Horror movies

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:33:27 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:

> Just saw Hostel . Its a good slash and burn movie because its
>quite realistic . Rich American and German paying good money to
>torture people in Slovakia ,
> Good Bollywood movies are Raaz and one with sanjeev Kumar
>where he kills of his brides , cant remember the name

An Indian "Blue Beard??!"
-Rich
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Nick Macpherson wrote:

> moviePig wrote:
>
>>- - - - S P O I L E R - - - -
>>
>>habshi wrote:
>>
>>> Good Bollywood movies are Raaz and one with sanjeev Kumar
>>>where he kills of his brides , cant remember the name
>>
>>New to Usenet? Don't know about the Bollywood movies... but much of
>>HOSTEL is spent suspensefully uncovering what you just revealed...
>
> Habshi's not new to Usenet. He can usually be counted on to say
> something like, Munich was alright but it would've been better with
> some Bollywood style songs and dancing.

o/` "Guil-ty/Oh yes, I'm guil-ty/They said 'Shoot the guy', and I'm
wondering why, now I'm guil-ty..."

Derek Janssen
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On 13 Apr 2006 17:53:14 -0700, "Nick Macpherson" <NMacphe421.DeleteThis@AOL.com>
wrote:

>
>moviePig wrote:
>> - - - - S P O I L E R - - - -
>>
>> habshi wrote:
>> > Just saw Hostel . Its a good slash and burn movie because its
>> > quite realistic . Rich American and German paying good money to
>> > torture people in Slovakia ,
>> > Good Bollywood movies are Raaz and one with sanjeev Kumar
>> > where he kills of his brides , cant remember the name
>>
>> New to Usenet? Don't know about the Bollywood movies... but much of
>> HOSTEL is spent suspensefully uncovering what you just revealed...
>>
>Habshi's not new to Usenet. He can usually be counted on to say
>something like, Munich was alright but it would've been better with
>some Bollywood style songs and dancing.
>

You know, that's an interesting idea....

John Harkness
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John Harkness wrote:
>>
>>Habshi's not new to Usenet. He can usually be counted on to say
>>something like, Munich was alright but it would've been better with
>>some Bollywood style songs and dancing.
>
> You know, that's an interesting idea....

You'd think "Cop Rock" would've been a bigger hit, over there...

Derek Janssen (and "Newsies"--Just think of the profit loss Disney
could've finally made up!)
ejanss.TakeThisOut@comcast.net
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Actually that much info was given in the reviews at the cinema
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Nick Macpherson wrote:

> moviePig wrote:
>
>>- - - - S P O I L E R - - - -
>>
>>habshi wrote:
>>
>>>Just saw Hostel . Its a good slash and burn movie because its
>>>quite realistic . Rich American and German paying good money to
>>>torture people in Slovakia ,
>>> Good Bollywood movies are Raaz and one with sanjeev Kumar
>>>where he kills of his brides , cant remember the name
>>
>>New to Usenet? Don't know about the Bollywood movies... but much of
>>HOSTEL is spent suspensefully uncovering what you just revealed...
>>
>
> Habshi's not new to Usenet. He can usually be counted on to say
> something like, Munich was alright but it would've been better with
> some Bollywood style songs and dancing.


And would he be wrong?
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moviePig wrote:
> Nick Macpherson wrote:
> > moviePig wrote:
> > > - - - - S P O I L E R - - - -
> > >
> > > habshi wrote:
> > > > Just saw Hostel . Its a good slash and burn movie because its
> > > > quite realistic . Rich American and German paying good money to
> > > > torture people in Slovakia ,
> > > > Good Bollywood movies are Raaz and one with sanjeev Kumar
> > > > where he kills of his brides , cant remember the name
> > >
> > > New to Usenet? Don't know about the Bollywood movies... but much of
> > > HOSTEL is spent suspensefully uncovering what you just revealed...
> > >
> > Habshi's not new to Usenet. He can usually be counted on to say
> > something like, Munich was alright but it would've been better with
> > some Bollywood style songs and dancing.
> >
> > Raaz is in my Netflix queue by the way. I don't know if Netflix has
> > the one where sanjeev Kumar kills his brides tho'.
>
> According to IMDb, RAAZ is in the well-known Fantasy / Horror / Musical
> / Mystery / Romance / Thriller genre. (I guess Biographical
> Documentary wasn't in the budget...)
>
I'm so burned out on all the fantasy horror musical mystery romantic
thrillers I've seen recently that I'm hoping a viewing of Raaz might
re-energize me and get me back in the game.

