Remote Audio Juicer and PD2

In <BBC584B0.C713%midoil@comcast.net> Karl Lohninger wrote:
> Just wondering why you want to use the Juicer? Why not plug into the
> battery as it is?
>
> Rg, Karl
>
>
> On 10/29/03 2:01 PM, in article BBC659BF.A8F1%alachong@singnet.com.sg,
> "Alan Chong" <alachong DeleteThis @singnet.com.sg> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Just wondering how good is the Juicer 15V 50W to be use on a PD2. My
>> cart is running on a 30AH lead acid. My second dat is a used PD2
>> which will arrive soon, its a version 2.12 anything to advice on the
>> PD2 before I open the box? Just wanna be prepared to face the beast :)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Alan Chong
>>
Jeff Wexler comments:
I remember with my PD-2 that th power supply was very sensitive to any
over voltage or undervoltage. I also remember reading that even the
current PD-4 model quits if the external DC drops to, I believe, 11
volts? I think people have used The Juicer to reliably supply DC to the
Fostex while connecte to a battery which will discharge but remain
useful for devices with a wider operating range.

JW
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I don't believe a Fostex PD-2 can handle 15 volts. Before I sold mine, I
couldn't use newer lithium ion NP batteries because they came hot off the
charger at well over 15volts. I ran my PD-2 for years on a cart powered by a gel
cell without any sort of power regulation and never a low voltage problem. I'd
definitely steer clear of feeding it 15 volts especially since you will have
great difficulty getting it serviced if it causes a problem. Doesn't Trew sell a
12 volt juicer?


"Alan Chong" <alachong RemoveThis @singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> Just wondering how good is the Juicer 15V 50W to be use on a PD2. My cart is
> running on a 30AH lead acid. My second dat is a used PD2 which will arrive
> soon, its a version 2.12 anything to advice on the PD2 before I open the
> box? Just wanna be prepared to face the beast :)
>
> Thanks
>
> Alan Chong
>
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I do run my PD2 with NP1 lithium ion batteries on run/gun and driving car
shots. So, yes, they can take it, but I suppose not all of them. Looks like
it depends on the condition (age) of the internal DC-DC converter.
Fact is though, 12V lead batts works perfectly fine and a 'Juicer' seems a
bit unnecessary to me.

Rg, Karl

On 10/29/03 6:26 PM, in article eZednR8Y8rdC6z2iRVn-iQ.TakeThisOut@comcast.com, "Charles
Tomaras" <tomarasX.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't believe a Fostex PD-2 can handle 15 volts. Before I sold mine, I
> couldn't use newer lithium ion NP batteries because they came hot off the
> charger at well over 15volts. I ran my PD-2 for years on a cart powered by a
> gel
> cell without any sort of power regulation and never a low voltage problem. I'd
> definitely steer clear of feeding it 15 volts especially since you will have
> great difficulty getting it serviced if it causes a problem. Doesn't Trew sell
> a
> 12 volt juicer?
>
>
> "Alan Chong" <alachong.TakeThisOut@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
> news:BBC659BF.A8F1%alachong@singnet.com.sg...
>> Hi
>>
>> Just wondering how good is the Juicer 15V 50W to be use on a PD2. My cart is
>> running on a 30AH lead acid. My second dat is a used PD2 which will arrive
>> soon, its a version 2.12 anything to advice on the PD2 before I open the
>> box? Just wanna be prepared to face the beast :)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Alan Chong
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Remote Audio Juicer and PD2 

"Karl Lohninger" <midoil.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I do run my PD2 with NP1 lithium ion batteries on run/gun and driving car
> shots. So, yes, they can take it, but I suppose not all of them. Looks like
> it depends on the condition (age) of the internal DC-DC converter.
> Fact is though, 12V lead batts works perfectly fine and a 'Juicer' seems a
> bit unnecessary to me.
>
> Rg, Karl

