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Sam Sloan

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:46 am
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One problem with this movie is that it appears to be a historical
documentary. Some of the things that really did happen are mixed in
with things that are pure speculation.

For example, the baron who came with his horse who had won the Olympic
Gold Medal was a real person. He really had won the Olympic Gold Medal
and he really was friends with Mary Pickford. He really did die on Iwo
Jima. Sounds unbelievable, but it is true.

On the other hand, scenes where General Kurabayashi is presented with
a gun and later uses that gun to kill himself are made up.

Nobody knows whether the general killed himself or died fighting. His
body was never found, so he probably died fighting.

Or, he could still be up hiding in those tunnels. Could be. Every few
years a few more Japanese come out of the jungles where they have been
hiding since World war II.

The most disturbing part to me was that the entire premise of the
movie was that a cache of letters the Japanese had written home in
1945 had been discovered buried in 2005. The movie, "Letters from Iwo
Jima", is supposedly based on these letters.

But, this is not true. No such letters were found. The letters quoted
in the movie were from another bunch of letters written from another
island in about 1930.

Sam Sloan

PS My uncle, Edward Sloan, fought in the Battle of Iwo Jima. You can
look it up.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:47 am
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Sam Sloan wrote:

> One problem with this movie is that it appears to be a historical
> documentary. Some of the things that really did happen are mixed in
> with things that are pure speculation.

That's a common technique, and I would have expected it to be that way,
some fact, some fiction, mixed together for realism.

> Or, he could still be up hiding in those tunnels. Could be. Every few
> years a few more Japanese come out of the jungles where they have been
> hiding since World war II.

I don't believe that. That might have happened a few years after the
war, but it's not happening now. Nobody could survive hiding that long.

> The most disturbing part to me was that the entire premise of the
> movie was that a cache of letters the Japanese had written home in
> 1945 had been discovered buried in 2005. The movie, "Letters from Iwo
> Jima", is supposedly based on these letters.

I haven't seen this movie yet, because I generally don't like war
movies. But the premise sounds interesting enough, and I never took it
as any more than a fact-based fiction. The war told from the OTHER
sides point of view is intriguing.

> But, this is not true. No such letters were found. The letters quoted
> in the movie were from another bunch of letters written from another
> island in about 1930.
>
> Sam Sloan
>
> PS My uncle, Edward Sloan, fought in the Battle of Iwo Jima. You can
> look it up.


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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:32 am
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Chairman Mao says: wrote:
> I am sure this will be a good Bitter Anklo movie.
>
> Any letters written to him?
>
> I'm sure some of those letters are demanding to be paid and get their money
> back.
>
> Next movie , "Deadbeat Bitter Anklo Letters from Iwo Jima."

I haven't got a clue what this meant.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:42 pm
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On Sep 23, 1:26 pm, Calvin <cri....TakeThisOut@windstream.net> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 9:47 am, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
>
> > I haven't seen this movie yet, because I generally don't like war
> > movies. But the premise sounds interesting enough, and I never took it
> > as any more than a fact-based fiction. The war told from the OTHER
> > sides point of view is intriguing.
>
> In this case, the war told from the other side's point of
> view is disgusting. There is no moral parity between the
> U.S. fighting men in the Pacific in World War II and the
> Japanese then. And now, learning that the whole premise
> was false, I'm very glad to have never given in to curiosity
> and seen this traitorous movie. Clint Eastwood has
> shamed himself.

You know... in the instance of movies, at least, it really is pretty
much necessary to See the "evil" before you can claim even to Hear it,
much less to Speak to it...

