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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:29 am
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:29 am
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"Badabing" <bada.TakeThisOut@boom.com> wrote in message
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> OK I know a lot of Tolkien readers delight in trashing the movies, but are
> there any scenes in the films that exceeded your expectations, based on
> reading the books. Scenes that made you think, 'wow, it was great to see
> that on screen, I never thought of it like that before.'
For me, it was little touches: for example, I had never before thought of
the chain for the Ring chafing Frodo's neck--yet when I saw it, it was "Of
course!" When Frodo winced at Gimli's attempt to destroy the Ring, the look
of mingled pride and pain on Gandalf's face when Frodo said he'd take the
ring; the way Merry and Pippen *always* and *naturally* moved in to protect
Frodo when danger was near; Treebeard's voice, which really sounded somehow
like wood ( I'd never really been able to figure out how he sounded before.)
And one scene from the book that really stands out for me as something I'd
never properly visualized was the mourning for Gandalf on the mountain. And
Edoras--Edoras was perfect, something else I'd never really gotten my brain
around before.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:53 am
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"Badabing" <bada.RemoveThis@boom.com> wrote in message
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> OK I know a lot of Tolkien readers delight in trashing the movies, but are
> there any scenes in the films that exceeded your expectations, based on
> reading the books. Scenes that made you think, 'wow, it was great to see
> that on screen, I never thought of it like that before.'
Just got home from seeing it the third time. Like to add Pippin's livery in
Gondor--much better than my own imagination. I have to say actually, Billy
Boyd's whole performance stood out this time for me. I always had liked
Pippin; I think he did him a lot more justice in RoTK than in the first two.
Barbara
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:26 am
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Badabing wrote:
> OK I know a lot of Tolkien readers delight in trashing the movies, but are
> there any scenes in the films that exceeded your expectations, based on
> reading the books. Scenes that made you think, 'wow, it was great to see
> that on screen, I never thought of it like that before.'
>
Smeagol, as he was *before* centuries beneath ground, under the
influence of the Ring.
THAT brought home to me the peril that Frodo was in. It wasn't one of
Ms. Boyen's infamous "improvements", though. >> Stay informed about: LOTR: Scenes that are better in the films than in the book? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:32 pm
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:24:17 -0000, "Haldir" <hfisher DeleteThis @insight.rr.com>
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>"Badabing" <bada DeleteThis @boom.com> wrote in message
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>> OK I know a lot of Tolkien readers delight in trashing the movies, but are
>> there any scenes in the films that exceeded your expectations, based on
>> reading the books. Scenes that made you think, 'wow, it was great to see
>> that on screen, I never thought of it like that before.'
The story arc of Arwen's decision to give up her immortality and the
consequences was barely covered in the book. Tolkein mentioned that
conversations between Elrond and Arwen took place but provided few
details. Most of the story is hidden away in the appendix.
The movies brought the story front and center with mixed results. Some
the scenes were hoaky (Arwen's vision of her child makes her turn back
to Rivendell) or ridiculous (Elrond tells Aragorn at Dunharrow that
Arwen is will die if the Shadow is not defeated, as if he needed
*more* motivation to defeat Sauron!). >> Stay informed about: LOTR: Scenes that are better in the films than in the book? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:35 pm
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:28:38 GMT, Stephen Horgan
<stephen.RemoveThis@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote:
>The slaying of the Witch King. Excellent in the book, superb in the
>film.
Excellent in the book, over too soon in the movie.
I was like 'was that it?'
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:54 pm
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"Stephen Horgan" <stephen.TakeThisOut@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> kirjoitti
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> The slaying of the Witch King. Excellent in the book, superb in the
> film.
Movie cliche #37 - Say something clever before making the
death blow, so that somebody will have time to stop you.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:35 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:42 am
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"Morgil" <morestelx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Horgan" <stephen.TakeThisOut@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> kirjoitti
> viestissä:7bn2009u4chkjpr35jr5d33unt9nrihb8m@4ax.com...
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> > The slaying of the Witch King. Excellent in the book, superb in the
> > film.
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> Movie cliche #37 - Say something clever before making the
> death blow, so that somebody will have time to stop you.
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> Morgil
>
I assume you mean the words of Witch King? If so that was not a movie
cliché, it was copied directly from the BOOK.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:40 am
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"Nuki Mouse" <Nukmouse.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Morgil" <morestelx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Stephen Horgan" <stephen.TakeThisOut@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> kirjoitti
> > viestissä:7bn2009u4chkjpr35jr5d33unt9nrihb8m@4ax.com...
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> > > The slaying of the Witch King. Excellent in the book, superb in the
> > > film.
> >
> > Movie cliche #37 - Say something clever before making the
> > death blow, so that somebody will have time to stop you.
>
> I assume you mean the words of Witch King? If so that was not a movie
> cliché, it was copied directly from the BOOK.
If he means the words of the Witch-king then those weren't just before the
death blow in the book, it was before the battle between him and Dernhelm
had even begun.
If he means the words of Eowyn, then likewise she didn't offer a one-liner
before the death-blow in the books, only in the movie..