Mine ran fine with the older IDX L-40 Lithium Ions, but when I bought the newer
L-50's which come off the charger at a much higher voltage it wouldn't take it.
 >> Stay informed about: Remote Audio Juicer and PD2 

in article BBC584B0.C713%midoil@comcast.net, Karl Lohninger at
midoil.TakeThisOut@comcast.net wrote on 10/30/03 6:52 AM:

> Just wondering why you want to use the Juicer? Why not plug into the battery
> as it is?
>
> Rg, Karl
>
>
> On 10/29/03 2:01 PM, in article BBC659BF.A8F1%alachong@singnet.com.sg, "Alan
> Chong" <alachong.TakeThisOut@singnet.com.sg> wrote:
>

I'm a total stranger to the PD2, am afraid that the drop in voltage may
cause the PD2 to behave in a different manner.

Alan
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Generally your PD2 should behave just like your PD4 or HHB. Generally -
assuming the machine is in good working condition and there's nothing wrong
with it. If you feed it upwards of 12 volts it'll work just fine. I don't
know the exact cutoff point of the PD2 - mine starts quitting to work when
the battery (32AH lead acid) falls lower than 11.7 or so volts - but my
mixer doesn't like that either. I'm having a similar back-up battery
standing by for that case, but very very rarely need to use it
..
BTW DC-DC converter parts can be found with all kinds of values pretty
cheaply on ebay in case you want to tinker with this kind of stuff. I've
built a 12V to 15V (60watts!) just for the fun of it investing like $17.00
and 30 minutes of time.....so if I wanted I could squeeze some more juice
out of the battery but I have this funny feeling that my battery might not
like it really....so I don't use it.

Good luck, Karl Lohninger
Los Angeles


On 10/29/03 3:08 PM, in article BBC66957.A8FB%alachong@singnet.com.sg, "Alan
Chong" <alachong.TakeThisOut@singnet.com.sg> wrote:

> in article BBC584B0.C713%midoil@comcast.net, Karl Lohninger at
> midoil.TakeThisOut@comcast.net wrote on 10/30/03 6:52 AM:
>
>> Just wondering why you want to use the Juicer? Why not plug into the battery
>> as it is?
>>
>> Rg, Karl
>>
>>
>> On 10/29/03 2:01 PM, in article BBC659BF.A8F1%alachong@singnet.com.sg, "Alan
>> Chong" <alachong.TakeThisOut@singnet.com.sg> wrote:
>>
>
> I'm a total stranger to the PD2, am afraid that the drop in voltage may
> cause the PD2 to behave in a different manner.
>
> Alan
>
 >> Stay informed about: Remote Audio Juicer and PD2 

in article eZednR8Y8rdC6z2iRVn-iQ.TakeThisOut@comcast.com, Charles Tomaras at
tomarasX.TakeThisOut@comcast.net wrote on 10/30/03 10:26 AM:

> I don't believe a Fostex PD-2 can handle 15 volts. Before I sold mine, I
> couldn't use newer lithium ion NP batteries because they came hot off the
> charger at well over 15volts. I ran my PD-2 for years on a cart powered by a
> gel
> cell without any sort of power regulation and never a low voltage problem. I'd
> definitely steer clear of feeding it 15 volts especially since you will have
> great difficulty getting it serviced if it causes a problem. Doesn't Trew sell
> a
> 12 volt juicer?
>
>
> "Alan Chong" <alachong.TakeThisOut@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
> news:BBC659BF.A8F1%alachong@singnet.com.sg...
>> Hi
>>
>> Just wondering how good is the Juicer 15V 50W to be use on a PD2. My cart is
>> running on a 30AH lead acid. My second dat is a used PD2 which will arrive
>> soon, its a version 2.12 anything to advice on the PD2 before I open the
>> box? Just wanna be prepared to face the beast :)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Alan Chong
>>
>
>
Thanks fellow

That¹s exactly my main worries, 12V/25W or 15V/50W juicer, I think I better
be on the safe side that is sticking to the 12V/25W,I used to power my whole
cart with a HHB Portadat without any DC-DC or Juicer, just some surge
protection circuit and they all work out fine. Now that my HHB is back to
his motherland and my upcoming feature need to be done all on the PD2 and I
believe this is the last time I record any long form on a DAT so I dun wanna
be screw by the DAT machine. So before I get my hands on the 744T or a FR2-2
I just wanna make sure everything go smoothly.

