ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote?

ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote?

Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Sun, Apr 18, 2004, 6:54am
(EDT-3) From: frank RemoveThis @wildtrax.de (Frank Kruse)
Hello All!
Is it possible to fit a schoeps ORTF or small AB-setup into a regular
rycote so the front is at the side of the zeppelin? I´m trying to find
a setup that is as compact as an MS rig but carries a spaced pair
without the need of two windshields or mic stands. something I can
operate like a shotgun. that gives we the nice wide image of a spaced
pair when I find that better than MS...
thanks for the hints,
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Eric
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

ORTF would require too wide of a spacing to fit into the Windshield, but
Rycote does make an adaptor to fit a four point stereo suspension that will
switch between X/Y and M-S. However, it's a little pricey.

Brad Harper


"Frank Kruse" <frank.DeleteThis@wildtrax.de> wrote in message
news:96ec8d22.0404180554.48baa7c7@posting.google.com...
> Hello All!
>
> Is it possible to fit a schoeps ORTF or small AB-setup into a regular
> rycote so the front is at the side of the zeppelin? I´m trying to find
> a setup that is as compact as an MS rig but carries a spaced pair
> without the need of two windshields or mic stands. something I can
> operate like a shotgun. that gives we the nice wide image of a spaced
> pair when I find that better than MS...
>
> thanks for the hints,
>
> frank.
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

"Brad Harper" <bradharper.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<wvxgc.20622$yD1.47655@attbi_s54>...
> ORTF would require too wide of a spacing to fit into the Windshield, but
> Rycote does make an adaptor to fit a four point stereo suspension that will
> switch between X/Y and M-S. However, it's a little pricey.
>
> Brad Harper
>
>
> ORTF spacing is 17cm so You could fit them in a regular 416 Rycote
( with remote capsules) side by side, there might be ready solutions for this also.
Matii Lehtonen
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

I have taken a closer look at this and now believe this might be possible. I
have the Schoeps STC mount and if you remove the clip it will attach to a
suspension clip. The use of the STC with KC active cables allows for a more
compact mount than the one with built in preamps. I can fit this assembly
into the Stereo Extended Ball Gag but it only allows about 1/2" between the
capsule and the Windshield. I doubt that this is sufficient for good wind
protection but it does fit. A longer windshield would not necessarily allow
any additional space because the needed space is more circumference.

Brad Harper
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

"Brad Harper" <bradharper.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<_5Ugc.166684$w54.1118538@attbi_s01>...
> I have taken a closer look at this and now believe this might be possible. I
> have the Schoeps STC mount and if you remove the clip it will attach to a
> suspension clip. The use of the STC with KC active cables allows for a more
> compact mount than the one with built in preamps. I can fit this assembly
> into the Stereo Extended Ball Gag but it only allows about 1/2" between the
> capsule and the Windshield. I doubt that this is sufficient for good wind
> protection but it does fit. A longer windshield would not necessarily allow
> any additional space because the needed space is more circumference.
>
> Brad Harper

Thanks Brad,

I think I´ll go for a stereo bar and 2 softies on 2 Omnis as they are
not that sensitive to wind.

Frank.
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

Make sure to get a wide stereo bar for omni capsules to get enough stereo
seperation. I am not sure how the softies work on omnis. I might be tempted
to try a Schoeps W5 or Baby Ball Gag instead. What is it that you are
recording?

Brad Harper

> Thanks Brad,
>
> I think I´ll go for a stereo bar and 2 softies on 2 Omnis as they are
> not that sensitive to wind.
>
> Frank.
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

I want to record backgrounds. I often find MS not wide enough and
bringing up the s-channel in post give s you trouble with the dolby
matrix because of it´s´phase reverse character after decoding.
Do you think an ORTF setp with two cardioids and a small bar would be
better?

frank.


"Brad Harper" <bradharper RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message news:<njdhc.34743$0b4.48347@attbi_s51>...
> Make sure to get a wide stereo bar for omni capsules to get enough stereo
> seperation. I am not sure how the softies work on omnis. I might be tempted
> to try a Schoeps W5 or Baby Ball Gag instead. What is it that you are
> recording?
>
> Brad Harper
>
> > Thanks Brad,
> >
> > I think I´ll go for a stereo bar and 2 softies on 2 Omnis as they are
> > not that sensitive to wind.
> >
> > Frank.
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

ORTF is my favorite for most stereo recordings, however, it also has it's
disadvantages. It is not 100% mono compatible so there can be some phasing.
A/B has quite a bit of phasing and I personally would not recommend it for
anything other than classical music recordings in a controlled environment
when you really want to hear the room. If you want to be 100% safe then an
X/Y pair would be a good bet. You will get a little less spaciousness than
ORTF but you will keep 100% mono compatibility which may or may not be
important to you. If you decide to go X/Y Rycote has a very nice (expensive)
rig. If you decide to try ORTF my favorite setup is with two MK41 capsules
at 103 degrees with a 10" spacing. This will give you even more spaciousness
than MK4 capsules. If it is not too windy you might get away with Schoeps
W5D windscreens but you may need Baby Ball Gags with Windjammers. These are
not my favorite because you definitely loose some high end response.

Brad Harper


"Frank Kruse" <frank DeleteThis @wildtrax.de> wrote in message
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> I want to record backgrounds. I often find MS not wide enough and
> bringing up the s-channel in post give s you trouble with the dolby
> matrix because of it´s´phase reverse character after decoding.
> Do you think an ORTF setp with two cardioids and a small bar would be
> better?
>
> frank.
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

>If you decide to go X/Y Rycote has a very nice (expensive)
> rig.

Careful. I had bad experiences using it on a boom. I told Schoeps.
That accesory produces very noticeable low freq borne noise if it's
not steady. That is my experience. Otherwise is great.

Fernando
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote? 

I also had some strange, sort of creaking noises when I used their stereo
ball for Shoeps and it was from the suspension somewhere.
It was cold(-17C), but I still need a quiet mike in that nonreflecting
snow...

Oscar Lovnér
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>> If you decide to go X/Y Rycote has a very nice (expensive)
>> rig.
>
> Careful. I had bad experiences using it on a boom. I told Schoeps.
> That accesory produces very noticeable low freq borne noise if it's
> not steady. That is my experience. Otherwise is great.
>
> Fernando
 >> Stay informed about: ORTF or small AB stereo setup in Rycote?