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Doug Sulpy

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REVIEW

Well, it was "buy one get one free" time at Columbia House, so I
figured I'd pick up the MK2 DVD of "A King in New York" / "A Woman of
Paris," the one MK2 DVD left that I hadn't felt any burning desire to
spend money on.

Like the other MK2 DVDs, this sports some of the worst extras in the
history of the format. Scenes which had been cut for reissue and
restored in the previous Image DVDs (thanks to David Shepard) are once
again cut here, and offered as extras, with no context, explanation or
order. Thank God the people who found the censored King Kong footage
weren't members of Association Chaplin, or we'd be watching Kong pick
off Fay Wray's clothing somewhere on the extras of disc two, right next
to the 35 minute documentary on "Protecting Wild Gorillas," trailers
from Yugoslavia, commentary by Hao Hsiao Hsien, and some guy, speaking
in French, explaining that the filmmakers originally intended to use
the Eiffel Tower instead of the Empire State Building, but that it's
better as it is because it shows the Americans as the brutal,
murderous, anti-big-gorilla thugs the entire world knows they are.

I'm barely exaggerating. Jim Jarmusch's comments on "King" amount to
little more than "America schtunk!" and he goes out of his way several
times to point out how much he agrees with Boy Michael's scripted
ravings. Speaking of Michael, it was excruciating even to watch
excerpts of his scenes in the documentary. Anyone remember Bobby Blake
in those MGM "Our Gang" episodes? Well, Michael's even worse. Everytime
I watch "King" (which, admittedly, isn't exactly often) I make a
bee-line for the "off" button at the point the kid appears in the film.
Now I remember why.

What also annoyed me in the documentary is the clear implication that
"King" failed because some evil McCarthyite cabal was intent on keeping
Chaplin's brilliant condemnation of the evils of Capitalism from the
American public. "It was only released in America 15 years later... and
then cut by 10 minutes..." Of course, they fail to mention that those
cuts were things like the musical number - hardly something to have
given American censors fits - and that the film might actually have
failed because it isn't very good.

They also fail to recognize the irony of their own images of Chaplin
working on his great screed on the evils of Capitalism, while
comfortably lounging on the lawn of his mansion, splitting his
attention between scrawling pages of cliche leftist propaganda, and the
crows that are messing up his manicured lawn.

As for "A Woman of Paris" - well, I watch that one even less than "A
King In New York." Not that it's a bad film - in fact, I thought it was
quite a good film - but these days I give it about as much time in my
life as any other silent melodrama (which means none). I also find it
difficult to escape my grudge against the film for existing at all -
for if it didn't, I can't help thinking that the world would have one
more Tramp film, and one less Edna Purviance vehicle - a trade-off, I
think, that any of us would gladly make.

The primary "extra" for "Woman" is Ralph Barton's 33 minute home movie
"Camille," which makes "Nice and Friendly" look like "Citizen Kane".
Except for the few moments where Chaplin appears, I can't imagine this
bloated home movie being of interest to anyone. A far better choice
would have been the unedited 12 minutes of Reel 8, which contains the
"City Lights" rehearsal footage (among other shots of Charlie) which
was used in "Unknown Chaplin" (of course, this would have made an even
BETTER extra for the "City Lights" DVD, but it's not there EITHER).

On the plus side, the "King In New York" disc contains what is
evidently the unedited (?) 3 minute short (a newsreel?) of Chaplin
conducting "Mandolin Serenade". While this has been excerpted
elsewhere, it's nice to see it here in the original context. See? I
found something nice to say.

