RED Camera question.

On Dec 16, 12:02 pm, Mike Paul wrote:
> http://www.sounddevices.com/notes/cameras/red-one/

Thank you Mike. Found the answers.


Eric
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Supposedly there are a number of different builds for the RED. You may
want to verify which build the camera is and check with RED on the
specs, as the company is supposedly addressing the non-standard line
input issue. On the model I worked with the gain controls were menu
driven and only available on the mic inputs. I used non-attenuated
cables and connected to the camera via unbalanced, consumer line level
outputs (to the line level input). As you'd guess, levels were way
low, but surprisingly good when played back at 24 bit. At 16 bit they
were all but inaudible. We were doing double system, so it was just a
scratch track anyway.
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Several reports are coming in that with the Audio Hardware upgrade for
the Red One the eyepiece pulsates with the audio coming into the
camera on any of the TA3's ports. At this point no one is reporting if
this is affecting the picture quality being recorded.
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On Dec 16, 5:37 pm, Scott wrote:
> Several reports are coming in that with the Audio Hardware upgrade for
> the Red One the eyepiece pulsates with the audio coming into the
> camera on any of the TA3's ports. At this point no one is reporting if
> this is affecting the picture quality being recorded.

I shot on a build 16 RED in Aug/Sept and the eyepiece did the
pulsating thing. i may have been when the signal almost peaked, but
either way the DP told me it was pretty freakin distracting. I can ask
about the peaking thing, but i think that was what he said. It did NOT
affect the video being recorded on our project. It's also possible
that only happened with some other setting on the eyepiece in a
particular position. I can ask the DP later today, i'm supposed to
meet up with him. He's shot on that same RED body more than once, so
he may have more insight.

Because the RED was known to be sketchy with audio, i sent them a
single XLR cable feeding a scratch track. If i had more prep time, i
would have made a Comtek-RED cable. I knew there was an imminent audio
board replacement, so i didn't really want to buy one (for the soon to
be replaced setup), and neither did production. I was recording audio
to a PD-6, so that's where their real audio is. I basically took the
outputs of my PD-6 and fed them into an ENG mixer (on my cart) and
used that to maintain a happy level on the camera. The build we had
did not support level adjustments on line inputs. It might have with
mic level, but i heard the mic level signal recording was terrible.

I don't know what has changed with build 17, and if they ever started
replacing the audio boards. I'm supposed to shoot with the same camera
in a little over a month, but i have not talked to the owner yet about
what has changed.

-johnpaul
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He said in the post that it was 17.

Martin H


On 17/12/08 4:28 AM, in article
ffcce575-f12e-4736-84a5-8982e0717df5.TakeThisOut@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "Marco
Leavitt" wrote:

> Supposedly there are a number of different builds for the RED. You may
> want to verify which build the camera is and check with RED on the
> specs, as the company is supposedly addressing the non-standard line
> input issue. On the model I worked with the gain controls were menu
> driven and only available on the mic inputs. I used non-attenuated
> cables and connected to the camera via unbalanced, consumer line level
> outputs (to the line level input). As you'd guess, levels were way
> low, but surprisingly good when played back at 24 bit. At 16 bit they
> were all but inaudible. We were doing double system, so it was just a
> scratch track anyway.
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On Dec 16, 2:57 pm, Martin Harrington wrote:
> He said in the post that it was 17.
>
> Martin H
>
> On 17/12/08 4:28 AM, in article
> ffcce575-f12e-4736-84a5-8982e0717... DeleteThis @i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "Marco
>
> Leavitt" wrote:
> > Supposedly there are a number of different builds for the RED. You may
> > want to verify which build the camera is and check with RED on the
> > specs, as the company is supposedly addressing the non-standard line
> > input issue. On the model I worked with the gain controls were menu
> > driven and only available on the mic inputs. I used non-attenuated
> > cables and connected to the camera via unbalanced, consumer line level
> > outputs (to the line level input). As you'd guess, levels were way
> > low, but surprisingly good when played back at 24 bit. At 16 bit they
> > were all but inaudible. We were doing double system, so it was just a
> > scratch track anyway.

My local Red owners are fine with us trying to record audio on the
camera as long as it doesn't get in their way and as long as we do
double system too. As with any video camera recording a backup is a
good idea. It happens to be a PARTICULARLY good idea with this
camera.