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:48 pm
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"Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
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> Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> > One problem with this movie is that it appears to be a historical
> > documentary. Some of the things that really did happen are mixed in
> > with things that are pure speculation.
>
> That's a common technique, and I would have expected it to be that way,
> some fact, some fiction, mixed together for realism.
>
> > Or, he could still be up hiding in those tunnels. Could be. Every few
> > years a few more Japanese come out of the jungles where they have been
> > hiding since World war II.
>
> I don't believe that. That might have happened a few years after the
> war, but it's not happening now. Nobody could survive hiding that long.

the last japanese soldier on iwo jima surrender 5 YEARS after the battle.
the last japanese soldiers to surrender was one on guam in 1972and one in
the philipines in 1974.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:33 pm
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On Sep 23, 5:27?pm, George Peatty <peattyg47-1....RemoveThis@copper.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:42:04 -0700, moviePig <pwall....RemoveThis@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >You know... in the instance of movies, at least, it really is pretty
> >much necessary to See the "evil" before you can claim even to Hear it,
> >much less to Speak to it...
>
> I dunno that I agree. By that logic, it would be okay to screen Birth of a
> Nation for an audience that had never seen it .. I've not seen it, but I've
> read a scene by scene summary, enough reviews, and enough stream of
> consciousness discussion in forums like this .. to have a pretty good idea
> what that movie is about. If so with that, then so it might be with other
> movies. The other side is to risk damning something based solely on hearsay
> and innuendo, and that's reprehensible. But, I think Mr. Rice knows enough
> about the movies Eastwood made that he can form an intelligent and
> defensible POV. It's not one I agree with, but I certainly understand his
> case, and am fully persuaded he's not just making it up out of his own
> imagination ..

But in this case, Calvin Rice is hiding from seeing Letters from Iwo
Jima because--shock! horror!--Clint Eastwood portrays the Japanese as
human beings instead of insane sadistic monsters. This criticism
almost always is reserved for our non-white enemy. Movies that
portray Nazis as human beings? The Pianist. Downfall. Schindler's
List. Saving Private Ryan. Those are alright. But Letters from Iwo
Jima? Shameful.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:45 pm
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In soc.culture.japan Calvin <crice5.TakeThisOut@windstream.net> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 9:47 am, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
> > I haven't seen this movie yet, because I generally don't like war
> > movies. But the premise sounds interesting enough, and I never took it
> > as any more than a fact-based fiction. The war told from the OTHER
> > sides point of view is intriguing.

> In this case, the war told from the other side's point of
> view is disgusting. There is no moral parity between the
> U.S. fighting men in the Pacific in World War II and the
> Japanese then. And now, learning that the whole premise
> was false, I'm very glad to have never given in to curiosity
> and seen this traitorous movie.

Ah, the religious nuts; never saw it, but know all about it.

>Clint Eastwood has shamed himself.

And you soil yourself in public.

Mommy must be ever so proud.

Mike
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Eugene Griessel

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:05 pm
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Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:

>Sam Sloan wrote:
>
>> One problem with this movie is that it appears to be a historical
>> documentary. Some of the things that really did happen are mixed in
>> with things that are pure speculation.
>
>That's a common technique, and I would have expected it to be that way,
>some fact, some fiction, mixed together for realism.
>
>> Or, he could still be up hiding in those tunnels. Could be. Every few
>> years a few more Japanese come out of the jungles where they have been
>> hiding since World war II.
>
>I don't believe that. That might have happened a few years after the
>war, but it's not happening now. Nobody could survive hiding that long.

It's been known to happen - but probably not in the quantity and
frequency the orignal poster alluded to.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=583572005

Eugene L Griessel

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:46 pm
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On Sep 23, 7:11 pm, mtfes....DeleteThis@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
> In soc.culture.japan Calvin <cri....DeleteThis@windstream.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 23, 4:42 pm, moviePig <pwall....DeleteThis@moviepig.com> wrote:
> > > You know... in the instance of movies, at least, it really is pretty
> > > much necessary to See the "evil" before you can claim even to Hear it,
> > > much less to Speak to it...
> > That would carry more weight if you applied ir evenly to
> > the other side,
>
> Gosh, maybe Eastwood should have made a movie like that, too.
> ...

