Pictures of An Older Edna?

Burbank74 (burbank74@aol.com) writes:
> On page 37 of David Robinson's "CC: Comic Genius" (or "CC: The Art of Comedy" -
> UK edition) there is a candid photo of Charlie on the set and in costume for
> CITY LIGHTS, explaining something to an attentive Edna. Only problem is A. This
> is probably circa 1930 - so not quite late enough and B. We only are treated to
> the right profile of her face.

Not even the full right profile, unfortunately.

I've never seen a photo of Edna taken later than this one, or heard of anyone
else seeing one.

In his autobiography, on p. 493, Chaplin says that when he called Edna in
while he was casting _Verdoux_, neither he nor Rollie had seen her for
twenty years, and when he decided not to cast her, he didn't hear from her
again until after he closed the studio. If his memory is correct--and nothing
so far disproves it--then she was not in these later films.

Connie K.
--
"Our century is inconceivable without its . . . inconclusive mob of isms."
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The only thing, Connie, is that Chaplin's memory WAS somewhat less
than 100% regarding such things in his later years. On page 161 of
his "My Life in Pictures," for example, he writes that he could not
remember the name of the "photogenic" elderly white haired lady who
played Edna's mom in "The Immigrant" - and it was of course Kitty
Bradbury, who also played Edna's mom in "The Pilgraim." I guess I am
suggesting that, based on this, Chaplin's memory in his later years of
who did/did not appear in his films is not NECESSARILY dispositive!

Lonnie N.




>
> In his autobiography, on p. 493, Chaplin says that when he called Edna in
> while he was casting _Verdoux_, neither he nor Rollie had seen her for
> twenty years, and when he decided not to cast her, he didn't hear from her
> again until after he closed the studio. If his memory is correct--and nothing
> so far disproves it--then she was not in these later films.
>
> Connie K.
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lonnien DeleteThis @starpower.net (Lonnie) wrote in message news:<c4915e11.0403191515.2482de7f DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...
> The only thing, Connie, is that Chaplin's memory WAS somewhat less
> than 100% regarding such things in his later years. On page 161 of
> his "My Life in Pictures," for example, he writes that he could not
> remember the name of the "photogenic" elderly white haired lady who
> played Edna's mom in "The Immigrant" - and it was of course Kitty
> Bradbury, who also played Edna's mom in "The Pilgraim." I guess I am
> suggesting that, based on this, Chaplin's memory in his later years of
> who did/did not appear in his films is not NECESSARILY dispositive!

Well, I did say "if." :-)

But Chaplin was over ten years older--in his eighties--when he did _My
Life in
Pictures_. Kitty Bradbury had small parts in two of his films fifty
years earlier. Edna was his co-star and companion for eight years, and
had been in
touch with him only ten years before he wrote his autobiography. These
are
details to consider when estimating how good his memory was in the
1960s.

Connie K.
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I don't think I agree that the picture in Robinson IS Edna, regardless
of what Robinson says. Anyone else get the "that's not Edna" vibe?

D.

In article <c3faou$ohs$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>, Constance Kuriyama
<do481.RemoveThis@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:

> Burbank74 (burbank74@aol.com) writes:
> > On page 37 of David Robinson's "CC: Comic Genius" (or "CC: The Art of
> > Comedy" -
> > UK edition) there is a candid photo of Charlie on the set and in costume for
> > CITY LIGHTS, explaining something to an attentive Edna. Only problem is A.
> > This
> > is probably circa 1930 - so not quite late enough and B. We only are
> > treated to
> > the right profile of her face.
>
> Not even the full right profile, unfortunately.
>
> I've never seen a photo of Edna taken later than this one, or heard of anyone
> else seeing one.
>
> In his autobiography, on p. 493, Chaplin says that when he called Edna in
> while he was casting _Verdoux_, neither he nor Rollie had seen her for
> twenty years, and when he decided not to cast her, he didn't hear from her
> again until after he closed the studio. If his memory is correct--and nothing
> so far disproves it--then she was not in these later films.
>
> Connie K.
> --
> "Our century is inconceivable without its . . . inconclusive mob of isms."
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Doug Sulpy (dsulpy@ptd.net) writes:
> I don't think I agree that the picture in Robinson IS Edna, regardless
> of what Robinson says. Anyone else get the "that's not Edna" vibe?
>
> D.

It could be, but I wouldn't swear to it.

Connie K.