Final thoughts:

Here's an idea for Assocation C. - ditch the lousy extras and reduce
all of the MK2 catalog to one disc per title, putting the "deleted
scenes" back where they belong. Replace the narrated "Gold Rush" with
the real thing, and forget about "A Woman of Paris" entirely. If you
have any room left, include what extras are really worth anyone's
attention (like the "Dictator" home movies), and put the original
version of "Shoulder Arms" on there, too - just to give us film wonks
SOME reason to purchase the whole thing a 3rd (or 4th) time. Then
package the DVDs in slim-line double cases, just like the 10 DVD Jerry
Lewis set, put them out there for $39.95 list, and get the thing into
Walmart.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:47 pm
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Doug Sulpy (KidAutoRaces@Venice.net) writes:
> REVIEW
>
> Well, it was "buy one get one free" time at Columbia House, so I
> figured I'd pick up the MK2 DVD of "A King in New York" / "A Woman of
> Paris," the one MK2 DVD left that I hadn't felt any burning desire to
> spend money on.
>
> Like the other MK2 DVDs, this sports some of the worst extras in the
> history of the format. Scenes which had been cut for reissue and
> restored in the previous Image DVDs (thanks to David Shepard) are once
> again cut here, and offered as extras, with no context, explanation or
> order. Thank God the people who found the censored King Kong footage
> weren't members of Association Chaplin, or we'd be watching Kong pick
> off Fay Wray's clothing somewhere on the extras of disc two, right next
> to the 35 minute documentary on "Protecting Wild Gorillas," trailers
> from Yugoslavia, commentary by Hao Hsiao Hsien, and some guy, speaking
> in French, explaining that the filmmakers originally intended to use
> the Eiffel Tower instead of the Empire State Building, but that it's
> better as it is because it shows the Americans as the brutal,
> murderous, anti-big-gorilla thugs the entire world knows they are.
>
> I'm barely exaggerating. Jim Jarmusch's comments on "King" amount to
> little more than "America schtunk!" and he goes out of his way several
> times to point out how much he agrees with Boy Michael's scripted
> ravings.

Somehow I didn't get that impression. Jarmusch says that New York is
"all about money." My son lives and works there, as does Jarmusch,
and I can't think of a more accurate assessment.

Speaking of Michael, it was excruciating even to watch
> excerpts of his scenes in the documentary. Anyone remember Bobby Blake
> in those MGM "Our Gang" episodes? Well, Michael's even worse. Everytime
> I watch "King" (which, admittedly, isn't exactly often) I make a
> bee-line for the "off" button at the point the kid appears in the film.
> Now I remember why.
>
> What also annoyed me in the documentary is the clear implication that
> "King" failed because some evil McCarthyite cabal was intent on keeping
> Chaplin's brilliant condemnation of the evils of Capitalism from the
> American public. "It was only released in America 15 years later... and
> then cut by 10 minutes..." Of course, they fail to mention that those
> cuts were things like the musical number - hardly something to have
> given American censors fits - and that the film might actually have
> failed because it isn't very good.

Well, realistically, admitting that the film isn't very good might
raise the question of why one should bother to watch it. How many DVDs
have you bought which include negative comments about the film?

> They also fail to recognize the irony of their own images of Chaplin
> working on his great screed on the evils of Capitalism, while
> comfortably lounging on the lawn of his mansion, splitting his
> attention between scrawling pages of cliche leftist propaganda, and the
> crows that are messing up his manicured lawn.

_King_ is not about the evils of caplitalism. It's about greed and the
kind of cultural decadence that ensues when making money is all people
think or care about.

Chaplin liked making money and living well, but it was hardly the only
thing he thought or cared about.

Isn't there also irony in the fact that Chaplin became a multimillionaire
by playing a tramp? But you don't seem to mind the Tramp.

> As for "A Woman of Paris" - well, I watch that one even less than "A
> King In New York." Not that it's a bad film - in fact, I thought it was
> quite a good film - but these days I give it about as much time in my
> life as any other silent melodrama (which means none). I also find it
> difficult to escape my grudge against the film for existing at all -
> for if it didn't, I can't help thinking that the world would have one
> more Tramp film, and one less Edna Purviance vehicle - a trade-off, I
> think, that any of us would gladly make.
>
> The primary "extra" for "Woman" is Ralph Barton's 33 minute home movie
> "Camille," which makes "Nice and Friendly" look like "Citizen Kane".
> Except for the few moments where Chaplin appears, I can't imagine this
> bloated home movie being of interest to anyone. A far better choice
> would have been the unedited 12 minutes of Reel 8, which contains the
> "City Lights" rehearsal footage (among other shots of Charlie) which
> was used in "Unknown Chaplin" (of course, this would have made an even
> BETTER extra for the "City Lights" DVD, but it's not there EITHER).

