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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:11 am
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I got to see this film again, and with an audience this time. I can
now say that I've seen a Chaplin Keystone go over really well with a
crowd (or at least the last the climax of the film did).

The print I saw was an old Blackhawk edition. The source material
looked like a 1920s re-issue, but it evidently wasn't from that same
batch of Keystone re-issues that have the painfully jokey intertitles.
The intertitles on this print weren't Keystone originals, but they were
still terse like true Keystones are.

THE NEW JANITOR is really put together well. It doesn't have the
zest and the action of some other Keystones, but it does maintain a
steady pace while building a storyline to a full conclusion. Charlie
isn't the unruly hell-raiser that he often was in his earlier
Keystones. He doesn't do any obvious leering or flirting, and while
he's comically inept as a janitor, he isn't defiant or destructive;
he's just casually indifferent and a little mischievous. With a little
more energy, he'd be just like the Charlie of the Essanay and Mutual
era.

The interesting thing about this is Chaplin's evolution as a
director. The storyline is sparse, but it moves along from start to
finish. There isn't a lot of footage that doesn't move the story along
in some way, and you don't get the sense that the film is pure
improvisation. Even though there are a couple of experienced comedians
in supporting roles (Al St. John and Jess Dandy), they play their parts
fairly straight. This isn't the usual chaotic Keystone universe here;
it's more like the real world.

Chaplin frequently places his camera directly in front of the
action, the way a theater spectator would see a music hall routine from
the best seat in the house. But in THE NEW JANITOR, most of the camera
set-ups are angled. We have a diagonal view of the stage.

There's one scene that should have been done over. In it, Charlie is
fooling around in the office that has the safe in it, and he does a bit
of business as he walks toward the door at the back of the set and
leaves the room. Unfortunately, the gag doesn't register because we
can't see it: there's a big chair blocking our view. Possibly Chaplin
just didn't think that mattered. Or, more likely, his cameraman didn't
call his attention to it while shooting the scene, and by the time the
film was being edited and the goof was discovered, it must have been
too late to re-shoot it (the set would have been taken apart as soon as
filming was over).

The film books tell us that Charlie is in love with the secretary,
and thwarts the crook to rescue her. That's not the way it looked to
me. I couldn't tell that Charlie was especially interested in her.

Before he discovers the robbery in progress, he's downstairs and
there's a nice little moment where he hesitates: should I go up and see
what's the matter, or go on my way? It's a good little bit of
pantomime, and the suggestion that Charlie has a thinking mind in his
head is kind of a small breakthrough, after all those films where he
does everything on sheer reflex (flirting, kicking people, throwing
bricks).

The working title of THE NEW JANITOR was CAUGHT, and the film was
finished (or shipped out) on September 3, 1914, his first finished film
after THE ROUNDERS. It was released a couple of weeks later.



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Constance Kuriyama wrote:
> Thanks for reporting on an audience response to this film.

The audience gave the film the usual smattering of chuckles that
other Keystones have drawn (in my experience), until near the end.
Charlie's capture of the safecracker got some nice big laughs, and his
ingenuity seemed to delight the audience.


> In my prints Charlie definitely pays attention to the sceretary,
> casting sidelong glances at her had repeatedly dusting off her
> behind. I'm not sure I'd call that "in love," but it's attention of
> a sort. She ignores him, since there's a hint initially that she's
> attracted to the clerk who tries to rob the safe. She pats his hat
> affectionately when she arrives for work. In that case there's a
> definite anticipation of _The Bank_ in the story line.

Wow, some of that material wasn't in the print I saw. If Doug Sulpy
is still with us, I'd love to hear more about how the the various
editions of this film differ.



> > Before he discovers the robbery in progress, he's downstairs and
> > there's a nice little moment where he hesitates: should I go up and see
> > what's the matter, or go on my way? It's a good little bit of
> > pantomime, and the suggestion that Charlie has a thinking mind in his
> > head is kind of a small breakthrough.
>
> This is especialy crucial because he's just been fired. His first impulse
> is to leave, but finally he decides to trudge up the stairs again, and is
> nearly exhausted when he reaches the top floor.