> In article <c3faou$ohs$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>, Constance Kuriyama
> <do481 RemoveThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>> Burbank74 (burbank74@aol.com) writes:
>> > On page 37 of David Robinson's "CC: Comic Genius" (or "CC: The Art of
>> > Comedy" -
>> > UK edition) there is a candid photo of Charlie on the set and in costume for
>> > CITY LIGHTS, explaining something to an attentive Edna. Only problem is A.
>> > This
>> > is probably circa 1930 - so not quite late enough and B. We only are
>> > treated to
>> > the right profile of her face.
>>
>> Not even the full right profile, unfortunately.
>>
>> I've never seen a photo of Edna taken later than this one, or heard of anyone
>> else seeing one.
>>
>> In his autobiography, on p. 493, Chaplin says that when he called Edna in
>> while he was casting _Verdoux_, neither he nor Rollie had seen her for
>> twenty years, and when he decided not to cast her, he didn't hear from her
>> again until after he closed the studio. If his memory is correct--and nothing
>> so far disproves it--then she was not in these later films.
>>
>> Connie K.
>> --
>> "Our century is inconceivable without its . . . inconclusive mob of isms."

--
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>I don't think I agree that the picture in Robinson IS Edna, regardless
>of what Robinson says. Anyone else get the "that's not Edna" vibe?

I have it from an irrefutable source that the woman in this picture is Minnie
Chaplin, Syd's wife.

Ta, Lisa
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lisksten.RemoveThis@cs.com (Lisksten) writes:

But first quotes someone else (whom she does not name):

>> I don't think I agree that the picture
>> in Robinson IS Edna, regardless
>> of what Robinson says. Anyone else
>> get the "that's not Edna" vibe?

> I have it from an irrefutable source that
> the woman in this picture is Minnie
> Chaplin, Syd's wife.

Why is that the instant someone claims they have an "irrefutable source" and
then refuses to name them, I instantly don't believe whatever they say?

Is is just me?


Tom Moran

"You can get a great deal of entertainment
out of tedious people if you keep your head.''
-- W. Somerset Maugham
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Lisksten (lisksten@cs.com) writes:
>>I don't think I agree that the picture in Robinson IS Edna, regardless
>>of what Robinson says. Anyone else get the "that's not Edna" vibe?
>
> I have it from an irrefutable source that the woman in this picture is Minnie
> Chaplin, Syd's wife.
>
> Ta, Lisa

Since Syd was working in England during the making of _City Lights_, and then
moved to the south of France, I'm rather skeptical.

Connie K.
--
"Our century is inconceivable without its . . . inconclusive mob of isms."
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Feuillade (feuillade@aol.com) writes:
> lisksten.DeleteThis@cs.com (Lisksten) writes:
>
> But first quotes someone else (whom she does not name):
>
>>> I don't think I agree that the picture
>>> in Robinson IS Edna, regardless
>>> of what Robinson says. Anyone else
>>> get the "that's not Edna" vibe?
>
>> I have it from an irrefutable source that
>> the woman in this picture is Minnie
>> Chaplin, Syd's wife.
>
> Why is that the instant someone claims they have an "irrefutable source" and
> then refuses to name them, I instantly don't believe whatever they say?
>
> Is is just me?
>
>
> Tom Moran
>
> "You can get a great deal of entertainment
> out of tedious people if you keep your head.''
> -- W. Somerset Maugham
>

In this case you're probably dead right. While we have an excellent view of
the back of the woman's head, it's not much to base an ID on.

Connie K.
--
"Our century is inconceivable without its . . . inconclusive mob of isms."
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>do481@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Constance Kuriyama)

>Feuillade (feuillade@aol.com) writes:
>> lisksten DeleteThis @cs.com (Lisksten) writes:
>>
>> But first quotes someone else (whom she does not name):
>>
>>>> I don't think I agree that the picture
>>>> in Robinson IS Edna, regardless
>>>> of what Robinson says. Anyone else
>>>> get the "that's not Edna" vibe?
>>
>>> I have it from an irrefutable source that
>>> the woman in this picture is Minnie
>>> Chaplin, Syd's wife.
>>
>> Why is that the instant someone claims they have an "irrefutable source"
>and
>> then refuses to name them, I instantly don't believe whatever they say?
>>
>> Is is just me?
>>
>>
>> Tom Moran
>>
>> "You can get a great deal of entertainment
>> out of tedious people if you keep your head.''
>> -- W. Somerset Maugham
>>
>
>In this case you're probably dead right. While we have an excellent view of
>the back of the woman's head, it's not much to base an ID on.
>

Debates lasting weeks around here have been based on even less information,
sad to say.

Richard Carnahan
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