Philip Perkins
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On Dec 16, 2:57 pm, Martin Harrington wrote:
> He said in the post that it was 17.
>
> Martin H
>
> On 17/12/08 4:28 AM, in article
> ffcce575-f12e-4736-84a5-8982e0717... RemoveThis @i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "Marco
>
> Leavitt" wrote:
> > Supposedly there are a number of different builds for the RED. You may
> > want to verify which build the camera is and check with RED on the
> > specs, as the company is supposedly addressing the non-standard line
> > input issue. On the model I worked with the gain controls were menu
> > driven and only available on the mic inputs. I used non-attenuated
> > cables and connected to the camera via unbalanced, consumer line level
> > outputs (to the line level input). As you'd guess, levels were way
> > low, but surprisingly good when played back at 24 bit. At 16 bit they
> > were all but inaudible. We were doing double system, so it was just a
> > scratch track anyway.

yes 17 is the revision but the important number is version and if it
the current official version then it will be v3.4.1 and if it is the
beta version then it will be v3.6.0 as of December 16, 2008

www.red.com/support - user guides and more information
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:03:13 -0800, Philip Perkins wrote
(in article
):

> As with any video camera recording a backup is a
> good idea. It happens to be a PARTICULARLY good idea with this
> camera.
>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<

My experience is that the audio that goes to the Red camera IS the backup.
The real audio would be the recorder the mixer is using (Cantar, Deva, SD,
etc.). I've worked on 10 Red projects so far (2 features, 6 commercials, 2
documentaries), and none of them have used the sound going to camera for
anything thus far.

On the other hand, we haven't gotten in a Red project for post in about a
month, so anything could change. This is very much a moving target.

--MFW
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NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH THE RED SOUNDWISE. Double system. TC slate,
no need to run audio to the camera as it is a pain for all involved
and no reason to sync to the camera. Run a scratch track to camera
only if they need audio playback with picture. Your IFB gets its feed
from the camera. i did yet another 2 camera RED shoot with a director/
and DP from Boston Legal this weekend and to quote him "If the editor
is having a issue figuring this set up out, we better get a new
editor!"

Build 17 is the firmware the camera now ships with. Build 18 is the
beta firmware. As of 12/08. Scott's revision vs. version argument
doesn't really make sense to me as the firmware is named according to
it's build #?
ian
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On Dec 17, 9:26 am, " "
wrote:
> NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH THE RED SOUNDWISE. Double system. TC slate,
> no need to run audio to the camera as it is a pain for all involved
> and no reason to sync to the camera. Run a scratch track to camera
> only if they need audio playback with picture.  Your IFB gets its feed
> from the camera. i did yet  another 2 camera RED shoot with a director/
> and DP from Boston Legal this weekend and to quote him "If the editor
> is having a issue figuring this set up out, we better get a new
> editor!"
>
> Build 17 is the firmware the camera now ships with. Build  18 is the
> beta firmware. As of 12/08.  Scott's revision vs. version argument
> doesn't really make sense to me as the firmware is named according to
> it's build #?
> ian

Red uses a 2 part firmware update scheme and within build 17 the
firmware versions have changed, if you look at the update notes you
will see this. With each firmware change they address bug fixes and
added features. It is possible to have to 2 cameras on a job and they
each have a different version of firmware loaded. I have experienced
this where one camera came from rental house A and the other from
rental house B.

Yes there are two reasons to send audio to the Red camera, #1 the
client hired us with those requirements, #2 is as import as #1 in my
opinion, like your DP said about the editor not being able to figure
it out, then we had better learn to make sending audio to the camera
as pain free of an experience as possible otherwise some else will get
the call next time (I have gotten those very calls for the Red jobs
specifically saying "we want you to send audio to the camera and
provide a backup").
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"He said in the post that it was 17. "

Ah, my bad.
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On Dec 17, 10:06 pm, Marco Leavitt wrote:
> "He said in the post that it was 17. "
>
> Ah, my bad.

No sweat. Just home from day 1 with the RED. Pleasently surprised at
the audio quality going in line level from a 442 via snake. HP return
was clean & clear, camera is silent during recording but the RED ac/dc
power supply is very noisey unless it's covered with a towel or moved
far away (like another room). The metering leaves a lot to be desired
but it's useable. I did a test REC/PB from the RED HP out into a small
self powered speaker and it was full and rich so the client said feed
the camera, no backup to keep post simple and I had to agree. Day 2
starts in 10 hrs.

Eric
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