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atlsoundguy

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:22 am
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Lectrosonics SR/5P Receiver - A Second Look After The Updates

Last week I received the updated SR/5P. The unit had two internal and
one external hardware change and numerous updates to the operating
system.


Hardware Upgrades

The first improvements were for two bugs. The first corrected the
unit’s diversity and the second fixed the second channel’s battery
display. One IMPORTANT note: Lectro tells me that because of the way
the SR is designed, it is better to have the first channel be a LOWER
frequency than the second channel for performance reasons.

The obvious hardware upgrade is the 5P (external 5pin adapter) which
allows the unit to work on cameras that have a slot, but only have a
single channel activated. Basically, you attach an external TA5F cable
that splits into to XLR connectors and attaches to the rear XLR inputs
on the camera. While we all wish it worked in the slot, this is a good
fix until the camera manufacturers get up to speed. I do HIGHLY
recommend you get a backup cable with your 5P as it would difficult to
get a replacement on-the-fly.

Also, as per my request, Lectro got me some Phillips head screws to
swap out for the flat heads in my adapter plates.


BIOS Updates

New Backlight Menu

This is an update I’m very pleased with. Holding down the power and up
button allows you to access the backlight menu. You can choose from
having it “always on”, “always
off”, a “30 second timeout”, or a “5 minute timeout.”

New External Voltage Monitor

While in operation, hitting the power button shows the external
battery voltage. This is nice, but I’d like to see it read the
transmitter voltages in the future. Lectro says they’d like to do
this, but there isn’t room in the processor memory to accommodate
this.

RF Metering

Lectro has updated the display of the RF meters to respond more like a
411.


IN THE FIELD

I haven’t had a chance to run all my tests yet. This week I’ve been
working with BetacamSPs and have only been able to use the external
adapter hanging off the side of a camera.

With the limited tests, I must say that the improvements to the unit
seem to be rock solid. I’m getting much better range and reception out
of the unit and much less touch sensitivity than I had experienced,
previous to the updates.


CONCLUSION

I like it. A lot.

In fact, I just ordered two more SR/5Ps to use on a reality shoot that
I will be on for about four months where I will be feeding three
Panasonic HDX900s (in the slot, with 5P cables). That should be a
great test of the durability of the units and how they operate in a
high use situation.

-Chris Durfy, ATLaudio, http://www.chrisdurfy.com

This post can be found on my blog with pictures at http://blog.chrisdurfy.com/?p=7

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:56 pm
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Good news.

I'm still waiting for my SR to return from New Mexico. I had it for
less than a week before I received word of the recall. Didn't have
time to really familiarize myself with it. The small amount of testing
I'd done has me very excited to use the SR in the field.

Since it was going back, I was going to have Lectrosonics do the 5P
modification. As far as the technical support person I spoke with
knew, the 5P modification hadn't been finalized and the program
wouldn't go into full swing until the beginning of July. I decided to
hold off on the modification until things had "jelled" a bit.

It sounds like they're closer to a final design. I may have to send it
back in a couple of weeks.

Ted

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:54 am
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Hi Ted,
We are currently beating on firmware version 1.7 which adds a few new
features, tweaks metering, and improves low RF level performance as
well as fixing the diversity bug. We want to get all this new stuff
into the units in one fell swoop. Right now we are loading 1.7 into
many units to make sure they all act the same.
Best Regards,
Larry Fisher
Lectrosonics


