuthill <can.TakeThisOut@spam.co> wrote:
> Saw the movie last night. In keeping with movie-newsgroup conventions
> I won't insert spoilers, though I dislike that method of discussion.
>
> The 4th book is my least favorite, mostly because of the Mad-Eye Moody
> character, who seems implausible with NAME CENSORED acting as Moody.
> It's also totally unbelievable, and unexplicable, how the switch occurred
> inside Hogwarts, as seems the intention (Moody is found locked up).
> The movie does nothing to dispell this plot problem.
>
> Question: what happened to Alfonso Cuarón? He did a great job with
> Prisoner of Azkaban. I don't feel that Mike Newell was up to directing
> the Goblet of Fire. Certainly the editing needs improvement. At minimum
> there are many scenes that should have been cut. Many important scenes
> are missing, though that's par for the course with movies. The tone of
> the movie seems to alternate between schlock romanticism (as in 4 Weddings
> and a Funeral?) and trying to be scary but not succeeding. Missing is the
> personal interaction and portrayal of friendship that made Cuarón's work
> so compelling.
Agreed.
> The acting is completely excellent, though I'll need to enable subtitles
> (on the eventual DVD) to understand some of Ron's mumbling and Hermione's
> fast slurred speech. I wish Snape (Rickman) had been given more scenes,
> and that Dumbledore hadn't been so undermined by the director.
Also agreed.
> Special effects are excellent as well, no complaints. I could be wrong,
> but the editing seems to be the problem, not the script.
That was my thought as well. My husband thought it a "muddled mess" and
he actually knew what was supposed to be going on. I was just confused
in general and I don't remember being confused by the others -even
though I have not read the books. Ah well. It was fun going on opening
day and watching the kids get all excited...before they started snoring
and fidgeting .
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:10 pm
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Derek Janssen wrote:
> DaLoverhino wrote:
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>> I haven't read any of the books, and I don't intend to. I did see the
>> first Potter movie, and I was really disappointed by how flat the whole
>> thing was. How is Potter 2-3? Are they worth watching?
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> #2 finally has a plot, even if a disposable one, and #3 is less fun and
> more canon-disposable, but at least dark-stylish enough
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:57 pm
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:48:13 -0500, Sean O'Hara wrote:
> In the Year of the Cock, the Great and Powerful Bill Tuthill declared:
>> The 4th book is my least favorite, mostly because of the Mad-Eye Moody
>> character, who seems implausible with _NAME_CENSORED_ acting as Moody.
>> It's also totally unbelievable, and unexplicable, how the switch occurred
>> inside Hogwarts, as seems the intention (Moody is found locked up).
>> The movie does nothing to dispell this plot problem.
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> Reading is fundamental. The book clearly states that the switch
> occurred at Moody's house the day before the start of term. The
> impostor brought Moody along in the trunk so he could provide
> ingredients for polyjuice potion.
Yeah, I'm surprised that anyone could get confused about this,
since it's explained so explicitly in the book.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:57 pm
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In rec.arts.books Jay G. <"Jay "@tmbg.org> wrote:
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>> Reading is fundamental. The book clearly states that the switch
>> occurred at Moody's house the day before the start of term. The
>> impostor brought Moody along in the trunk so he could provide
>> ingredients for polyjuice potion.
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> Yeah, I'm surprised that anyone could get confused about this,
> since it's explained so explicitly in the book.
I was confused for the following reasons:
1. Probably I was not paying attention at that point.
2. It does not seem like a Death Eater could smuggle a large trunk
containing a heavyweight live person past Hogwart's enchantments.
3. Barty Crouch Jr. does not have the personality to imitate someone,
especially a mad Auror, for an entire Hogwart's term.
4. The schoolchildren seem to think Barty-as-Moody is a good teacher.
5. It's hard to believe that a Death Eater could protect Harry to
the extent he did, even under orders from Voldemort.
6. Some teacher would likely have seen Barty during a period when
he's not imbibing Polyjuice potion.
7. Dumbledore should have figured this out.
Let's leave it at this: J.K. Rowling is a genius, but I believe
she should have found a better way (than the Moody substitution)
to get Harry's name into the Goblet.
By the way, the scene with Barty Crouch murdered is pointless
and a total waste of time in the movie, being unexplained in the
movie itself; only insiders know what happened, and they don't
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:44 pm
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:37:19 GMT, Captain Infinity
<Infinity.RemoveThis@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
>Once Upon A Time DaLoverhino wrote:
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>>I haven't read any of the books, and I don't intend to. I did see the
>>first Potter movie, and I was really disappointed by how flat the whole
>>thing was. How is Potter 2-3? Are they worth watching?
>
>Yes, Emma Watson has filled out nicely. You'll love it.
I'm wondering how many critics have fawned over this series because
they had to?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:00 pm
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In article <fP6gf.78710$rE2.49278@fe10.lga>,
"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne.TakeThisOut@attglobal.net> wrote:
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> While this is true, it's always a gamble dealing with child actors, so
> it's pleasant to know that Emma Watson is turning out nice-looking
> (remember, it's a plot point, after all).
Harry is becoming increasingly adorable..
Ruth, dirty old woman.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:34 am
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In rec.arts.books John W. Kennedy <jwkenne.DeleteThis@attglobal.net> wrote:
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>> I believe the BartyJr-as-Moody change was made in a later book revision.
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> It's in the first US printing, which was contemporary with the first UK
> printing.
I didn't say a later printing, I said a later book revision.
In other words, J.K. originally outlined a different plot, but later
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:57 am
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
> In rec.arts.books John W. Kennedy <jwkenne.RemoveThis@attglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>I believe the BartyJr-as-Moody change was made in a later book revision.
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>>It's in the first US printing, which was contemporary with the first UK
>>printing.
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> I didn't say a later printing, I said a later book revision.
> In other words, J.K. originally outlined a different plot, but later
> decided to have Barty Crouch Jr. impersonate Mad-Eye Moony.
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OKay. What do you see that makes you think Rowling changed her mind
about it as she wrote the book?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:40 am
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In rec.arts.books Eldritch <TiredofSppam RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> I didn't say a later printing, I said a later book revision.
>> In other words, J.K. originally outlined a different plot, but later
>> decided to have Barty Crouch Jr. impersonate Mad-Eye Moony.
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> OKay. What do you see that makes you think Rowling changed her mind
> about it as she wrote the book?
Aside from the ridiculous byzantine plot? I heard a rumor that she
had changed it, that's all.
There are many things wrong with the movie besides this aspect,
which isn't really something wrong with the movie, but with the book.
For example, the music. On second watching, the film Goblet of Fire
has one of the most tasteless musical scores I can recall. When it's
not trying to be "dark" it lapses into schmaltz. Not by John Williams
this time; by Patrick Doyle. Wonder how much money that saved?
I can't wait for the DVD to help decide where they went wrong. Was it
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