The _City Lights_ disk contains 8 minutes of Barton's footage, some of which
is quite interesting, and most of which is not all that exciting. It was
interesting to me because it indicated how well excerpts were selected for
_Unknown Chaplin_.


> On the plus side, the "King In New York" disc contains what is
> evidently the unedited (?) 3 minute short (a newsreel?) of Chaplin
> conducting "Mandolin Serenade". While this has been excerpted
> elsewhere, it's nice to see it here in the original context. See? I
> found something nice to say.
>
> Final thoughts:
>
> Here's an idea for Assocation C. - ditch the lousy extras and reduce
> all of the MK2 catalog to one disc per title, putting the "deleted
> scenes" back where they belong. Replace the narrated "Gold Rush" with
> the real thing, and forget about "A Woman of Paris" entirely. If you
> have any room left, include what extras are really worth anyone's
> attention (like the "Dictator" home movies), and put the original
> version of "Shoulder Arms" on there, too - just to give us film wonks
> SOME reason to purchase the whole thing a 3rd (or 4th) time. Then
> package the DVDs in slim-line double cases, just like the 10 DVD Jerry
> Lewis set, put them out there for $39.95 list, and get the thing into
> Walmart.

Doing these things would greatly reduce the informational value of the
set. Even that horrible Barton home movie tells me something.

Connie K.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:41 pm
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In article , Constance Kuriyama
wrote:

> ...How many DVDs
> have you bought which include negative comments about the film?

I do have some. The last one I watched was "Shatter," a Hammer / Shaw
Brothers co-production. And why NOT, in the documentary, address the
fact that Chaplin himself eventually thought "King" was a mistake?

> Isn't there also irony in the fact that Chaplin became a multimillionaire
> by playing a tramp? But you don't seem to mind the Tramp.

He didn't lecture people.

> The _City Lights_ disk contains 8 minutes of Barton's footage, some of which
> is quite interesting, and most of which is not all that exciting. It was
> interesting to me because it indicated how well excerpts were selected for
> _Unknown Chaplin_.

I agree with you - but it's far more palatable than "Camille." I didn't
realize so much of it was on the "City Lights" disc.

> > Here's an idea for Assocation C. <snip>
>
> Doing these things would greatly reduce the informational value of the
> set. Even that horrible Barton home movie tells me something.

I agree again, but it would sure sell a lot more copies to a lot more
people, many of whom would be introduced to Charlie's work for the
first time. I'm sure that's something all of us would like to see.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:21 am
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"Doug Sulpy" wrote in message



> Final thoughts:
>
> Here's an idea for Assocation C. - ditch the lousy extras and reduce
> all of the MK2 catalog to one disc per title, putting the "deleted
> scenes" back where they belong. Replace the narrated "Gold Rush" with
> the real thing, and forget about "A Woman of Paris" entirely. If you
> have any room left, include what extras are really worth anyone's
> attention (like the "Dictator" home movies), and put the original
> version of "Shoulder Arms" on there, too - just to give us film wonks
> SOME reason to purchase the whole thing a 3rd (or 4th) time. Then
> package the DVDs in slim-line double cases, just like the 10 DVD Jerry
> Lewis set, put them out there for $39.95 list, and get the thing into
> Walmart.

You forgot one thing...they need to make new NTSC masters from the original
elements, and ditch those shoddy ghosty sped-up PAL-to-NTSC conversions.

And even then, I'd still probably prefer the Shepard versions, because of
the better grayscale. I just like the look of those transfers better.

