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Matt Barry

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(Msg. 91) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:16 am
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> On May 30, 12:56 pm, Shush wrote:
>> constance.kuriy....DeleteThis@ttu.edu wrote:
>> > The whole context of the remark is as follows:
>>
>> > "So I like to save my acting spirit as much as possible. Some
>> > actors insist on acting even when they're rehearsing. I want every bit
>> > rehearsed thoroughly, all the technical details worked out very
>> > carefully. I say, 'Now, so-and-so crosses the bridge at this point;
>> > now I go over to the table; now I life up this cup.' Then, when all
>> > those
>> > bits of business have been gone through thoroughly, I say, 'Now we'll
>> > act it.'
>> > "But I don't want perfection of detail in the acting. I'd hate a
>> > picture
>> > that was perfect--it would seem machine made. I want the human
>> > touch, so that you love the pcture for its imperfections."
>>
>> > If there's any defensiveness here, I don' t see it. He seems to be
>> > to be drawing a distinction between one part of the process
>> > (perfection of basic business--i.e. the way Cherrill handed him the
>> > flower) and the overall effect of the scene as acted, which might
>> > involve or even be enhanced by incidental imperfections, such as
>> > catching his foot on the curb as he runs after Paulette.
>>
>> That sounds reasonable to me too. But this is the same guy who was
>> telling interviewers he'd been born in France, so who knows whether he
>> was telling the truth about this?
>>
>> --Shush--
>
> Well, the story about being born in France (which doesn't occur in his
> earliest
> interviews, by the way) can be disproven, while the statement that he
> accepts a degree of imperfection in his work is consistent with the
> facts.
>
> I wonder if that story about France originated with an inventive press
> agent--
> or was encouraged by one, since it dates from the time when Chaplin
> began
> employing press agents.
>
> Connie K.
> Connie K.
>

For some reason, I want to say it originates in a comical "interview"
Chaplin gave. I read about this interview in Glenn Mitchell's Chaplin
Encyclopedia. Basically, Chaplin went through and had fun giving silly
answers and ludicrous stories. He said something to the effect that when he
entered films, he was encouraged to change his name because he might be
confused with the "far more popular" comedian Charley Chase. This, of
course, was just Chaplin having fun, but I can't remember if he said
anything about being born in France.

There was also that unauthorized biography published in the 20s that
supposedly was filled with errors. It may have originated there.
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Richard Carnahan

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(Msg. 92) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:04 am
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On May 31, 6:08 pm, G-HE... RemoveThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> Connie K wrote:
> >Mr. Shelps seems to think that everyone
> >is adolescent but himself-- a classic case
> >of projection.
>
> No, mainly you...but Richard's effusive
> praise of the adequate Cherrill did seem
> to me to indicate a valentine crush,

Not hard to see how someone with such a creepy obsession with Ann
Coulter would see valentine crushes in others.

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(Msg. 93) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:04 am
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rfcsac627n RemoveThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:

>>Connie K wrote:

>>>Mr. Shelps seems to think that
>>>everyone is adolescent but himself-- a
>>>classic case of projection.

>>No, mainly you...but Richard's effusive
>>praise of the adequate Cherrill did
>>seem to me to indicate a valentine crush,

>Not hard to see how someone with such
>a creepy obsession with Ann Coulter
>would see valentine crushes in others.

I've never written something as moony
as "she is perfection" about Coulter.

But as a matter of fact, I do maintain an
occasional e-mail correspondence with
AC---about our common political
views.
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(Msg. 94) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:11 am
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On May 31, 7:25 pm, G-HE... DeleteThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6... DeleteThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> >>Connie K wrote:
> >>>Mr. Shelps seems to think that
> >>>everyone is adolescent but himself-- a
> >>>classic case of projection.
> >>No, mainly you...but Richard's effusive
> >>praise of the adequate Cherrill did
> >>seem to me to indicate a valentine crush,
> >Not hard to see how someone with such
> >a creepy obsession with Ann Coulter
> >would see valentine crushes in others.
>
> I've never written something as moony
> as "she is perfection" about Coulter.

You've been drooling over her for years. It's really embarassing to
watch.
>
> But as a matter of fact, I do maintain an
> occasional e-mail correspondence with
> AC---about our common political
> views.

I'm sure she pines for every missive.
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(Msg. 95) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:11 am
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rfcsac6....DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:


>>>>No, mainly you...but Richard's
>>>>effusive praise of the adequate
>>>>Cherrill did seem to me to indicate a
>>>>valentine crush,

>>>Not hard to see how someone with
>>>such a creepy obsession with Ann
>>>Coulter would see valentine crushes in
>>>others.