On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:56:51 -0700 (PDT), Ted Albalos
<ted.albalos.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>Good news.
>
>I'm still waiting for my SR to return from New Mexico. I had it for
>less than a week before I received word of the recall. Didn't have
>time to really familiarize myself with it. The small amount of testing
>I'd done has me very excited to use the SR in the field.
>
>Since it was going back, I was going to have Lectrosonics do the 5P
>modification. As far as the technical support person I spoke with
>knew, the 5P modification hadn't been finalized and the program
>wouldn't go into full swing until the beginning of July. I decided to
>hold off on the modification until things had "jelled" a bit.
>
>It sounds like they're closer to a final design. I may have to send it
>back in a couple of weeks.
>
>Ted
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:19 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:02 pm
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To the Anybodies:
About 5 SR units shipped yesterday (9 Jul 08). There are 28 remaining
units and they already have the hardware mods and the new new 1.7
firmware installed. These units still need the RSSI (received signal
strength indicator) levels reset and the counting detector DC level in
the audio circuit re-centered. These are just pot adjustments and
should go quickly. Two repair tech's have been assigned to the units.
Walk tests and other QC checks will take longer than the adjustments.
We should have all units shipped out next week.
Best Regards,
Larry Fisher
Lectrosonics

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:19:39 -0700 (PDT), bpole <brad2024 DeleteThis @aol.com>
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>Has anybody received their unit back with 1.7 yet?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:21 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:04 pm
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I got my two new SR/5Ps today via overnight priority. So far, they
seem rock solid. I haven't range tested them with the 1.6 firmware
unit I also have, but will soon.

At some point during the day, one of the 5P cables come out of the
housing at the right angle TA5 connection. The cable still worked, but
I pulled it out of service. I'm not sure how it happened, but perhaps
it was just that cable. I'm sending it back to Mike at Lectro for
examination. Good thing I ordered backups!

I'll post more info as I get more experience with them.

-Chris
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:18 am
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Third look at the SR/5P

I’ve been using three SR/5Ps in Panasonic HDX-900s on a reality show
for two weeks (with two and a half months to go). For the most part,
the Camera Operators are shooting hand held. They have performed very
well and I only have two issues to report.

1)Heat: In the HDX-900, the SR/5P can get HOT. I’ve measured it at
140+ degrees or more. The heat is due to the camera running hot and
the SR conducts it very readily. For reference, we are shooting in
Atlanta in 90-99 degree weather for ten plus hours. (Note: the unit is
designed and tested by Lectrosonics to fully operate up to 185 degrees
F and as cold as -25 degrees F. It will also operate down to -40F,
however the LED will stop displaying.)

The heat doesn’t affect operation of the SR/5P, but it can cause
burning and irritation on a CamOp’s arm when used with a Hip Shot
(which my operators use OFTEN on this show).

http://www.chrisdurfy.com/images/SR/burn.jpg

Notice the burn line of the 5P and screw in the forearm, and the red
irritation on the bicep area.

My working solution has been to wrap the 5P in three layers of
Moleskin. So far, this seems to help, but I’m wondering if a thermal
break could be installed in between the SR and the 5P to help reduce
the heat transfer.


2)5P Cable Connector: I’ve had three cables fail at the TA5 right
angle. Again, this is a result of frequent shooting from the hip. The
camera operator’s arm rests directly on the 5P . It seems that the
stress and the heat, in combination, causes the seam in the connector
to open up, which precipitates failure in the connection. Lectro has
sent me replacements that have heat shrink wrap around them to help
deter this. I’ll continue to test them and report back.

http://www.chrisdurfy.com/images/SR/hipshot.jpg

Lectro is in the process of getting a molded boot created, but this
may be some months away from production. Switchcraft is also designing
a swivel connector for the 5P, but this could be a ways away.

Also at my request, Lectro has been sending my replacement cables
using Neutrik NC*MX XLR Connectors instead of the Switchcraft rubber
boot connectors. I find the Neutriks to be much hardier when on the
back of cameras, as the Switchcraft boots can tend to tear when
stressed. The Neutriks are also shorter in length. I also like the
fact that they have blue and red colored compression rings that for
easy identification of left and right channels.