By the by, your email address I had has apparently gone the way of HER
FRIEND THE BANDIT...and of course, clever though it is,
KidAutoRaces.RemoveThis@Venice.com doesn't do it for me either...could you email me at
waverboyNOSPAM.RemoveThis@cablespeed.com (remove NOSPAM of course)? I had some more
Mutual stuff to Mutually discuss, plus a SHOULDER ARMS question or two...
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WaverBoy wrote:
> "James Neibaur" wrote in message
>
>
> > Actually I am one of those who believes Charlie's most interesting work is
> > in the short film format (not to state that I suddenly dislike Modern
> Times
> > or City Lights, of course).
> >
> > JN
>
> I completely agree. The Mutual Comedies are, IMO, his finest work; they're
> certainly his funniest. In them, his character struck the absolute right
> balance between pathos and anarchic mayhem. The later films lack much of
> the latter, and thus, lack manifestations of his mischievous, evil
> tendencies, which often provide some of the funniest moments. One of my
> favorite bits of all time is in THE COUNT, where he picks up the roasted
> bird with his cane and knocks the flunkey out for absolutely no reason at
> all.

You're right about all of this. But I think it is faulty to identify
the format as the determinant. I think it has a whole lot more to do
with the age of the industry overall and of Chaplin's development
within its context. The increasing maturity of the industry as well as
that of Chaplin within it has more to do with mitigating the delightful
"anarchic mayhem" than does the shift from shorts to features.
Interestingly, that mayhem gains popularity again at another time of
adolescence, with the Marx Brothers shortly after sound
disrupts/restarts the industrial growth pattern.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:27 pm
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Constance Kuriyama wrote:
> The Mutuals are full of exuberant vitality, but they always contain their
> disruptive energies within a plot.

I can't agree with you there. What's the plot of THE PAWN SHOP? Or
ONE A.M.? Or THE ADVENTURER?

It seems to me that the best Chaplin films, throughout his career,
are the ones that present an evolving situation rather than a true
plot. Chaplin films work best when there isn't a lot of narrative
structure.



> Pure farce is typically a short form. Feature-length films virtually
> mandated the inclusion of some serious dramatic elements--romantic
> complications, for example, realistic characterization, and a more
> deliberate pace.
>
> The adjustments Chaplin made in his longer films were necessary and
> effective. I prefer the features. The Mutuals are excellent things
> of their kind, but one can only do so much in twenty minutes.

I don't prefer the features over the shorts, or vice versa. My
favorites, overall, are the First Nationals, because there you get a
lot of the spontaneity and freewheeling slapstick of the Mutuals, but
with slicker filmmaking skills and a worldview that's a little more
sophisticated. During this period, Chaplin is still more concerned with
entertaining you than with expressing himself, yet the films show
Charlie as more of a human being than as the overgrown seven-year-old
of the earlier period.

If all the Mutuals were as strong as THE RINK or THE PAWN SHOP, I'd
love them as much as anybody does. But for each one that's great,
there's one that's kind of weak, such as THE FIREMAN, THE COUNT or ONE
A.M. In spite of its fame, EASY STREET never seemed that good a film to
me.

Anyway, with the First Nationals, some films are better than others,
but his batting average seems higher overall to me.



--Shush--
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:38 pm
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Doug Sulpy 12/21/05 10:21 AM

> They also fail to recognize the irony of their own images of Chaplin
> working on his great screed on the evils of Capitalism, while
> comfortably lounging on the lawn of his mansion, splitting his
> attention between scrawling pages of cliche leftist propaganda, and the
> crows that are messing up his manicured lawn.

I still think that if King had not lapsed into preachiness it could have
been rather enjoyable. Chaplin's pantomime when ordering in the restaurant
and his attempt to deal with widescreen movies are fun. Maybe it would have
been a decent two-reeler.