>>I've never written something as moony
>>as "she is perfection" about Coulter.

>You've been drooling over her for years.
>t's really embarassing to watch.

Never wrote about her in the same
breathless style you used about Cherrill.
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(Msg. 96) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:53 am
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On May 31, 8:39 pm, G-HE... DeleteThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6... DeleteThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> >>>>No, mainly you...but Richard's
> >>>>effusive praise of the adequate
> >>>>Cherrill did seem to me to indicate a
> >>>>valentine crush,
> >>>Not hard to see how someone with
> >>>such a creepy obsession with Ann
> >>>Coulter would see valentine crushes in
> >>>others.
> >>I've never written something as moony
> >>as "she is perfection" about Coulter.
> >You've been drooling over her for years.
> >t's really embarassing to watch.
>
> Never wrote about her in the same
> breathless style you used about Cherrill.

You did here.
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(Msg. 97) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:45 am
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rfcsac627n.DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:

>>>You've been drooling over her for
>>>years. t's really embarassing to watch.

>>Never wrote about her in the same
>>breathless style you used about Cherrill.

>You did here.

Not in your gushing fanzine style.
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(Msg. 98) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:01 pm
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On Jun 1, 11:45 pm, G-HE... DeleteThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6... DeleteThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> >>>You've been drooling over her for
> >>>years. t's really embarassing to watch.
> >>Never wrote about her in the same
> >>breathless style you used about Cherrill.
> >You did here.
>
> Not in your gushing fanzine style.

LOL! Let it go. Let....it....go.
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(Msg. 99) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:01 pm
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rfcsac6....RemoveThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:

>>>>>You've been drooling over her for
>>>>>years. t's really embarassing to watch.

>>>>Never wrote about her in the same
>>>>breathless style you used about Cherrill.

>>>You did here.

>>Not in your gushing fanzine style.

>LOL! Let it go. Let....it....go.

Since you, Connie, Moran, and Totheroh
chose to assault my character, motives,
and intellect because I didn't and
don't share your political worship of
Chaplin, I long ago decided to avoid
serious discussion with y'all....and
I now include Bachusio in that
"chaplinsta nostra."
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(Msg. 100) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:30 pm
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On Jun 2, 11:01 am, Richard Carnahan wrote:
> On Jun 1, 11:45 pm, G-HE....DeleteThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> > rfcsac6....DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> > wrote:
> > >>>You've been drooling over her for
> > >>>years. t's really embarassing to watch.
> > >>Never wrote about her in the same
> > >>breathless style you used about Cherrill.
> > >You did here
> > Not in your gushing fanzine style.
> LOL! Let it go. Let....it....go.

Aw. Now see what you gone and done?

Sorry to say I told you so - but by engaging the Troll in
any way, all that happens is that he brings everything down to his
asinine, infantile, barbaric level.

Kuriyama posts an opinion about Chaplin's films - the Troll attacks
her maturity.
You post an opinion about Chaplin's films - he casts a bizarre
aspersion on you.

In between he defecates a few typical lies and falsehoods.

All the Troll knows how to do is snap, snarl, and lie. It's of a
piece
with his violent, barbaric ideology, which is at present creating
widows, orphans,
amputees by the hundreds every month.

And for who knows what reason, and to what end?

No need to wonder - the Troll and his glib fellow travelers come up
with a fresh new reason every fortnight.

But really, since 75% of the public has registered that they've seen
through the evil deceptions of the warmongers - and the resident Troll
has stated his intention to contribute nothing here but puerile
babytalk -
isn't it really best to shun him like the sad and sorry disgrace he
is?
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(Msg. 101) Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:58 am
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On Jun 2, 8:30 pm, bachu....TakeThisOut@rogers.com wrote:
> On Jun 2, 11:01 am, Richard Carnahan wrote:
>
> > On Jun 1, 11:45 pm, G-HE....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> > > rfcsac6....TakeThisOut@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>You've been drooling over her for
> > > >>>years. t's really embarassing to watch.
> > > >>Never wrote about her in the same
> > > >>breathless style you used about Cherrill.
> > > >You did here
> > > Not in your gushing fanzine style.
> > LOL! Let it go. Let....it....go.
>
> Aw. Now see what you gone and done?
>
> Sorry to say I told you so - but by engaging the Troll in
> any way, all that happens is that he brings everything down to his
> asinine, infantile, barbaric level.
>
> Kuriyama posts an opinion about Chaplin's films - the Troll attacks
> her maturity.
> You post an opinion about Chaplin's films - he casts a bizarre
> aspersion on you.
>
> In between he defecates a few typical lies and falsehoods.
>
> All the Troll knows how to do is snap, snarl, and lie. It's of a
> piece
> with his violent, barbaric ideology, which is at present creating
> widows, orphans,
> amputees by the hundreds every month.
>
> And for who knows what reason, and to what end?
>
> No need to wonder - the Troll and his glib fellow travelers come up
> with a fresh new reason every fortnight.
>
> But really, since 75% of the public has registered that they've seen
> through the evil deceptions of the warmongers - and the resident Troll
> has stated his intention to contribute nothing here but puerile
> babytalk -
> isn't it really best to shun him like the sad and sorry disgrace he
> is?

