Any LOTR fans here?

In article <40d1a442$0$1217$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, "Tracy"
<sistermoonconstant RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe we could start discussing whether the Balrog has wings - that
> should keep us going for a decade or so. :)
>
> I'll ask you this! Do you think the Balrog has wings

Of course!

> and, if so, why do you think this!

It makes them cooler. :)

I'm not blond, however, and I am quite aware that the 'facts' tend to favor the
no-wings side of the argument. :)

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In article <i873d059sg04f7rogus80fqic6eurifo7b.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
Adam Cameron <adam_junk.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>Maybe we could start discussing whether the Balrog has wings - that
> >>>>>>should keep us going for a decade or so. :)
> ...
> >i.e. a pretty shoddy argument about whether Balrogs have wings.
>
> You didn't frame the original question. And as this is a movie NG,
> and as the *movies* of LotR are perhaps more topical than the books @
> present, it's possibly reasonable to surmise that you were *not*
> restricting your question to solely the book as a frame of reference.

Illogical conclusion. I said we could talk about whether the Balrog has wings
and discuss that for a decade or so. Now, one could argue that I just threw out
the 'decade' part without any further thought, and I just as easily could have
said "Let's discuss forks for a decade or so" but it would be more logical to
assume that I had some form of experience about the subject and could
appriciate how long such a discussion would take (as if a decade would
suffice!) based on what has already happened in this area. Either way, we know
that the movies didn't exist a decade (or longer!) ago.

Plus, if I were talking about the movies, it would be a pretty stupid question
to pose - the Balrog in the Peter Jackson movie quite obviously has wings.

<snip part of your post which you didn't seem to care about anyway>

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In article <casklr$kki$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Maybe we could start discussing whether the Balrog has wings -
>>>>>>>> that should keep us going for a decade or so. :)
>>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're easily seen in TTT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no Balrog present in TTT, Cov. Perhaps you mean FotR?
>>>>>
>>>>> REally???
>>>>>
>>>>> So what is Gandalf fighting in the opening montage and later
>>>>> *Here's how I came back* flashback?) ???
>>>>
>>>> So you're -not- a LotR fan. That's the movie, Cov. You know, the
>>>> one that came out fifty years after the book was published. :P
>>>
>>> Thats why I said easily *Seen* !!!
>>
>> i.e. a pretty shoddy argument about whether Balrogs have wings.
>
> As well it might be...
>
> But then I'm not making the argument.

You didn't question the motives of such a discussion above and the presented an
argument why there would be no need for such an discussion? Hmmm?

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"Sandman" <mr.RemoveThis@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <casklr$kki$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant.RemoveThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Maybe we could start discussing whether the Balrog has wings -
> >>>>>>>> that should keep us going for a decade or so. :)
> >>>>>>>> ???
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They're easily seen in TTT
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is no Balrog present in TTT, Cov. Perhaps you mean FotR?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> REally???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So what is Gandalf fighting in the opening montage and later
> >>>>> *Here's how I came back* flashback?) ???
> >>>>
> >>>> So you're -not- a LotR fan. That's the movie, Cov. You know, the
> >>>> one that came out fifty years after the book was published. :P
> >>>
> >>> Thats why I said easily *Seen* !!!
> >>
> >> i.e. a pretty shoddy argument about whether Balrogs have wings.
> >
> > As well it might be...
> >
> > But then I'm not making the argument.
>
> You didn't question the motives of such a discussion above and the
presented an
> argument why there would be no need for such an discussion? Hmmm?


Precisely.

IE.. I don't actually care.

If you want an actual answer however.....
It *seems* to me in the book that wings are a feature.
And in the films it certainly is.

There y'go !

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"Sandman" <mr DeleteThis @sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <40d1a442$0$1217$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, "Tracy"
> <sistermoonconstant DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe we could start discussing whether the Balrog has wings - that
> > should keep us going for a decade or so. :)
> >
> > I'll ask you this! Do you think the Balrog has wings
>
> Of course!
>
> > and, if so, why do you think this!
>
> It makes them cooler. :)
>
> I'm not blond, however, and I am quite aware that the 'facts' tend to
favor the
> no-wings side of the argument. :)
>
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> Sandman[.net]

Well there goes my original statement about personal intepretation then, eh?
:)

(I'll ignore the references to *blond*!!)
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In article <40d2b8e9$0$258$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, "Tracy"
<sistermoonconstant RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> Maybe we could start discussing whether the Balrog has wings - that
>>> should keep us going for a decade or so. :)
>>>
>>> I'll ask you this! Do you think the Balrog has wings
>>
>> Of course!
>>>
>>> and, if so, why do you think this!
>>
>> It makes them cooler. :)
>>
>> I'm not blond, however, and I am quite aware that the 'facts' tend to
>> favor the no-wings side of the argument. :)
>
> Well there goes my original statement about personal intepretation
> then, eh? :)

Hehe, I'm not an unreasonable man. :)

> (I'll ignore the references to *blond*!!)

