Readable DVDs on Computer and consumer players

On Sep 22, 5:13 am, AdmNaism....DeleteThis@adelphia.net wrote:
> You could just burn them as an Audio CD. Any DVD player should read
> that.

My computer wont allow me to burn DVDs as audio CDs
I would be burning 6 CDs for 4 Gig.I know some DVDs burnt on PC are
opening on
the DVD players that more and more editting suites are using but not
the Mac DVDs
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On Sep 22, 9:09 am, jorigli....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey, Rob.
>
> Not quite sure what you mean. Do you mean you want the DVD to play as
> an audio cd would in a DVD player? Also when you say that you also
> want it readable on a computer, do you mean so that the OS mounts the
> disc as a drive so you can view the data on it?
>
> I think that would require you to burn two separate discs, one as an
> audio CD, and one as data. Also, I'm not sure how the toast audio cd
> capability would handle a BWF file of more than 2 tracks.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Joe
>
> On Sep 21, 3:31 am, Rob <robertmac....TakeThisOut@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Just wondering if anyone can help with burning software so my WAV
> > files
> > on DVD can be read on a DVD player as well as on computers.Currently
> > burning with toast on a Mac running OSX.
> > Thanks Rob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am just finding every edit suite to have a different ingesting
method to
input to Avid some are using PC others Mac and more just use a
consumer DVD player. Toast will do a data backup on DVD of as many
tracks as I use of
timecoded WAV files with metadata that opens fine on computers but
will
not be recognised by DVD players but editors are saying DVDs burnt on
PC work on all 3 ingesting methods
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Rob wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone can help with burning software so my WAV
> files
> on DVD can be read on a DVD player as well as on computers.Currently
> burning with toast on a Mac running OSX.
> Thanks Rob
>

Rob,

By DVD player you mean a consumer set-top player?

I think that would depend more on the DVD player. My current DVD
Recorder will read all applicable DVD formats plus MP3, MPEG4, WMA and
JPEG. Never really tried any of those, but the capability is built in.

Even if you got the files onto the DVD, I don't think the player would
have any idea what to do with them.

Most likely, you would need to look into the DVD-Audio format and figure
out how to encode your wav files to that format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio

---Matt
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Hey, Rob.

Not quite sure what you mean. Do you mean you want the DVD to play as
an audio cd would in a DVD player? Also when you say that you also
want it readable on a computer, do you mean so that the OS mounts the
disc as a drive so you can view the data on it?

I think that would require you to burn two separate discs, one as an
audio CD, and one as data. Also, I'm not sure how the toast audio cd
capability would handle a BWF file of more than 2 tracks.

Hope that helps,

Joe




On Sep 21, 3:31 am, Rob <robertmac....TakeThisOut@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone can help with burning software so my WAV
> files
> on DVD can be read on a DVD player as well as on computers.Currently
> burning with toast on a Mac running OSX.
> Thanks Rob
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On Sep 21, 8:15 pm, Rob <robertmac....TakeThisOut@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
> I am just finding every edit suite to have a different ingesting
> method to
> input to Avid some are using PC others Mac and more just use a
> consumer DVD player. Toast will do a data backup on DVD of as many
> tracks as I use of
> timecoded WAV files with metadata that opens fine on computers but
> will
> not be recognised by DVD players but editors are saying DVDs burnt on
> PC work on all 3 ingesting methods

I would not encourage any post facility to import audio by "playing"
it on a consumer DVD player. Even with a digital output, this would
require it being re-recorded on the AVID, hence a real-time (slow)
process. More importantly they would also lose all timecode. To my
knowledge, consumer DVD players do not see or transmit Metadata
regardless if the disc was made on a PC or Mac. This would be an awful
way to "ingest" audio.
Audio should be brought into any editing system as files: drag and
drop. Any PC or Mac these days can see files on a DVD+R or DVD-R.
Some can not see DVD-RAM. There are many external drives that can be
used for this (LG makes some inexpensive ones). I'm not sure what
advantage any editor would see to using a consumer player (other than
billing for more hours).
File format audio has been around for a few years now but we still see
too many post people who do not know how to deal with it.

Some post people with older AVID's (that do not support BWF with
timecode) use professional DVD recorders, mainly DV40's or DV824's, to
input audio. If their firmware is not up to date they will not read
BWF form UDF or FAT32 formated DVD's. It's useful to check your
settings on Toast and ask about their firmware. This may why they are
saying that PC DVD's work but Mac DVD's don't.