Yes, this is a throwaway moment, but it's significant as a clue to
how the Tramp character is evolving, as well as a suspense-builder that
strengthens this particular film. I've seen one or two later Keystones
in which Charlie Murray plays a janitor the way Chaplin does here, and
there isn't nearly as much characterization. The films are less
interesting, partly as a result of that.


> And of course--anticipating _City Lights_--Charlie is first mistaken
> for the thief, until the secretary comes to his rescue. Plenty of
> implicit social comment there.

Yes, but what strikes me is the fact that the Tramp isn't living in
that bizarre Keystone universe now. In Keystoneland, everyone behaves
like overgrown children, there's lots of fighting and chasing, most
people have a violent, hair-trigger temper, and every spouse is a
cheater. Now, in THE NEW JANITOR, Charlie's living in the real world.
To me this is a revolutionary development; if Chaplin had chosen to
remain in the realm of farce comedy, most of his greatest work would
never have been made.


> _The New Janitor_ is probably the one Keystone that most anticipates
> the direction Chaplin's later films would take, and it is certainly
> one of the best Keystones.

I agree.



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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:12 pm
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Thanks for reporting on an audience response to this film. I have
two video copies of it, one (Grapevine) very bad and incomplete,
the other from some wildcat vendor called "Film Classics," which is
surprisingly goood, probably a transfer of a Blackhawk print.

In my prints Charlie definitely pays attention to the sceretary,
casting sidelong glances at her had repeatedly dusting off her
behind. I'm not sure I'd call that "in love," but it's attention of
a sort. She ignores him, since there's a hint initially that she's
attracted to the clerk who tries to rob the safe. She pats his hat
affectionately when she arrives for work. In that case there's a
definite anticipation of _The Bank_ in the story line.

"Shush" (shushfilmseznospam@yahoo.com) writes:
> I got to see this film again, and with an audience this time. I can
> now say that I've seen a Chaplin Keystone go over really well with a
> crowd (or at least the last the climax of the film did).
>
> The print I saw was an old Blackhawk edition. The source material
> looked like a 1920s re-issue, but it evidently wasn't from that same
> batch of Keystone re-issues that have the painfully jokey intertitles.
> The intertitles on this print weren't Keystone originals, but they were
> still terse like true Keystones are.
>
> THE NEW JANITOR is really put together well. It doesn't have the
> zest and the action of some other Keystones, but it does maintain a
> steady pace while building a storyline to a full conclusion. Charlie
> isn't the unruly hell-raiser that he often was in his earlier
> Keystones. He doesn't do any obvious leering or flirting, and while
> he's comically inept as a janitor, he isn't defiant or destructive;
> he's just casually indifferent and a little mischievous. With a little
> more energy, he'd be just like the Charlie of the Essanay and Mutual
> era.

As I see the film Charlie's actually abused. The elevator boy makes a point
of forceing him to use the stairs. The clerk chews him out, the secretary
ignores him, and the boss fires him after he drops a bucket on him while
nearly killing himself trying to wash the office windows.