JN
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:28 pm
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In article , James Neibaur
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> ll think that if King had not lapsed into preachiness it could have
> been rather enjoyable. Chaplin's pantomime when ordering in the restaurant
> and his attempt to deal with widescreen movies are fun. Maybe it would have
> been a decent two-reeler.
>
> JN

I agree - it's not great, but it's not bad until the point where
Michael enters the film.
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Doug Sulpy 12/22/05 9:28 AM

> I agree - it's not great, but it's not bad until the point where
> Michael enters the film.

And it isn't only Michael's fault (although I like your Mickey Gubitosi
cross-reference). You could have given that dialog to a great child actor
and it would have come off stilted. King's problem is that it just got too
preachy. But there is some funny stuff in there. I don't dislike the
movie.

Actually I am one of those who believes Charlie's most interesting work is
in the short film format (not to state that I suddenly dislike Modern Times
or City Lights, of course).

JN
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"James Neibaur" wrote in message


> Actually I am one of those who believes Charlie's most interesting work is
> in the short film format (not to state that I suddenly dislike Modern
Times
> or City Lights, of course).
>
> JN

I completely agree. The Mutual Comedies are, IMO, his finest work; they're
certainly his funniest. In them, his character struck the absolute right
balance between pathos and anarchic mayhem. The later films lack much of
the latter, and thus, lack manifestations of his mischievous, evil
tendencies, which often provide some of the funniest moments. One of my
favorite bits of all time is in THE COUNT, where he picks up the roasted
bird with his cane and knocks the flunkey out for absolutely no reason at
all.
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Doug Sulpy (KidAutoRaces@Venice.net) writes:
> In article , Constance Kuriyama
> wrote:
>
>> ...How many DVDs
>> have you bought which include negative comments about the film?
>
> I do have some. The last one I watched was "Shatter," a Hammer / Shaw
> Brothers co-production. And why NOT, in the documentary, address the
> fact that Chaplin himself eventually thought "King" was a mistake?

That would be OK. But I don't have a single tape that isn't hyped to the
nines, and I have a lot of tapes.

>> Isn't there also irony in the fact that Chaplin became a multimillionaire
>> by playing a tramp? But you don't seem to mind the Tramp.
>
> He didn't lecture people.

I'm not sure there's a lot of lecturing in KINY. Rupert is obviously
spouting a party line by rote and is a bit ridiculous. Shadov himself
simply accepts the world as it is and takes what he can get. Overall
the film seems rather distanced in its view--"This too shall pass, like
every other idiotic thing people take too seriously." It actually has some
good bits in it as well--Rupert wandering in the snow to the strains of
"Weeping Willows," for example.


>> The _City Lights_ disk contains 8 minutes of Barton's footage, some of which
>> is quite interesting, and most of which is not all that exciting. It was
>> interesting to me because it indicated how well excerpts were selected for
>> _Unknown Chaplin_.
>
> I agree with you - but it's far more palatable than "Camille." I didn't
> realize so much of it was on the "City Lights" disc.
>
>> > Here's an idea for Assocation C. <snip>
>>
>> Doing these things would greatly reduce the informational value of the
>> set. Even that horrible Barton home movie tells me something.
>
> I agree again, but it would sure sell a lot more copies to a lot more
> people, many of whom would be introduced to Charlie's work for the
> first time. I'm sure that's something all of us would like to see.

I agree that an economical set including a selection of the "best of Chaplin"
might be a very good idea. The cheapie sets presently available are
rubbish.

Connie K.
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WaverBoy 12/22/05 12:27 PM

> I completely agree. The Mutual Comedies are, IMO, his finest work; they're
> certainly his funniest. In them, his character struck the absolute right
> balance between pathos and anarchic mayhem

I always fear that I will appear to be dismissing something as fullfilling
and brilliant as The Kid when championing the Mutuals as his best work, but
I assume everyone in this newsgroup knows me better. I think each period in
Chaplin's short film career is exciting and revealing from the primitive
Keystones through the transitional Essanays, and the perfected Mutuals.