If you still have need to play BWF files on a consumer player, first
run them through a utility like Sebsky Tools which can place a
Quicktime wrapper on them and then burn your DVD. Many consumer
players can play Quicktime movies.

Antonio
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If post/telecine/editorial can't read a DVD-R burned with Toast in Mac
+PC (UDF) format, then they have no business handling any level of
professional audio. Consumer DVD players will also not run at an
exact speed, causing drift in even shorter takes. I have an LG
external drive, which cost less than $100 and can read all formats,
including DVD-RAM, and can allow any NLE system to read your files.
Any transfer/dubbing house with ANY degree of professionalism will
have the capacity to read your DVD-R .WAV files. Some editing systems
will have trouble reading polyphonic files with an odd number of
tracks, so stick to even number to be safe.
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:16:40 -0700, Robert Sharman commented:

> If post/telecine/editorial can't read a DVD-R burned with Toast in Mac
> +PC (UDF) format, then they have no business handling any level of
> professional audio.
>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<

It depends on how the DVD is burned, and the nature of the file formats.
There's a lot of "if's" involved, and the playability is not necessarily the
fault or responsibility of the post house.

Fostex DV-40 and DV-824 machines (which we use in 12 different dailies rooms
at my company in Hollywood) can't locate audio files buried more than two
directories deep on a disk. We generally advise clients to put the dailies
files in the root directory whenever possible, and to never put conflicting
timecoded files in the same directory -- that is, two days' worth of material
in one directory.

Also, the files have to be normal BWF with imbedded timecode. It's a good
idea to provide a written sound report so we know what sampling frequency,
bit rate, and timecode format was used, along with scene & take numbers, wild
track info, and so on. 23.97 audio timecode is still an issue, but we can
handle it to a point and have workarounds to get by. (This is currently a
problem with Evertz Tracker, but we're hoping it will be solved in the next
couple of months.)

We currently handle projects for every major studio in LA, along with dozens
of TV series. The only time I can recall we've ever had any problems are
micro-budgeted features and shorts where the clients didn't ask the right
questions prior to submitting the material for transfer. Some of those
disasters wound up costing the clients a great deal of time and money, but
the same thing would've happened at any post house in LA. (I should know:
I've worked for at least ten different companies in 30 years.)

--MFW
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On Mar 14, 8:12 pm, Marc Wielage <m....RemoveThis@musictrax.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:16:40 -0700, Robert Sharman commented:
>
> > If post/telecine/editorial can't read a DVD-R burned with Toast in Mac
> > +PC (UDF) format, then they have no business handling any level of
> > professional audio.
> >------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
>
> It depends on how the DVD is burned, and the nature of the file formats.  
> There's a lot of "if's" involved, and the playability is not necessarily the
> fault or responsibility of the post house.
>
> Fostex DV-40 and DV-824 machines (which we use in 12 different dailies rooms
> at my company in Hollywood) can't locate audio files buried more than two
> directories deep on a disk.  We generally advise clients to put the dailies
> files in the root directory whenever possible, and to never put conflicting
> timecoded files in the same directory -- that is, two days' worth of material
> in one directory.
>
> Also, the files have to be normal BWF with imbedded timecode.  It's a good
> idea to provide a written sound report so we know what sampling frequency,
> bit rate, and timecode format was used, along with scene & take numbers, wild
> track info, and so on.  23.97 audio timecode is still an issue, but we can
> handle it to a point and have workarounds to get by.  (This is currently a
> problem with Evertz Tracker, but we're hoping it will be solved in the next
> couple of months.)
>
> We currently handle projects for every major studio in LA, along with dozens
> of TV series.  The only time I can recall we've ever had any problems are
> micro-budgeted features and shorts where the clients didn't ask the right
> questions prior to submitting the material for transfer.  Some of those
> disasters wound up costing the clients a great deal of time and money, but
> the same thing would've happened at any post house in LA.  (I should know:  
> I've worked for at least ten different companies in 30 years.)
>
> --MFW

Thanks a lot, Marc. This is helpful information.

Paul
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> If post/telecine/editorial can't read a DVD-R burned with Toast in Mac
> +PC (UDF) format, then they have no business handling any level of
> professional audio.


Why would any professional Toast user pick the Mac+PC setting for
cross-platform files like .bwfs? That's what ISO9660 does... without
dropping a lot of extraneous stuff on the disc.








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