> The interesting thing about this is Chaplin's evolution as a
> director. The storyline is sparse, but it moves along from start to
> finish. There isn't a lot of footage that doesn't move the story along
> in some way, and you don't get the sense that the film is pure
> improvisation. Even though there are a couple of experienced comedians
> in supporting roles (Al St. John and Jess Dandy), they play their parts
> fairly straight. This isn't the usual chaotic Keystone universe here;
> it's more like the real world.
>
> Chaplin frequently places his camera directly in front of the
> action, the way a theater spectator would see a music hall routine from
> the best seat in the house. But in THE NEW JANITOR, most of the camera
> set-ups are angled. We have a diagonal view of the stage.
>
> There's one scene that should have been done over. In it, Charlie is
> fooling around in the office that has the safe in it, and he does a bit
> of business as he walks toward the door at the back of the set and
> leaves the room. Unfortunately, the gag doesn't register because we
> can't see it: there's a big chair blocking our view. Possibly Chaplin
> just didn't think that mattered. Or, more likely, his cameraman didn't
> call his attention to it while shooting the scene, and by the time the
> film was being edited and the goof was discovered, it must have been
> too late to re-shoot it (the set would have been taken apart as soon as
> filming was over).
>
> The film books tell us that Charlie is in love with the secretary,
> and thwarts the crook to rescue her. That's not the way it looked to
> me. I couldn't tell that Charlie was especially interested in her.
>
> Before he discovers the robbery in progress, he's downstairs and
> there's a nice little moment where he hesitates: should I go up and see
> what's the matter, or go on my way? It's a good little bit of
> pantomime, and the suggestion that Charlie has a thinking mind in his
> head is kind of a small breakthrough, after all those films where he
> does everything on sheer reflex (flirting, kicking people, throwing
> bricks).

This is especialy crucial because he's just been fired. His first impulse
is to leave, but finally he decides to trudge up the stairs again, and is
nearly exhausted when he reaches the top floor. When he discovers the
robbery in progress he instinctively acts to stop it, finally getting
attention by firing the pistol he gets control of. And there's a
good last gag about the elevator manned by Al St. John. It is
perversely unavailable for the policeman also, who has to use the stairs
to make an arrest.

And of course--anticipating _City Lights_--Charlie is first mistaken
for the thief, until the secretary comes to his rescue. Plenty of
implicit social comment there.

_The New Janitor_ is probably the one Keystone that most anticipates
the direction Chaplin's later films would take, and it is certainly
one of the best Keystones.

Connie K.




> The working title of THE NEW JANITOR was CAUGHT, and the film was
> finished (or shipped out) on September 3, 1914, his first finished film
> after THE ROUNDERS. It was released a couple of weeks later.
>
>
>
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In article <1139508682.979019.85610 RemoveThis @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Shush <shushfilmseznospam RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wow, some of that material wasn't in the print I saw. If Doug Sulpy
> is still with us, I'd love to hear more about how the the various
> editions of this film differ.

I wish I had something more to report, but the only real variation I've
seen involves the degree of completeness of the first few shots. The
Blackhawk is most complete (although even there the action is already
in progress as the film begins). The best print I've seen is "The New
Porter," but this is missing even more in the beginning.

By the way, the text of the intertitles on the Blackhawk matches that
of "New Porter," which was one of those W.H. Productions re-issues
whose intertitles were generally faithful to the original (except I
suppose a title like "The Porter's Button" would have been "The
Janitor's Button" in the original).

D.
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On 2/9/06 8:42 PM, in article 090220062142360821%KidAutoRaces@Venice.net,
"Doug Sulpy" <KidAutoRaces.RemoveThis@Venice.net> wrote:

> By the way, the text of the intertitles on the Blackhawk matches that
> of "New Porter," which was one of those W.H. Productions re-issues
> whose intertitles were generally faithful to the original (except I
> suppose a title like "The Porter's Button" would have been "The
> Janitor's Button" in the original).
>
> D.

Doug, who exactly owned W.H. Productions? I'd heard William S. Hart had a
stake in it, but later read that this was untrue.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:45 am
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Constance Kuriyama wrote:

> Do any of your samples, and the one Shush saw, contain the text of the
> letter the clerk gets?

The Blackhawk print I saw did show the text of the letter. I don't
know if it's the same text that 1914 audiences saw, though. (There are
at least a couple different versions of the note that Charlie writes at
the end of THE TRAMP.)



> I'm not clear on which gag Shush mentions that is not clearly
> visible. Maybe Shush can describe it more fully.