JN
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"David Totheroh" (dtotheroh@aol.com) writes:
> WaverBoy wrote:
>> "James Neibaur" wrote in message
>>
>>
>> > Actually I am one of those who believes Charlie's most interesting work is
>> > in the short film format (not to state that I suddenly dislike Modern
>> Times
>> > or City Lights, of course).
>> >
>> > JN
>>
>> I completely agree. The Mutual Comedies are, IMO, his finest work; they're
>> certainly his funniest. In them, his character struck the absolute right
>> balance between pathos and anarchic mayhem. The later films lack much of
>> the latter, and thus, lack manifestations of his mischievous, evil
>> tendencies, which often provide some of the funniest moments. One of my
>> favorite bits of all time is in THE COUNT, where he picks up the roasted
>> bird with his cane and knocks the flunkey out for absolutely no reason at
>> all.
>
> You're right about all of this. But I think it is faulty to identify
> the format as the determinant. I think it has a whole lot more to do
> with the age of the industry overall and of Chaplin's development
> within its context. The increasing maturity of the industry as well as
> that of Chaplin within it has more to do with mitigating the delightful
> "anarchic mayhem" than does the shift from shorts to features.
> Interestingly, that mayhem gains popularity again at another time of
> adolescence, with the Marx Brothers shortly after sound
> disrupts/restarts the industrial growth pattern.

The Mutuals are full of exuberant vitality, but they always contain their
disruptibe energies within a plot. In other words, they are farces.

Pure farce is typically a short form. Feature-length films virtually
mandated the inclusion of some serious dramatic elements--romantic
complications, for example, realistic characterization, and a more
deliberate pace.

The Marx Brothers' anarchic style had a certain initial appeal because of
its novelty, but the novelty wore off quickly because audiences needed
more than anarchy to sustain their interest.

The adjustments Chaplin made in his longer films were necessary and
effective. I prefer the features. The Mutuals are excellent things
of their kind, but one can only do so much in twenty minutes.

Connie K.
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Constance Kuriyama 12/22/05 2:12 PM

> The Marx Brothers' anarchic style had a certain initial appeal because of
> its novelty, but the novelty wore off quickly because audiences needed
> more than anarchy to sustain their interest.

Actually, I seem to recall that the more anarchic Marx films didn't enjoy
real popularity until the late sixties/early seventies. Duck Soup was
enough of a box office flop to cause the Brothers to be fired from
Paramount. Their MGM films were tamer and made more money.

> The adjustments Chaplin made in his longer films were necessary and
> effective.

Of course they were. My preferring the Mutuals does not diminish my respect
for the features.

>I prefer the features. The Mutuals are excellent things
> of their kind, but one can only do so much in twenty minutes.

It's subjective, really, when discussed among those who have the
appreciation of Chaplin that we do.

JN
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James Neibaur (jneibaur@wi.rr.com) writes:
> Constance Kuriyama 12/22/05 2:12 PM
>
>> The Marx Brothers' anarchic style had a certain initial appeal because of
>> its novelty, but the novelty wore off quickly because audiences needed
>> more than anarchy to sustain their interest.
>
> Actually, I seem to recall that the more anarchic Marx films didn't enjoy
> real popularity until the late sixties/early seventies. Duck Soup was
> enough of a box office flop to cause the Brothers to be fired from
> Paramount. Their MGM films were tamer and made more money.

They were fired because the returns from their films declined, or so I've read.
The first ones did well enough that they weren't fired immediately.

Their early films got praise from some critics in the 60s and 70s. I don't
care for them. _Animal Crackers_ put both me and my son to sleep. The MGM
films, on the other hand, if you can stomach the syrupy romantic plotlines,
space out the mayhem and contain some true Marx Brothers gems.

Connie K.


>> The adjustments Chaplin made in his longer films were necessary and
>> effective.
>
> Of course they were. My preferring the Mutuals does not diminish my respect
> for the features.
>
>>I prefer the features. The Mutuals are excellent things
>> of their kind, but one can only do so much in twenty minutes.
>
> It's subjective, really, when discussed among those who have the
> appreciation of Chaplin that we do.
>
> JN
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