Alan Chong
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in article ApOdnTzsLu_-Aj2iRVn-sg RemoveThis @comcast.com, Charles Tomaras at
tomarasX RemoveThis @comcast.net wrote on 10/30/03 1:19 PM:

>
> "Karl Lohninger" <midoil RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:BBC5BCC0.C749%midoil@comcast.net...
>> I do run my PD2 with NP1 lithium ion batteries on run/gun and driving car
>> shots. So, yes, they can take it, but I suppose not all of them. Looks like
>> it depends on the condition (age) of the internal DC-DC converter.
>> Fact is though, 12V lead batts works perfectly fine and a 'Juicer' seems a
>> bit unnecessary to me.
>>
>> Rg, Karl
>
> Mine ran fine with the older IDX L-40 Lithium Ions, but when I bought the
> newer
> L-50's which come off the charger at a much higher voltage it wouldn't take
> it.
>
>
Thanks fellow

My PD2 arrive today and works well, try my IDX-L50 fresh off the charger and
it works too. As usual the preset TC will be gone when u switch off the
power and remove the battery but its ok for I'm on REC RUN most of the time
or rather all the time. As for the juicer I still prefer to get one
(15V/25W).

Thanks a lot,

Alan Chong
 >> Stay informed about: Remote Audio Juicer and PD2 

"Alan Chong" <alachong.TakeThisOut@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:BBC8790A.A9E1%alachong@singnet.com.sg...
> in article ApOdnTzsLu_-Aj2iRVn-sg.TakeThisOut@comcast.com, Charles Tomaras at
> tomarasX.TakeThisOut@comcast.net wrote on 10/30/03 1:19 PM:
>
> >
> > "Karl Lohninger" <midoil.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:BBC5BCC0.C749%midoil@comcast.net...
> >> I do run my PD2 with NP1 lithium ion batteries on run/gun and driving car
> >> shots. So, yes, they can take it, but I suppose not all of them. Looks like
> >> it depends on the condition (age) of the internal DC-DC converter.
> >> Fact is though, 12V lead batts works perfectly fine and a 'Juicer' seems a
> >> bit unnecessary to me.
> >>
> >> Rg, Karl
> >
> > Mine ran fine with the older IDX L-40 Lithium Ions, but when I bought the
> > newer
> > L-50's which come off the charger at a much higher voltage it wouldn't take
> > it.
> >
> >
> Thanks fellow
>
> My PD2 arrive today and works well, try my IDX-L50 fresh off the charger and
> it works too. As usual the preset TC will be gone when u switch off the
> power and remove the battery but its ok for I'm on REC RUN most of the time
> or rather all the time. As for the juicer I still prefer to get one
> (15V/25W).

Glad it works well for you. You are mistaken about the Preset TC. The PD-2 has
an internal battery that holds the TC very well unlike the PD-4 which requires
two AA batts and the flip of a switch. If your PD-2 isn't holding it's code
through battery changes then the internal battery has either gone beyond its
useful life cycle, or the machine has been without power for a number of months
in which case you should just power the machine for a good period of time like
12 to 24 hours to allow it to recharge the internal TC battery.
 >> Stay informed about: Remote Audio Juicer and PD2 

in article Pbidnbz9OcrmBT-iRVn-vA.DeleteThis@comcast.com, Charles Tomaras at
tomarasX.DeleteThis@comcast.net wrote on 11/1/03 1:14 AM:

>
> "Alan Chong" <alachong.DeleteThis@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
> news:BBC8790A.A9E1%alachong@singnet.com.sg...
>> in article ApOdnTzsLu_-Aj2iRVn-sg.DeleteThis@comcast.com, Charles Tomaras at
>> tomarasX.DeleteThis@comcast.net wrote on 10/30/03 1:19 PM:
>>
>>>
>>> "Karl Lohninger" <midoil.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:BBC5BCC0.C749%midoil@comcast.net...
>>>> I do run my PD2 with NP1 lithium ion batteries on run/gun and driving car
>>>> shots. So, yes, they can take it, but I suppose not all of them. Looks like
>>>> it depends on the condition (age) of the internal DC-DC converter.
>>>> Fact is though, 12V lead batts works perfectly fine and a 'Juicer' seems a
>>>> bit unnecessary to me.
>>>>
>>>> Rg, Karl
>>>
>>> Mine ran fine with the older IDX L-40 Lithium Ions, but when I bought the
>>> newer
>>> L-50's which come off the charger at a much higher voltage it wouldn't take
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks fellow
>>
>> My PD2 arrive today and works well, try my IDX-L50 fresh off the charger and
>> it works too. As usual the preset TC will be gone when u switch off the
>> power and remove the battery but its ok for I'm on REC RUN most of the time
>> or rather all the time. As for the juicer I still prefer to get one
>> (15V/25W).
>
> Glad it works well for you. You are mistaken about the Preset TC. The PD-2 has
> an internal battery that holds the TC very well unlike the PD-4 which requires
> two AA batts and the flip of a switch. If your PD-2 isn't holding it's code
> through battery changes then the internal battery has either gone beyond its
> useful life cycle, or the machine has been without power for a number of
> months
> in which case you should just power the machine for a good period of time like
> 12 to 24 hours to allow it to recharge the internal TC battery.
>
>
Thanks Charles

I will try to power it up. Is the internal battery replaceable? And what
type is it?

Alan
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>
> I will try to power it up. Is the internal battery replaceable? And what
> type is it?
>
> Alan

The internal battery in the PD2 is a Panasonic Lithium Ion rechargable. It
has welded-on solder tabs and is soldered to the bottom main circuit board.
(i.e. Not easy to replace) You can order a replacement from Digi-Key, (you
will have to get the number off the battery I can't remember it), But
removing the old one and re-soldering the new one is a dangerous option on a
machine where replacement circuit boards are very hard to obtain. Try
leaving it plugged in to the AC supply and turned on for a day and see if
the internal battery will hold a charge. If not, you will see the message
RTC STOPPED on the LCD when you try to boot the machine. I have asked FOSTEX
about replacing this battery and they say they don't have any.

---Courtney Goodin
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I have asked FOSTEX
> about replacing this battery and they say they don't have any.
>
> ---Courtney Goodin
>
>

Why I will NEVER buy their products!!!! Support! Support! Support!
what don't they get about that concept? It really pis##s me off.
Obsolescence doesn't come from the product wearing out it comes from not
being able to buy parts to fix them.
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"Ray Collins" <rcol RemoveThis @intergate.bc.ca*remove> wrote in message
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> I have asked FOSTEX
> > about replacing this battery and they say they don't have any.
> >
> > ---Courtney Goodin
> >
> >
>
> Why I will NEVER buy their products!!!! Support! Support! Support!
> what don't they get about that concept? It really pis##s me off.
> Obsolescence doesn't come from the product wearing out it comes from not
> being able to buy parts to fix them.

Fostex is no longer supporting the PD-2 at all. If you have a good relationship
with the service department you may be able to get a tune up, but as for any
replacement parts they are no longer accepting PD-2 repairs. I'm not sure how
many PD-2's were actually sold, but it couldn't of been a very big number to
begin with. They supported the machine for over a decade and I can understand
their inability to continue support indefinitely.
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