Hah - that was supposed to be *blind*, not *blond*. Haha. :)

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>The thing is, Adam, this thread, amongst others, is our way of attempting to
>keep the ng alive, albeit weakly.

Granted, but I deeply agree with your "weakly" sentiment.

If there's nothing to say about Alien, and its ilk... so be it... it's
only NG. From my POV it takes no effort to stay subscribed to it,
and no effort at all to watch what little traffic there is. If
something comment-worthy comes up: all good. If not: so what. I'm
bemused by the idea that anyone would have any sense of sentimentality
about a.c-m.a. And - whilst I think it's a pointless statistic - I
believe I'm the second longest standing poster here (that
wwrwrwrwvvmvmmrmwm chap being the longest; maybe Covenant pipping me
as well? I don't know / care).

If I want to discuss LotR - which I don't other than superficially (as
per my post) - I'll go to a suitable NG. Although I'm always one to
put in my oar on any subject, so... yeah, whatever.

I'd sooner discuss Scott's / (*) / Fincher's / Jeunet's other films
than Peters Jackson's ones here, and it'd be *kind of* on topic.

On the other hand, I'm pretty much over suggesting what people should
/ should not discuss here (I'm thinking Glenn, when I say that).
Which is good, because your current exchange with Sandman on another
thread is making my skin crawl. But each to their own.

Anyway. That was some meaningless typing. Which I've now finished.

Adam

(*) That omission was on purpose.

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"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Just be nice... yeah! Your acidic comments keep coming, dont they?
Your problem is you are as hooked on usenet as any of us, you just cant
admit it.
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"Sandman" <mr RemoveThis @sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <40d2b8e9$0$258$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, "Tracy"
> <sistermoonconstant RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hah - that was supposed to be *blind*, not *blond*. Haha. :)
>

Good job I aint either then, eh? :))
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"Tracy" <sistermoonconstant.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Adam Cameron" <adam_junk.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just be nice... yeah! Your acidic comments keep coming, dont they?
> Your problem is you are as hooked on usenet as any of us, you just cant
> admit it.
>
>
And you cant get your head around the fact that some of us actually do make
and gain genuine friends on usenet. I have met a few people from usenet and
have spoken on the phone to a few too - thats how *close* I have become to
the so called faceless ones. Its a matter of choice. You bring it up alot
about how a few of us tend to get ourselves emotionally tied in one way or
another - that we take it too seriously. (You mean, you dont??!!! Dont
seem like it to me!!). To some of us, usenet is a form of communication
that includes having fun and frivolity, the odd flirtatious banter and, at
times, extremely serious discussions about extremely serious issues - yes,
off topic - but if we are interested and curious, the compulsion is there.
You have a right to your opinion, of course, but I am just telling you how
it is for me, and I dont have to be insulting when conveying my thoughts,
either :))

If you arent interested in anything I have to say stop reading the posts
(!!!) or, even better, killfile me again - it doesnt bother me in the
slightest.
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"Glen A. RITCHIE" <Get_away_from_her_you_BITCH DeleteThis @aliens.com> wrote in message
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> "Covenant" <covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > And it seems to be working - and it's
> > > all because of me - history will see
> > > things MY way! :-D
> >
> > And noooowwwwww...
> >
> > the END is neaaarrrrrr
>
> I still prefer the Sid Vicious rendition of Ottawa-native Paul ANKA'S
> classic song:
>
> "I killed a cat ...
>
> and I did it my-y-y way-y-y!!!"



"I say.. I think he's killed me!"

;' )


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>And you cant get your head around the fact that some of us actually do make
>and gain genuine friends on usenet.

Pardon me if I don't think Sandman's panty-sniffing banter constitutes
"making friends". And like I suggested... *go yer hardest* (err... I
mean... ;-)

> and I dont have to be insulting when conveying my thoughts,

Which part of what I said was insulting? Did you actually read what I
said, or did you just decide for yourself what I was likely to be
saying, and run with that?

On reflection, maybe it was the "skin crawl" thing, I guess. Fair
enough, but hey: it's my opinion. I don't expect anyone else to
revise their own opinion of things simply because I choose to state my
own one (opinion). Like I said "each to their own".

>If you arent interested in anything I have to say stop reading the posts

Ah. The old "you're free to express your opinions, but you don't
reserve me the right to express mine, if they don't match with yours"
argument. Heh. Nice one. You can magine my reaction to that.

>(!!!) or, even better, killfile me again - it doesnt bother me in the
>slightest.

Well you've moved on and grown since the last time I said I was going
to killfile you then. This is a good progression.


Adam
(hopefully without his work sig showing up this time!)
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"Sandman" <mr.DeleteThis@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> Maybe we could start discussing whether the Balrog has wings - that should
keep
> us going for a decade or so. :)


You did say a *decade* or so!! We must have hit another wormhole, cos it
turned into minutes!!! :)
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