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:43 am
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"Stephen Horgan" <stephen DeleteThis @horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:29:51 +0000, Badabing <bada DeleteThis @boom.com> wrote:
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> >OK I know a lot of Tolkien readers delight in trashing the movies, but are
> >there any scenes in the films that exceeded your expectations, based on
> >reading the books. Scenes that made you think, 'wow, it was great to see
> >that on screen, I never thought of it like that before.'
>
> The slaying of the Witch King. Excellent in the book, superb in the
> film.
Too little is made of Merry's awakened courage, who managed to overcome
the Terror that drove away both horses and riders -- and too little is made
of the fact that the Witch-king himself could cause devastation among the
Rohirrim -- the importance of Eowyn's action seems less in the movie.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:15 am
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"Jette Goldie" <jet DeleteThis @blueyonder.com.uk> wrote in message
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> > "Stephen Horgan" <stephen DeleteThis @horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > The slaying of the Witch King. Excellent in the book, superb in the
> > > film.
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> > Too little is made of Merry's awakened courage, who managed to overcome
> > the Terror that drove away both horses and riders -- and too little is
> > made
> > of the fact that the Witch-king himself could cause devastation among the
> > Rohirrim -- the importance of Eowyn's action seems less in the movie.
>
> Right, so all those seasoned warriers in Osgiliath and later
> in Minas Tirith cowering down when the Nazgul fly over - even
> when they're not in a position to be grabbed by the Fell Beast
> - don't mean anything?
Yup, that's how it's presented in the movie, as if it didn't mean
anything. You never get the sense that there's a darkness here that
spreads from the black riders as a stench that stills the heart and
strangles the will.
If you yourself were awesomely impressed by the dark aura of the
black riders (or something) in the movie, that's cool. But I wasn't -
I didn't feel it was there to any perceptible degree. The physical
aspect felt much more emphasized in the movie, to the detriment
of everything else.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:50 am
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> If you yourself were awesomely impressed by the dark aura of the
> black riders (or something) in the movie, that's cool. But I wasn't -
> I didn't feel it was there to any perceptible degree. The physical
> aspect felt much more emphasized in the movie, to the detriment
> of everything else.
>
> Aris Katsaris
I dunno... the cool slow-motion 'attack run' made by the WK and the
the sudden unmanned expression on Theoden's face as the WK comes in -
followed by the somewhat disorientating silence after the WK lands
(typical horror movie move to get your attention - hear it used for
the Nazgul all through the three films) made me shudder a bit.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:04 pm
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in article 5a557b92.0401130350.4493814c.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com, One-White-Tree
at j_west_moreland.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote on 13/1/04 11:50 AM:
>> If you yourself were awesomely impressed by the dark aura of the
>> black riders (or something) in the movie, that's cool. But I wasn't -
>> I didn't feel it was there to any perceptible degree. The physical
>> aspect felt much more emphasized in the movie, to the detriment
>> of everything else.
>>
>> Aris Katsaris
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> I dunno... the cool slow-motion 'attack run' made by the WK and the
> the sudden unmanned expression on Theoden's face as the WK comes in -
> followed by the somewhat disorientating silence after the WK lands
> (typical horror movie move to get your attention - hear it used for
> the Nazgul all through the three films) made me shudder a bit.
>
> The Nazgul definitely had dark auras in 'Fellowship', I reckon.
I have read that apparently the moment when Theoden runs along his front
line troops, clattering his sword against their spears, was not in the book?
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:02 pm
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Badabing <bada DeleteThis @boom.com> wrote in message news:<BC298F45.6617F%bada@boom.com>...
> in article 5a557b92.0401130350.4493814c DeleteThis @posting.google.com, One-White-Tree
> at j_west_moreland DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote on 13/1/04 11:50 AM:
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> >> If you yourself were awesomely impressed by the dark aura of the
> >> black riders (or something) in the movie, that's cool. But I wasn't -
> >> I didn't feel it was there to any perceptible degree. The physical
> >> aspect felt much more emphasized in the movie, to the detriment
> >> of everything else.
> >>
> >> Aris Katsaris
> >
> > I dunno... the cool slow-motion 'attack run' made by the WK and the
> > the sudden unmanned expression on Theoden's face as the WK comes in -
> > followed by the somewhat disorientating silence after the WK lands
> > (typical horror movie move to get your attention - hear it used for
> > the Nazgul all through the three films) made me shudder a bit.
> >
> > The Nazgul definitely had dark auras in 'Fellowship', I reckon.
>
> I have read that apparently the moment when Theoden runs along his front
> line troops, clattering his sword against their spears, was not in the book?
> That moment was awesome, as was the 'DEEEAAAATH' cry.
Uh... well, there's no spears being clattered by a sword, but Theoden
does get his little speech about riding to the world's ending, I
think. The 'DEEEEEAAAAATH!' cry comes later - when Eomer comes across
Eowyn's fallen body, he goes a little mad and leads the Rohirrim in a
colossal charge in which they 'cry 'death' in fell voices, or
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