Speaking tangentially about horror movies, I watched the latest from
Tobe Hooper last night, Mortuary, and like Slither, it's retro-80s
horror comedy (its success depending on one's tolerance for broad
laughs in a horror film and like Slither an awfully good approximation
of its influences). So is this a sea change? Instead of
retro-seventies slasher films, we're moving into retro-80s Return of
the Living Dead horror played for laughs?
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Raaz with Vipasha Basu is a superb movie . I took a goree to
see it and even though it had no subtitles (but the dvd does) and I
had to translate everything , she enjoyed every minute of it .
Do put your reviews here when you see it . Make sure its the
recent one with Basu and not the older version.
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moviePig wrote:
> Nick Macpherson wrote:
> > This afternoon channel surfing I came across Neil Cavuto interviewing
> > Eli Roth on Fox News. Roth was on to plug his Hostel DVD and talk
> > about why extreme horror movies have been so profitable at the box
> > office. Roth went full-on into the American Nightmare interpretation
> > of horror movies. They were good in the seventies with releases like
> > Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Last House on the Left because we were
> > stressed out over Viet Nam, they weren't good in the Clinton era
> > despite Scream because things ran too smoothly, and they're good now
> > because Bush and Cheney have us all spooked and the war in Iraq is
> > going badly with our troops looking disorganized, like "scared
> > children".
> >
> > Needless to say this didn't go down well with Neil Cavuto who looked
> > like he didn't know what hit him. He wanted Roth to blame Kennedy for
> > the success of Psycho but Roth said that Psycho succeeded because
> > Hitchcock played so well on our fear that the nice guy next door might
> > be Ed Gein. All in all, a very entertaining five minutes of celebrity
> > shilling gone wild.
>
> Also, as Roth seems to imply, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. E.g.,
> I *think* I'd have eaten up WOTW even if it hadn't reminded me of Bombs
> Over Baghdad...
>
I was impressed with Roth. I caught his interview by chance and was a
bit put off by seeing him on a Fox financial show plugging his DVD (how
low can you go to sell a few copies of your product?), until he began
his "horror movies are popular because Bush and Cheney are freaking
people out," spiel, something that Cavuto wasn't prepared to argue.
(Give him until Monday and the e-mail segment to pull together the
right wing-correct necessary response.) If it was on a more liberal
outlet, one of the digital film channels or VH1 maybe, I'd think he was
only being obnoxious, but he was taking it straight to the source.

I don't entirely agree with Roth though. There's always a pendulum
swing Mild-mannered, ironic horror films of the nineties in response
to the sexist splatter films of the eighties lead to a violent,
sadistic counter-reaction in the 21st century and so on. But I do
wonder why sadistic, and the key word here is sadistic, horror films
are so routinely succesful, whereas on the other hand, the relatively
sane and non-sadistic (and well-reviewed) Slither tanked.

> > And speaking of weird websites and Japanese horror, you see that news
> > story recently about the rash of suicides in Japan and how they were
> > connected to pro-suicide websites? Hey, Suicide Club was prophecy!
>
> (Wtf with MORTUARY? No Netflix, no Amazon... yet indeed for legit sale
> here and there...)

I rented a copy from Hollywood. There's a fifty plus minute making of
featurette so it's not a throway DVD release. Now you mention it, the
cast (Denise Crosby, whose quite good, plus a bunch of no names) does
sound Sci-Fi Channel, though I didn't spot the usual poverty stricken
Eastern European locale passing for the US of A giveaway. (We can't
stand these Sci-Fi Channel movies now, but wait, fifteen years from now
they'll be prized nostalgia with film snob credibility.)

>
> Re lemming teens going into the monitor light: It sounds alien and
> puzzling, until you consider, say, some fans' vital attachment to other
> popular phenomena, like celebrities and pro sports teams. Meanwhile...
> I'm now even more curious to see what Hollywood will do with the
> Japanese existentialist horror mindwarp KAIRO (soon-to-be PULSE) in
> view of any recent reports of suicide inducement. I'm thinking the
> on-screen victims will now merely suffer mild depression... (say,
> before discovering the Home Shopping Network...)
>
The trailer to Pulse looks faithful to how I remember Pulse (which is
to say if you've seen the original, the trailer gives away too much).
But by now, we look to be late in the day in the Japanese-ization of
American horror phase (with a Scream era style casting of marginally
popular people if you're seventeen years old). I don't see it doing
that well. We'll have to start ripping off Bollywood horror and
remaking Raaz.
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On 15 Apr 2006 06:38:52 -0700, "moviePig" <pwallace.RemoveThis@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>
>Nick Macpherson wrote:
>> moviePig wrote:
>> > ...
>>
>> I don't entirely agree with Roth though. There's always a pendulum
>> swing Mild-mannered, ironic horror films of the nineties in response
>> to the sexist splatter films of the eighties lead to a violent,
>> sadistic counter-reaction in the 21st century and so on. But I do
>> wonder why sadistic, and the key word here is sadistic, horror films
>> are so routinely succesful, whereas on the other hand, the relatively
>> sane and non-sadistic (and well-reviewed) Slither tanked.
>
>I didn't like SLITHER because of what it wasn't, and think you liked it
>for what it was. Take solace from there being more of you among the
>experts than among my hoi polloi...
>

Really?