It takes place in the office that has the big safe in it. In the
foreground are the safe, to the right, and a big roll-top desk and
chair to the left. In the background is the doorway. In one of the
scenes before the climax, Charlie's in that office and does some
business in the foreground, then turns and leaves. As he approaches the
door, he does another bit of business (now I can't remember what it was
exactly), but we can't really see it because that chair is in the way.



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David Pearson wrote:

> Doug, who exactly owned W.H. Productions? I'd heard William S. Hart had a
> stake in it, but later read that this was untrue.


I can take a stab at this, if I may. When Mack Sennett and Thomas
Ince signed on with Triangle in 1915, the films they'd already produced
were part of the package. After a couple of years, Triangle's president
Harry Aitken realized there was money to be made from those negatives.

Aitken presided over Triangle's sale of the films to "W.H.
Productions" for a nominal sum of money, and W.H. set about re-issuing
them in a fairly sneaky way, with new titles. W.H. started out by
offering some William S. Hart two-reelers. Exhibitors and film fans
weren't discouraged from believing that W.H. were Hart's initials, but
he had nothing to do with the company. In fact, he complained long and
loud because his new Artcraft features now had to compete against his
old two-reelers. Exhibitors complained too, because they didn't realize
that what W.H. was selling were old films their customers had already
seen; in those days, very few films had ever been re-issued, and never
with new titles.

Meanwhile, W.H. was doing so much business that it soon began
re-issuing a lot of the old Sennett Keystones, and some of the other
Ince films. Happily for us, W.H. was glad to just sell prints outright
as well as renting them out, and that's why so many of the Chaplin
Keystones still exist today. If it weren't for the W.H. re-issues, most
of those would be lost now.

Anyway, there were so many exhibitor complaints that the Federal
Trade Commission stepped in. The exhibitors claimed they'd been duped
into believing the films were new. W.H. argued that since they had
replaced all the main titles and intertitles, and had edited the films
in other ways, that technically they *were* new. The FTC frowned upon
this, and W.H. promised to display each film's original title along
with its re-issue title.

That settled things, but after a couple of years the market for
these re-issues was saturated, and W.H. disappeared. The Chaplin
Keystones passed on to quasi-legitimate entities like S.A. Lynch
Enterprises, and then on to outright bootleggers, with the films
getting duped down another couple generations each time.

Harry Aitken was lucky there was no SEC in those days. He really
screwed over Triangle's shareholders by selling off those films to
W.H., whose insiders made a fortune. One of those insiders was almost
certainly Aitken himself. Kalton Lahue estimated that W.H. paid
Triangle around $100,000 for the films, but made well over $1 million
re-issuing them. Meanwhile, Triangle stock steadily plunged in value
until it was essentially worthless.
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On 2/10/06 11:33 AM, in article
1139592805.595982.316830.RemoveThis@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Shush"
<shushfilmseznospam.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I can take a stab at this, if I may. When Mack Sennett and Thomas
> Ince signed on with Triangle in 1915, the films they'd already produced
> were part of the package. After a couple of years, Triangle's president
> Harry Aitken realized there was money to be made from those negatives.
>
> Aitken presided over Triangle's sale of the films to "W.H.
> Productions" for a nominal sum of money, and W.H. set about re-issuing
> them in a fairly sneaky way, with new titles. W.H. started out by
> offering some William S. Hart two-reelers. Exhibitors and film fans
> weren't discouraged from believing that W.H. were Hart's initials, but
> he had nothing to do with the company. In fact, he complained long and
> loud because his new Artcraft features now had to compete against his
> old two-reelers. Exhibitors complained too, because they didn't realize
> that what W.H. was selling were old films their customers had already
> seen; in those days, very few films had ever been re-issued, and never
> with new titles.
>
> Meanwhile, W.H. was doing so much business that it soon began
> re-issuing a lot of the old Sennett Keystones, and some of the other
> Ince films. Happily for us, W.H. was glad to just sell prints outright
> as well as renting them out, and that's why so many of the Chaplin
> Keystones still exist today. If it weren't for the W.H. re-issues, most
> of those would be lost now.
>
> Anyway, there were so many exhibitor complaints that the Federal
> Trade Commission stepped in. The exhibitors claimed they'd been duped
> into believing the films were new. W.H. argued that since they had
> replaced all the main titles and intertitles, and had edited the films
> in other ways, that technically they *were* new. The FTC frowned upon
> this, and W.H. promised to display each film's original title along
> with its re-issue title.
>
> That settled things, but after a couple of years the market for
> these re-issues was saturated, and W.H. disappeared. The Chaplin
> Keystones passed on to quasi-legitimate entities like S.A. Lynch
> Enterprises, and then on to outright bootleggers, with the films
> getting duped down another couple generations each time.
>
> Harry Aitken was lucky there was no SEC in those days. He really
> screwed over Triangle's shareholders by selling off those films to
> W.H., whose insiders made a fortune. One of those insiders was almost
> certainly Aitken himself. Kalton Lahue estimated that W.H. paid
> Triangle around $100,000 for the films, but made well over $1 million
> re-issuing them. Meanwhile, Triangle stock steadily plunged in value
> until it was essentially worthless.

