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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 12:16 am
Post subject: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 12:16 am
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In article , Badabing wrote:
> Hi all,
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> I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
> just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
> Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and can't do,
> and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
nobody really knows
gandalf the grey was under restrictions
not to be a military leader
but to limit himself mostly as an adviser and cheerleader
he had some skill with fire
but perhaps not beyond what a modern pyrotechnic expert could do
gandalf the white was on a mission from god (literaly)
so we dont know how far he was allowed to go
or with what special powers he had
he appeared ready to defend the gate single handed
perhaps with the expectation he could |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 12:16 am
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Badabing wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
> just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
> Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and can't do,
> and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
A complicated question.
In his native state he was a Maia, that is, effectively a demi-God,
same
as Sauron and Saruman. He would have had minor God-like powers.
But when he went to Middle Earth as an embodied man, he was supposed
to
be able to suffer mortal ills, though he would never die. And he was
forbidden to show his full powers. In a pinch he occasionally did
use
some, however, especially when confronting the Balrog. After he
returned from that bit, apparently he was less constrained.
Doug >> Stay informed about: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 12:33 am
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In article , Badabing
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
> just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
> Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and can't do,
> and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
>
He has the ability to manipulate all metals with just the power of his
mind. And a hunch back (don't forget the hunch back). >> Stay informed about: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 12:33 am
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Warchild wrote:
Various and a sundry snips.
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> He has the ability to manipulate all metals with just the power of his
> mind. And a hunch back (don't forget the hunch back).
Hunchback you say? I must admit that I did forget the hunchback.
Please be so kind to refresh that which passes for my memory these days.
Thanks in advance,
R Smith >> Stay informed about: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:33 am
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In article , Badabing wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
> just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
> Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and can't do,
> and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
Are you a non-reader because of some physical/mental handicap or are you
just too lazy to read the book? Of course, it certainly sounds like you've
read a lot of comic books (probably too many, in fact), so I have to assume
it's the latter. >> Stay informed about: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:19 am
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In article ,
r smith wrote:
> Warchild wrote:
> Various and a sundry snips.
> >
> > He has the ability to manipulate all metals with just the power of his
> > mind. And a hunch back (don't forget the hunch back).
>
>
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> Hunchback you say? I must admit that I did forget the hunchback.
> Please be so kind to refresh that which passes for my memory these days.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> R Smith
>
Jeez Louise - Magneto and Richard III.
What a bunch of maroons. >> Stay informed about: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:02 am
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"Warchild" wrote in message
> In article , Badabing
> wrote:
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> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
> > just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
> > Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and can't do,
> > and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
> >
>
> He has the ability to manipulate all metals with just the power of his
> mind. And a hunch back (don't forget the hunch back).
If this a joke, I'm not getting it.
Aris Katsaris >> Stay informed about: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:02 am
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In article , "Aris Katsaris"
wrote:
> "Warchild" wrote in message
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> > In article , Badabing
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
> > > just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
> > > Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and
can't do,
> > > and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
> > >
> >
> > He has the ability to manipulate all metals with just the power of his
> > mind. And a hunch back (don't forget the hunch back).
>
> If this a joke, I'm not getting it.
another movie >> Stay informed about: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:07 am
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:16:34 +0000,
Badabing wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
> just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
> Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and can't do,
> and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
He's an angel.
No, I'm not joking. He is an Ainu, an angelic order of beings. Technically
he is of lesser power than the Powers (the Valar), and is a Maia. Other
Maiar in Middle Earth are Saruman, the Balrog and Sauron.
--
Aaron Clausen
tao_of_cow/\alberni.net (replace /\ with @) >> Stay informed about: ROTK: To a non-reader, please explain Gandalf's powers |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:00 pm
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"Warchild" wrote in message
> In article ,
> r smith wrote:
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> > Warchild wrote:
> > Various and a sundry snips.
> > >
> > > He has the ability to manipulate all metals with just the power of his
> > > mind. And a hunch back (don't forget the hunch back).
> >
> > Hunchback you say? I must admit that I did forget the hunchback.
> > Please be so kind to refresh that which passes for my memory these days.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
>
> Jeez Louise - Magneto and Richard III.
Ah, well. Haven't seen Richard the III, though I recognized the Magneto
reference.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:16 pm
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:10:25 -0800, (cassandras
morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges) wrote:
>In article , "Aris Katsaris"
> wrote:
>
>> "Warchild" wrote in message
>>
>> > In article , Badabing
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
>> > > just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
>> > > Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and
>can't do,
>> > > and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
>> > >
>> >
>> > He has the ability to manipulate all metals with just the power of his
>> > mind. And a hunch back (don't forget the hunch back).
>>
>> If this a joke, I'm not getting it.
>
>another movie
In specific, it's two other starring roles of Ian McKellen.
HTH,
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:35 pm
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>Hi all,
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>I am no expert on the LOTR books but I like the films and thought ROTK was
>just awesome. But one thing that bugs me is the true extent and nature of
>Gandlaf's powers. Can someone summarize what precisely he can and can't do,
>and why he appears to have some powers in some scenes and none in others?
He's a Wizard in a Fantasy Novel, so if it's not clear blame the bad
writing. For more background on LOTR: read The Silmarillion.
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