Hiding lavs under lots of winter layers.

On Nov 13, 6:14 pm, "sampul...@yahoo.co.uk" <sampul....TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Would anyone care to share (in detail!) their techniques for hiding
> lavs under winter clothing (scarves, jackets etc). I am having trouble
> avoiding rustle and sounding muffled.
> I'm using cos11s with rubber mounts and taping them into the jacket,
> but am just not happy.
>
> Also, any links to related articles?
>
> Thanks

Tram TR-50 on a vampire clip just inside the neck opening. Some
scarves (cashmere and similar) are pretty nearly acoustically
transparent and don't rustle at all - easy to "audition" in a
clothing store by just covering an ear with a scarf and listening to
what it does to sound. And then of course do some close-up rustling
and listen for what that sounds like. It has been my experience that
some scarves actually make hidden micing easier.
 >> Stay informed about: Hiding lavs under lots of winter layers. 

Inside the jacket will rarely work, you just need to look at the
outfit and figure out how you can get the mic exposed to the air, or
as close to it as possible. It helps to have different coloured mics.
If the jacket has a furry or fuzzy section, like around the neck or
collar, or if it is a fur coat (or furry scarf, etc), I often use a
Rycote windjammer of the same colour and tape it right to the outside
of the jacket... if you take some care, it usually blends in so that
no one ever knows the mic is sitting right out in the open, and you
avoid wind problems as well.

Rob
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"soundriven" <soundriven.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 13, 6:14 pm, "sampul...@yahoo.co.uk" <sampul....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Would anyone care to share (in detail!) their techniques for hiding
>> lavs under winter clothing (scarves, jackets etc). I am having trouble
>> avoiding rustle and sounding muffled.
>> I'm using cos11s with rubber mounts and taping them into the jacket,
>> but am just not happy.
>>
>> Also, any links to related articles?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> Tram TR-50 on a vampire clip just inside the neck opening. Some
> scarves (cashmere and similar) are pretty nearly acoustically
> transparent and don't rustle at all - easy to "audition" in a
> clothing store by just covering an ear with a scarf and listening to
> what it does to sound. And then of course do some close-up rustling
> and listen for what that sounds like. It has been my experience that
> some scarves actually make hidden micing easier.

Sometimes if lots of wind isn't an issue you can get away with making a tram
type mic look like a zipper pull and no one is the wiser.
 >> Stay informed about: Hiding lavs under lots of winter layers. 

On Nov 13, 1:16 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma....TakeThisOut@tomaras.com> wrote:
> "soundriven" <soundri....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194981176.495723.210960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 6:14 pm, "sampul...@yahoo.co.uk" <sampul....TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> Hello,
>
> >> Would anyone care to share (in detail!) their techniques for hiding
> >> lavs under winter clothing (scarves, jackets etc). I am having trouble
> >> avoiding rustle and sounding muffled.
> >> I'm using cos11s with rubber mounts and taping them into the jacket,
> >> but am just not happy.
>
> >> Also, any links to related articles?
>
> >> Thanks
>
> > Tram TR-50 on a vampire clip just inside the neck opening. Some
> > scarves (cashmere and similar) are pretty nearly acoustically
> > transparent and don't rustle at all - easy to "audition" in a
> > clothing store by just covering an ear with a scarf and listening to
> > what it does to sound. And then of course do some close-up rustling
> > and listen for what that sounds like. It has been my experience that
> > some scarves actually make hidden micing easier.
>
> Sometimes if lots of wind isn't an issue you can get away with making a tram
> type mic look like a zipper pull and no one is the wiser.

I agree with Charlie, sometimes the best place to hide a lav is
where's least expected & not buried into clothing...

~
Sergio
 >> Stay informed about: Hiding lavs under lots of winter layers. 

You cannot mount mics under winter clothes. Mounting under a cap at
the forehead or ear is good; the the large collars and such give you a
great deal of flexibility for external mounting.
 >> Stay informed about: Hiding lavs under lots of winter layers. 

<sampullen.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Would anyone care to share (in detail!) their techniques for hiding
> lavs under winter clothing (scarves, jackets etc). I am having trouble
> avoiding rustle and sounding muffled.
> I'm using cos11s with rubber mounts and taping them into the jacket,
> but am just not happy.
>
> Also, any links to related articles?
>
> Thanks
>

Sam,

Here's something that I've had some success with.
Get some really soft foam,there's some that is super soft.
Cut it into the shape and size of a human heart.
Its thickness should be about an inch and a half.
Make a slit from cleft of the heart down to the point
at the bottom by cutting into the foam about half way
through the thickness.
Place the lav so that it sticks out clear in the cleft, not
touching anything and the cable runs down and out
through the bottom point of the heart.
Secure with double-sided tape on both faces and place
in the center of the chest.This works best under a soft woollen
sweater and then the ski jacket on top.

If you want to hide it in a scarf use my rig that can be seen at
http://www.jwsound.net/SMF/index.php?topic=1679.0

Any questions,just ask.

Brian
 >> Stay informed about: Hiding lavs under lots of winter layers. 

Also some good tips at this site:

http://www.fieldsounds.co.nz/lapelmics.html
 >> Stay informed about: Hiding lavs under lots of winter layers. 

On Nov 14, 8:12 am, soundriven <soundri....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 6:14 pm, "sampul...@yahoo.co.uk" <sampul....TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > Would anyone care to share (in detail!) their techniques for hiding
> > lavs under winter clothing (scarves, jackets etc). I am having trouble
> > avoiding rustle and sounding muffled.
> > I'm using cos11s with rubber mounts and taping them into the jacket,
> > but am just not happy.
>
> > Also, any links to related articles?
>
> > Thanks
>
> Tram TR-50 on a vampire clip just inside the neck opening. Some
> scarves (cashmere and similar) are pretty nearly acoustically
> transparent and don't rustle at all - easy to "audition" in a
> clothing store by just covering an ear with a scarf and listening to
> what it does to sound. And then of course do some close-up rustling
> and listen for what that sounds like. It has been my experience that
> some scarves actually make hidden micing easier.

Thanks guys - I've put some comments from Charles and Soundriven on my
Q+A website.

http://www.fieldsounds.co.nz/lapelmics.html

Ande
 >> Stay informed about: Hiding lavs under lots of winter layers.