Yes, I'd much of this in Lahue's books, but I wasn't sure how solid this
information was. From what you've said, it seems so.

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"Shush" (shushfilmseznospam@yahoo.com) writes:
> Constance Kuriyama wrote:
>
>> Do any of your samples, and the one Shush saw, contain the text of the
>> letter the clerk gets?
>
> The Blackhawk print I saw did show the text of the letter. I don't
> know if it's the same text that 1914 audiences saw, though. (There are
> at least a couple different versions of the note that Charlie writes at
> the end of THE TRAMP.)
>
>
>
>> I'm not clear on which gag Shush mentions that is not clearly
>> visible. Maybe Shush can describe it more fully.
>
> It takes place in the office that has the big safe in it. In the
> foreground are the safe, to the right, and a big roll-top desk and
> chair to the left. In the background is the doorway. In one of the
> scenes before the climax, Charlie's in that office and does some
> business in the foreground, then turns and leaves. As he approaches the
> door, he does another bit of business (now I can't remember what it was
> exactly), but we can't really see it because that chair is in the way.
>
>
>
> --Shush--
>

OK, I found it. It's just a fall, and maybe he didn't think it was
important, since it's followed by a fall in the hall which is in full
view.

The obstacle I mentioned, I now see, is a broom that he is taking into
the office, and tries to fit sideways through the door. He uses the same
gag with a pitchfork in _The Tramp_.

My video version, by the way, seems to be a Video Yesteryear, but it runs
at a reasonable speed, and also has a rather good organ score.

Connie K.
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On 2/10/06 10:13 PM, in article dsjo8s$9rs$1@theodyn.ncf.ca, "Constance
Kuriyama" <do481 RemoveThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:

> My video version, by the way, seems to be a Video Yesteryear, but it runs
> at a reasonable speed, and also has a rather good organ score.
>
> Connie K.

No "Accuvision" or Rosa Rio at $54.95?

:-)

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David Pearson (dbpearson@charter.net) writes:
> On 2/10/06 10:13 PM, in article dsjo8s$9rs$1@theodyn.ncf.ca, "Constance
> Kuriyama" <do481 DeleteThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>> My video version, by the way, seems to be a Video Yesteryear, but it runs
>> at a reasonable speed, and also has a rather good organ score.
>>
>> Connie K.
>
> No "Accuvision" or Rosa Rio at $54.95?
>
> :-)
>
> DBP

It may have been one of Rosa's better efforts, and
the speed looked OK--perhaps a bit less frenetic
than most Keystones, but it worked rather well for
that one.

Certainly not $54.95. It was a real cheapie.

Connie K.
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