Letters from Iwo Jima

On Sep 23, 9:49?pm, "Chairman Mao says:" <Mao-ze-D....DeleteThis@prc.com> wrote:
> Hoy!, maintindihan ito! Bahala ka sa buhay mo

That's easy for you to say.
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"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230.TakeThisOut@copper.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:16:46 -0400, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmucci.TakeThisOut@rcn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >the Pac war was fought between tow powers for colonial/economic reasons.
> >it was not a "war of liberation" on the part of anyone.
> >the western powers were trying to hold onto their conquered lands while
the
> >japanese were trying to take them away.
> >
> >for the allies the Pac war was one of reconquest.
>
> Not even in .. the Twilight Zone ..

so we were trying to "liberate" our colony the philippines?
britain was trying to "liberate" burma, malaya and save india?
the allies were trying to "liberate" the dutch east indies and cochinchina
bot of which were returned to the dutch and french after the war?

you are in the twilight zone if you think "liberation"
had anything to do with the allied strategy.
godsam 60+ years after the war and out wartime propaganda still holds firm.

get a clue buddy
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"Calvin" <crice5.RemoveThis@windstream.net> wrote in message
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> On Sep 23, 6:13 pm, Dan <dnada....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Calvin wrote:
> > > On Sep 23, 5:16 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu....RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
> > >> the Pac war was fought between tow powers for colonial/economic
reasons.
> > >> it was not a "war of liberation" on the part of anyone.
> > >> the western powers were trying to hold onto their conquered lands
while the
> > >> japanese were trying to take them away.
> >
> > >> for the allies the Pac war was one of reconquest.
> >
> > > 12/7/41
> >
> > You had a point (other than on top of your head)?
>
> An obvious one.
>

and what happened after that. the allies retook their "possessions" and then
tried to hold on in the post war era.
as i said , both sides were out for colonies. the allies already had them
and the japanese wanted them.
the indians , malaysian, burmese. east indians and others were just vixctims
caught between two aggressive colonial powers.
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan DeleteThis @ishipress.com> wrote in message
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> One problem with this movie is that it appears to be a historical
> documentary. Some of the things that really did happen are mixed in
> with things that are pure speculation.
>
> For example, the baron who came with his horse who had won the Olympic
> Gold Medal was a real person. He really had won the Olympic Gold Medal
> and he really was friends with Mary Pickford. He really did die on Iwo
> Jima. Sounds unbelievable, but it is true.
>
> On the other hand, scenes where General Kurabayashi is presented with
> a gun and later uses that gun to kill himself are made up.
>
> Nobody knows whether the general killed himself or died fighting. His
> body was never found, so he probably died fighting.
>
> Or, he could still be up hiding in those tunnels. Could be. Every few
> years a few more Japanese come out of the jungles where they have been
> hiding since World war II.
>

Rather unlikely. True, IJA soldiers have been found hiding out in deep
jungles
decades after the war.
But Iwo Jima is apparently pretty accurately depicted as a small dirt and
rock island.
And it's currently inhabited by some 400 Japanese troops and has a US Navy
airstrip.
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"Chairman Mao says:" <Mao-ze-Dong.DeleteThis@prc.com> wrote in message
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> I am sure this will be a good Bitter Anklo movie.
>
> Any letters written to him?

This assumes he can read.
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"Calvin" <crice5 RemoveThis @windstream.net> wrote in message
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> On Sep 23, 9:47 am, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
> > I haven't seen this movie yet, because I generally don't like war
> > movies. But the premise sounds interesting enough, and I never took it
> > as any more than a fact-based fiction. The war told from the OTHER
> > sides point of view is intriguing.
>
> In this case, the war told from the other side's point of
> view is disgusting. There is no moral parity between the
> U.S. fighting men in the Pacific in World War II and the
> Japanese then. And now, learning that the whole premise
> was false, I'm very glad to have never given in to curiosity
> and seen this traitorous movie. Clint Eastwood has
> shamed himself.
>

I saw both Flags and Letters.
Neither movie is about Good and Evil or about
being morally right or wrong.
What both movies do is show events from the point of view of the guy on the
ground. A position which universally has little control over the events
surrounding him and to which he is subordinate.
Based on your comment, they are both films are pretty much above your head
so save your money and don't go see them. Clint Eastwood, as a director, did
a magnificent job.
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In soc.culture.japan Calvin <crice5 DeleteThis @windstream.net> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 4:42 pm, moviePig <pwall... DeleteThis @moviepig.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 23, 1:26 pm, Calvin <cri... DeleteThis @windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sep 23, 9:47 am, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
> >
> > > > I haven't seen this movie yet, because I generally don't like war
> > > > movies. But the premise sounds interesting enough, and I never took it
> > > > as any more than a fact-based fiction. The war told from the OTHER
> > > > sides point of view is intriguing.
> >
> > > In this case, the war told from the other side's point of
> > > view is disgusting. There is no moral parity between the
> > > U.S. fighting men in the Pacific in World War II and the
> > > Japanese then. And now, learning that the whole premise
> > > was false, I'm very glad to have never given in to curiosity
> > > and seen this traitorous movie. Clint Eastwood has
> > > shamed himself.
> >
> > You know... in the instance of movies, at least, it really is pretty
> > much necessary to See the "evil" before you can claim even to Hear it,
> > much less to Speak to it...