If there's anything we should have learned long ago, it's that Mr.
Shelps is incapable of letting things go. Nursing grudges, fighting
with and defaming his "enemies" gives him an excuse for living.

It's like those two old geezars in the nursing home who were always
at each other's throats. When one of them died, the other pined away
and died soon after.

Connie K.
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(Msg. 102) Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:57 am
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On Jun 3, 7:20 am, G-HE... RemoveThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> Constance Kuriyama wrote:
> >If there's anything we should have
> >learned long ago, it's that Mr. Shelps is
> >incapable of letting things go. Nursing
> >grudges, fighting with and defaming his
> >"enemies" gives him an excuse for living.
>
> Sorry, lady, but you and your confreres
> (with new ones like Bachusio and old
> smear artists llike Moran) keep shifting
> the debate to the ad hominem whenever
> I disclose a viewpoint about Chaplin
> that you don't find congenial.

As evidenced by the first two posts in this thread?
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(Msg. 103) Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:20 am
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Constance Kuriyama wrote:

>If there's anything we should have
>learned long ago, it's that Mr. Shelps is
>incapable of letting things go. Nursing
>grudges, fighting with and defaming his
>"enemies" gives him an excuse for living.

Sorry, lady, but you and your confreres
(with new ones like Bachusio and old
smear artists llike Moran) keep shifting
the debate to the ad hominem whenever
I disclose a viewpoint about Chaplin
that you don't find congenial.

And Bachusiohas drags
contemporary politics in on the slightest
provication. I don't see you declaring
him :off topic."
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(Msg. 104) Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:26 am
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Bachusio barfed:

>But really, since 75% of the public has
>registered that they've seen through the
>evil deceptions of the warmongers -

And I'll bet that 75% of Americans thought
that Chaplin should have had his
re-entry permit lifted.

Since when is American governed by
pollsters.

The only poll that counts is the electoral
one and so let the congressional majority simply cut off the funds of
the "warmongers" if they've got the guts--
because they certainly have got the
power.
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(Msg. 105) Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:43 pm
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On Jun 3, 12:58 am, "constance.kuriy...@ttu.edu"
wrote:
> On Jun 2, 8:30 pm, bachu....DeleteThis@rogers.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 2, 11:01 am, Richard Carnahan wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 1, 11:45 pm, G-HE....DeleteThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> > > > rfcsac6....DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>You've been drooling over her for
> > > > >>>years. t's really embarassing to watch.
> > > > >>Never wrote about her in the same
> > > > >>breathless style you used about Cherrill.
> > > > >You did here
> > > > Not in your gushing fanzine style.
> > > LOL! Let it go. Let....it....go.
>
> > Aw. Now see what you gone and done?
>
> > Sorry to say I told you so - but by engaging the Troll in
> > any way, all that happens is that he brings everything down to his
> > asinine, infantile, barbaric level.
>
> > Kuriyama posts an opinion about Chaplin's films - the Troll attacks
> > her maturity.
> > You post an opinion about Chaplin's films - he casts a bizarre
> > aspersion on you.
>
> > In between he defecates a few typical lies and falsehoods.
>
> > All the Troll knows how to do is snap, snarl, and lie. It's of a
> > piece
> > with his violent, barbaric ideology, which is at present creating
> > widows, orphans,
> > amputees by the hundreds every month.
>
> > And for who knows what reason, and to what end?
>
> > No need to wonder - the Troll and his glib fellow travelers come up
> > with a fresh new reason every fortnight.
>
> > But really, since 75% of the public has registered that they've seen
> > through the evil deceptions of the warmongers - and the resident Troll
> > has stated his intention to contribute nothing here but puerile
> > babytalk -
> > isn't it really best to shun him like the sad and sorry disgrace he
> > is?
>
> If there's anything we should have learned long ago, it's that Mr.
> Shelps is incapable of letting things go. Nursing grudges, fighting
> with and defaming his "enemies" gives him an excuse for living.
>

He's like Richard Nixon without the upside. Ans it doesn't matter if
you ignore him or engage him -- I've done both -- he's still there.
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