-------------------------------

This post is available on my blog with more pictures at:
http://blog.chrisdurfy.com/?p=7#comment-26
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:12 pm
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On Jul 23, 11:18 am, atlsoundguy <cmdu....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Third look at the SR/5P
>
> I’ve been using three SR/5Ps in Panasonic HDX-900s on a reality show
> for two weeks (with two and a half months to go). For the most part,
> the Camera Operators are shooting hand held. They have performed very
> well and I only have two issues to report.
>
> 1)Heat: In the HDX-900, the SR/5P can get HOT. I’ve measured it at
> 140+ degrees or more. The heat is due to the camera running hot and
> the SR conducts it very readily. For reference, we are shooting in
> Atlanta in 90-99 degree weather for ten plus hours. (Note: the unit is
> designed and tested by Lectrosonics to fully operate up to 185 degrees
> F and as cold as -25 degrees F. It will also operate down to -40F,
> however the LED will stop displaying.)
>
> The heat doesn’t affect operation of the SR/5P, but it can cause
> burning and irritation on a CamOp’s arm when used with a Hip Shot
> (which my operators use OFTEN on this show).
>
> http://www.chrisdurfy.com/images/SR/burn.jpg
>
> Notice the burn line of the 5P and screw in the forearm, and the red
> irritation on the bicep area.
>
> My working solution has been to wrap the 5P in three layers of
> Moleskin. So far, this seems to help, but I’m wondering if a thermal
> break could be installed in between the SR and the 5P to help reduce
> the heat transfer.
>
> 2)5P Cable Connector: I’ve had three cables fail at the TA5 right
> angle. Again, this is a result of frequent shooting from the hip. The
> camera operator’s arm rests directly on the 5P . It seems that the
> stress and the heat, in combination, causes the seam in the connector
> to open up, which precipitates failure in the connection. Lectro has
> sent me replacements that have heat shrink wrap around them to help
> deter this. I’ll continue to test them and report back.
>
> http://www.chrisdurfy.com/images/SR/hipshot.jpg
>
> Lectro is in the process of getting a molded boot created, but this
> may be some months away from production. Switchcraft is also designing
> a swivel connector for the 5P, but this could be a ways away.
>
> Also at my request, Lectro has been sending my replacement cables
> using Neutrik NC*MX XLR Connectors instead of the Switchcraft rubber
> boot connectors. I find the Neutriks to be much hardier when on the
> back of cameras, as the Switchcraft boots can tend to tear when
> stressed. The Neutriks are also shorter in length. I also like the
> fact that they have blue and red colored compression rings that for
> easy identification of left and right channels.
>
> -------------------------------
>
> This post is available on my blog with more pictures at:http://blog.chrisdurfy.com/?p=7#comment-26

Very valuable real-world experience, thanks. RF and audio ok? Any
complaints about the RX shortening camera batt life?

Philip Perkins
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:11 am
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Thanks to Chris for a "Good, Bad and the Ugly" review of the SR in
actual use. The SR pulls very little power for two receivers (1.4
Watts) and has a temperature rise of only a few degrees. The HD
cameras we've tested have a typical internal temperature rise of 50+
degrees and consume 50+ Watts. An empty tin can put into the slot
would have about the same 140 degree surface temperature on a 90
degree day as the SR. A piece of cloth material or something of the
sort between the SR and the operator is the only solution that I can
think of. Don't worry about covering the SR with an insulator (cloth)
since it isn't generating the heat but is only one path of many, for
heat to get out of the camera.

The best thermal break for the 5p is a piece of cloth or moleskin. We
are getting quotes on a molded right angle 5 pin. As Chris found out
for us all, hot glue doesn't hold up that well at 140.
Best Regards,
Larry Fisher
Lectrosonics

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:12:03 -0700 (PDT), Philip Perkins
<spamiser.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> The heat doesn’t affect operation of the SR/5P, but it can cause
>> burning and irritation on a CamOp’s arm when used with a Hip Shot
>> (which my operators use OFTEN on this show).
>>
>> http://www.chrisdurfy.com/images/SR/burn.jpg
>>
>> Notice the burn line of the 5P and screw in the forearm, and the red
>> irritation on the bicep area.
>>
>> My working solution has been to wrap the 5P in three layers of
>> Moleskin. So far, this seems to help, but I’m wondering if a thermal
>> break could be installed in between the SR and the 5P to help reduce
>> the heat transfer.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:46 am
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