> That would carry more weight if you applied ir evenly to
> the other side,

Gosh, maybe Eastwood should have made a movie like that, too.

Go back to bed-wetting.

Mike
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On Sep 23, 6:48 pm, "JohnK" <D....DeleteThis@Duh.com> wrote:
> Based on your comment, they are both films are pretty much above your head
> so save your money and don't go see them. Clint Eastwood, as a director, did
> a magnificent job.

Above my head or not, I saw 'Flags of Our Fathers' and liked
it for the most part, except for some of Harve Presnell's
comments (written for him of course). If the movie had left
out the 'Iggy' incident it would not have been very honorable,
though, IMO. The book was better, but the movie still was
good.
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Maybe the only letters he got were ones that said, "He won 10 million
dollars in the Clearinghouse sweepstakes."


"JohnK" <Duh.DeleteThis@Duh.com> wrote in message
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> "Chairman Mao says:" <Mao-ze-Dong.DeleteThis@prc.com> wrote in message
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>> I am sure this will be a good Bitter Anklo movie.
>>
>> Any letters written to him?
>
> This assumes he can read.
>
>
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"JohnK" <Duh RemoveThis @Duh.com> wrote in message
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> "Calvin" <crice5 RemoveThis @windstream.net> wrote in message
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> > On Sep 23, 9:47 am, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
> > > I haven't seen this movie yet, because I generally don't like war
> > > movies. But the premise sounds interesting enough, and I never took
it
> > > as any more than a fact-based fiction. The war told from the OTHER
> > > sides point of view is intriguing.
> >
> > In this case, the war told from the other side's point of
> > view is disgusting. There is no moral parity between the
> > U.S. fighting men in the Pacific in World War II and the
> > Japanese then. And now, learning that the whole premise
> > was false, I'm very glad to have never given in to curiosity
> > and seen this traitorous movie. Clint Eastwood has
> > shamed himself.
> >
>
> I saw both Flags and Letters.
> Neither movie is about Good and Evil or about
> being morally right or wrong.
> What both movies do is show events from the point of view of the guy on
the
> ground. A position which universally has little control over the events
> surrounding him and to which he is subordinate.
> Based on your comment, they are both films are pretty much above your head
> so save your money and don't go see them. Clint Eastwood, as a director,
did
> a magnificent job.
>
>


letters is a far better movie
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"Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmucci DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote in message
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> "George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230 DeleteThis @copper.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:16:46 -0400, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmucci DeleteThis @rcn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >the Pac war was fought between tow powers for colonial/economic reasons.
>> >it was not a "war of liberation" on the part of anyone.
>> >the western powers were trying to hold onto their conquered lands while
> the
>> >japanese were trying to take them away.
>> >
>> >for the allies the Pac war was one of reconquest.
>>
>> Not even in .. the Twilight Zone ..
>
> so we were trying to "liberate" our colony the philippines?
> britain was trying to "liberate" burma, malaya and save india?
> the allies were trying to "liberate" the dutch east indies and
> cochinchina
> bot of which were returned to the dutch and french after the war?
>
> you are in the twilight zone if you think "liberation"
> had anything to do with the allied strategy.
> godsam 60+ years after the war and out wartime propaganda still holds
> firm.
>
> get a clue buddy
> \\


Was it all GW Bush's fault too?

Liberals always must find some shred of evidence to blame someone and point
the finger as part of the "I hate America First crowd."

You can be best buddy with Bitter Anklo when it shows up.
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Chairman Mao says: wrote:

> Was it all GW Bush's fault too?

No. Why would you assume it was?

> Liberals always must find some shred of evidence to blame someone and point
> the finger

You have a typo int eh above. Substitute "NeoCon" for "Liberal."

You are welcome.

> as part of the "I hate America First crowd."

Yes, we all know the NeoCons hate the America described in the
Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. You are merely
reiterating the obvious when you state that...

Clarity and truthfulness are so important to rational discussions.

Dan
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On Sep 23, 7:46 pm, Calvin <cri... DeleteThis @windstream.net> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 7:11 pm, mtfes... DeleteThis @netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
>
> > In soc.culture.japan Calvin <cri... DeleteThis @windstream.net> wrote:
> > > On Sep 23, 4:42 pm, moviePig <pwall... DeleteThis @moviepig.com> wrote:
> > > > You know... in the instance of movies, at least, it really is pretty
> > > > much necessary to See the "evil" before you can claim even to Hear it,
> > > > much less to Speak to it...
> > > That would carry more weight if you applied ir evenly to
> > > the other side,
>
> > Gosh, maybe Eastwood should have made a movie like that, too.
> > ...
>
> The person to whom I was responding knew what I meant
> by the 'other side'. I meant ideological side, the left rather
> than the right. He loves to 'correct' conservatives who have
> an opinion about a movie or book without seeing or reading
> it, but he never corrects liberals who do the same thing.

Anyone's excused for declining to see a movie because their best clues
suggested they'd like another better. They'd remain unentitled to
pontificate about the skipped movie, of course ...or at least to
defend such pontifications in the face of informed opposition. (Note
that we are talking about movies... where the investment required to
actually know what one's talking about is minimal, especially when one
is purportedly a movie enthusiast.) And, although it's not my purpose
to correct the world, if you have some clear instance in mind where
I've fallen short of that view, feel free to produce it...

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