Kane's funeral

> Tradition?

I always considered it to be a misplaced (by the filmmakers) sense of
tradition.

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"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Tradition?
>
> I always considered it to be a misplaced (by the filmmakers) sense of
> tradition.
>
It certainly didnt make sense, the Nostromo just being a commercial starship
and all! It always bothered me!
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> okay, so what is the alternative if we assume he had no family?

The thing is, most people *do* have family, so there'd not be a precedent
of "burial at sea".

So they'd freeze him, and take the body back for an inquest.
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>> "Adam Cameron" <adam_junk.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >> Tradition?
>> >
>> > I always considered it to be a misplaced (by the filmmakers) sense of
>> > tradition.
>> >
>> It certainly didnt make sense, the Nostromo just being a commercial
> starship
>> and all! It always bothered me!
>
> It was also setup for a red herring scare that they eventually didn't use
> anyway...


Do you care to expand on that one, please? :)
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"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> okay, so what is the alternative if we assume he had no family?
>
> The thing is, most people *do* have family, so there'd not be a precedent
> of "burial at sea".
>
> So they'd freeze him, and take the body back for an inquest.
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> Adam

It's the fact that they had the facilities to freeze him that confounds me!

I just got the impression that a commercial starship with blue-collar
workers would have taken a body home, not shoved it out into space.

Of course, if you are space expeditionists (James Kirk, Mr. Spock, etc),
then I can well imagine a burial in space - then again, look at the trouble
it caused the Enterprise when the Vulcans wanted Spock back!!!
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"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> okay, so what is the alternative if we assume he had no family?
>
> The thing is, most people *do* have family, so there'd not be a precedent
> of "burial at sea".
>
> So they'd freeze him, and take the body back for an inquest.

When I worked on a commercial seismic exploration vessel, I noticed several
large empty chest freezers in the hold. Nowhere near the galley's food
freezers. I reckon they were for stiffy storage.

I'm sure they could have stored Kane in an empty food freezer.

Reminds me of a story about a cruise ship. Lots of oldies go on cruises, and
of course some die on board. One time they buried a guy at sea on the wrong
day, so they had no body to bury when the grieving widow. Rather than upset
the widow further, on the correct funeral day they solemnly buried a body
bag containing several sacks of potatoes.
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Hoo-boy, let me butt in here.

The question you guys are (oddly, to me) confounded by can just as
rationally be applied to ALL SORTS of things in this and other space
genre films - the entire space-travel/ocean-travel parallel thingy. Why
do they have ranks? Why is it a 'ship'? Why is the head guy 'Captain'?
Why is the floor a 'deck'? And on, and on, and on. Burial at sea (or
space) doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you've got
_family_ (c'mon, you think everybody buried at sea was done that way
because nobody would collect the body?) It's stench, superstition and
tradition. Heck, if you're in the (US) Navy, they'll bring your body
back, cremate it, and tote your ass back out to sea and dump you over
the side...if that's what you want. And it'd be easy enough to surmise
the EXACT same thing happening in the 'Alien' universe - a service not
unlike the one now that does (did) this with the space shuttle. Bring
'em back and shoot 'em back into space. There's NO reason not to think
that the Weyland-Yutani employee application form (for space-faring
positions) doesn't have a check-box: "Burial at space?" I'll betcha
Dallas could even perform marriages. No reason not to think he
_couldn't_ , and no reason to be surprised if he did. He's the
'Captain' of a 'ship'. (Why isn't he the Maitre'd of a Rockete'? Huh?
Hey, if the French had won the space race....just kidding. :)

So, if you're willing to accept all the _other_ nautical carry-over
into space, I don't see how this can raise an eyebrow in the least. And
if NOT, in the matter of all that other maritime gobbledygook on a
spaceship, you're a lot like Lucy - you got some 'splainin' to do! :)
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"Robert" <rdbake.DeleteThis@prtcnet.org> wrote in message
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> Hoo-boy, let me butt in here.
>
> The question you guys are (oddly, to me) confounded by can just as
> rationally be applied to ALL SORTS of things in this and other space
> genre films - the entire space-travel/ocean-travel parallel thingy. Why
> do they have ranks? Why is it a 'ship'? Why is the head guy 'Captain'?
> Why is the floor a 'deck'? And on, and on, and on. Burial at sea (or
> space) doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you've got
> _family_ (c'mon, you think everybody buried at sea was done that way
> because nobody would collect the body?) It's stench, superstition and
> tradition. Heck, if you're in the (US) Navy, they'll bring your body
> back, cremate it, and tote your ass back out to sea and dump you over
> the side...if that's what you want. And it'd be easy enough to surmise
> the EXACT same thing happening in the 'Alien' universe - a service not
> unlike the one now that does (did) this with the space shuttle. Bring
> 'em back and shoot 'em back into space. There's NO reason not to think
> that the Weyland-Yutani employee application form (for space-faring
> positions) doesn't have a check-box: "Burial at space?" I'll betcha
> Dallas could even perform marriages. No reason not to think he
> _couldn't_ , and no reason to be surprised if he did. He's the
> 'Captain' of a 'ship'. (Why isn't he the Maitre'd of a Rockete'? Huh?
> Hey, if the French had won the space race....just kidding. :)
>
> So, if you're willing to accept all the _other_ nautical carry-over
> into space, I don't see how this can raise an eyebrow in the least. And
> if NOT, in the matter of all that other maritime gobbledygook on a
> spaceship, you're a lot like Lucy - you got some 'splainin' to do! :)

Hi Robert,

3 points!

1) I did associate burial in space as the same as burial at sea - have
always been aware that space-faring is the same as sea-faring. After all,
the Enterprise was a sea-vessel (in fiction and real-life!).

2) I only question Kane's burial at space simply because of the facilities
on board the Nostromo - freezing/sleep-stasis. Hence, no "stench"!
Superstition? - um.. maybe but this is the future and superstition was
replaced by scientific logic. Tradition? Probably!!! Dunno!

3) My post did start a longish thread off - which is desperately needed
here once in a while! :))))

And why not "raise an eyebrow" once in a while?? :P

Merci beaucoup!
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>I thought I read somewhere (probably here!) that in another never-filmed
> scene where Dallas and Ripley would be getting it on in one of those
> bubbles/blisters (eww, gross name for a bubble-shaped window!) and then
> Kane's body would drift by breaking the romantic mood a little.

Or improving it if you're a Goth.
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