The person to whom I was responding knew what I meant
by the 'other side'. I meant ideological side, the left rather
than the right. He loves to 'correct' conservatives who have
an opinion about a movie or book without seeing or reading
it, but he never corrects liberals who do the same thing.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:16 pm
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"Calvin" <crice5.TakeThisOut@windstream.net> wrote in message
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> On Sep 23, 9:47 am, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
> > I haven't seen this movie yet, because I generally don't like war
> > movies. But the premise sounds interesting enough, and I never took it
> > as any more than a fact-based fiction. The war told from the OTHER
> > sides point of view is intriguing.
>
> In this case, the war told from the other side's point of
> view is disgusting. There is no moral parity between the
> U.S. fighting men in the Pacific in World War II and the
> Japanese then. And now, learning that the whole premise
> was false, I'm very glad to have never given in to curiosity
> and seen this traitorous movie. Clint Eastwood has
> shamed himself.
>

the Pac war was fought between tow powers for colonial/economic reasons.
it was not a "war of liberation" on the part of anyone.
the western powers were trying to hold onto their conquered lands while the
japanese were trying to take them away.

for the allies the Pac war was one of reconquest.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:16 pm
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Calvin wrote:
> On Sep 23, 5:16 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu....RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>> the Pac war was fought between tow powers for colonial/economic reasons.
>> it was not a "war of liberation" on the part of anyone.
>> the western powers were trying to hold onto their conquered lands while the
>> japanese were trying to take them away.
>>
>> for the allies the Pac war was one of reconquest.
>
> 12/7/41


You had a point (other than on top of your head)?

Dan
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:26 pm
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On Sep 23, 9:47 am, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
> I haven't seen this movie yet, because I generally don't like war
> movies. But the premise sounds interesting enough, and I never took it
> as any more than a fact-based fiction. The war told from the OTHER
> sides point of view is intriguing.

In this case, the war told from the other side's point of
view is disgusting. There is no moral parity between the
U.S. fighting men in the Pacific in World War II and the
Japanese then. And now, learning that the whole premise
was false, I'm very glad to have never given in to curiosity
and seen this traitorous movie. Clint Eastwood has
shamed himself.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:27 pm
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:42:04 -0700, moviePig <pwallace RemoveThis @moviepig.com> wrote:

>You know... in the instance of movies, at least, it really is pretty
>much necessary to See the "evil" before you can claim even to Hear it,
>much less to Speak to it...

I dunno that I agree. By that logic, it would be okay to screen Birth of a
Nation for an audience that had never seen it .. I've not seen it, but I've
read a scene by scene summary, enough reviews, and enough stream of
consciousness discussion in forums like this .. to have a pretty good idea
what that movie is about. If so with that, then so it might be with other
movies. The other side is to risk damning something based solely on hearsay
and innuendo, and that's reprehensible. But, I think Mr. Rice knows enough
about the movies Eastwood made that he can form an intelligent and
defensible POV. It's not one I agree with, but I certainly understand his
case, and am fully persuaded he's not just making it up out of his own
imagination ..
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:16:46 -0400, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmucci DeleteThis @rcn.com>
wrote:

>the Pac war was fought between tow powers for colonial/economic reasons.
>it was not a "war of liberation" on the part of anyone.
>the western powers were trying to hold onto their conquered lands while the
>japanese were trying to take them away.
>
>for the allies the Pac war was one of reconquest.

Not even in .. the Twilight Zone ..
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:45 pm
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On Sep 23, 6:13 pm, Dan <dnada... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Calvin wrote:
> > On Sep 23, 5:16 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... RemoveThis @rcn.com> wrote:
> >> the Pac war was fought between tow powers for colonial/economic reasons.
> >> it was not a "war of liberation" on the part of anyone.
> >> the western powers were trying to hold onto their conquered lands while the
> >> japanese were trying to take them away.
>
> >> for the allies the Pac war was one of reconquest.
>
> > 12/7/41
>
> You had a point (other than on top of your head)?

An obvious one.
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