I disliked Slither for what it was. Third rate, derivative,
half-bright. Not scary.

John Harkness
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Sean O'Hara wrote:

> In the Year of the Dog, the Great and Powerful Nick Macpherson declared:
>
>> So is this a sea change? Instead of
>> retro-seventies slasher films, we're moving into retro-80s Return of
>> the Living Dead horror played for laughs?

Either that, or a lot of low-budget filmmakers given big-budgets and
trying to distance themselves from their material so any undisciplined
errors will seem like "Yeah, I *meant* to do that!"

> Well, they've pretty well mined out the major '70s horror films. What's
> left? The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane with Daveigh Chase? The
> Exorcist with Dakota Fanning?

....Y'know, I didn't know whether to be *relieved* to find out that "The
Sentinel" was just going to be a boring old Michael Douglas action film,
or not?

(But again, any validation on the main theory as to why a lot of
video-generation-heads are "mythologizing" 70's films with "cool"
big-budgets--
Namely, that if we'd actually *had* some horror films in the late 80's
and early 90's, back when they were all in high school--instead of a lot
of whiny yuppie-nightmare "Fatal Attraction" clones--we wouldn't have
had an entire generation digging up the Arcane Drive-In Knowledge, and
gasping "How did they do it?...They must have been GENIUSES! :-P ")

Derek Janssen (y'know how the expression "Lost generation" first came
about?)
ejanss RemoveThis @comcast.net
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trotsky wrote:
> moviePig wrote:
>
> > John Harkness wrote:
> >
> >>On 15 Apr 2006 06:38:52 -0700, "moviePig" <pwallace RemoveThis @moviepig.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nick Macpherson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>moviePig wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>...
> >>>>
> >>>>I don't entirely agree with Roth though. There's always a pendulum
> >>>>swing Mild-mannered, ironic horror films of the nineties in response
> >>>>to the sexist splatter films of the eighties lead to a violent,
> >>>>sadistic counter-reaction in the 21st century and so on. But I do
> >>>>wonder why sadistic, and the key word here is sadistic, horror films
> >>>>are so routinely succesful, whereas on the other hand, the relatively
> >>>>sane and non-sadistic (and well-reviewed) Slither tanked.
> >>>
> >>>I didn't like SLITHER because of what it wasn't, and think you liked it
> >>>for what it was. Take solace from there being more of you among the
> >>>experts than among my hoi polloi...
> >>>
> >>
> >>Really?
> >>
> >>I disliked Slither for what it was. Third rate, derivative,
> >>half-bright. Not scary.
> >
> >
> > You seem actually to support my point. I'd been hoping for and
> > expecting a clever, scary movie...
>
>
> You mean you expected it to be "Shaun of the Dead".

If Slither had been English, at least it would have attracted the geeky
BBC America crowd that think anything with an English accent is
automatically funny because of that superior dry humor and wit. I
liked Shaun of the Dead but I wasn't blown away by like most by the
mixing of The Office level low-keyness with zombie movie in-jokes. I
prefer James Gunn's crude stupidity.

And the funniest show on BBC America wasn't even English--it was
Canadian--The Trailer Park Boys.
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Derek Janssen wrote:
>
> Sean O'Hara wrote:
>
> > In the Year of the Dog, the Great and Powerful Nick Macpherson declared:
> >
> >> So is this a sea change? Instead of
> >> retro-seventies slasher films, we're moving into retro-80s Return of
> >> the Living Dead horror played for laughs?
>
> Either that, or a lot of low-budget filmmakers given big-budgets and
> trying to distance themselves from their material so any undisciplined
> errors will seem like "Yeah, I *meant* to do that!"

Or they don't care about the material in the first place.


> ...Y'know, I didn't know whether to be *relieved* to find out that "The
> Sentinel" was just going to be a boring old Michael Douglas action film,
> or not?

Heh--I was relieved. That was total junk the first time around.


> Namely, that if we'd actually *had* some horror films in the late 80's
> and early 90's, back when they were all in high school--instead of a lot
> of whiny yuppie-nightmare "Fatal Attraction" clones--we wouldn't have
> had an entire generation digging up the Arcane Drive-In Knowledge, and
> gasping "How did they do it?...They must have been GENIUSES! :-P ")

Hmm, _that_ explains a lot...

C.
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