Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test?

I use omnis for my surround setup. I have 2 matched pairs of DPA4006
and 4051 that I use in a Quad setup. They are based on the same
capsules and sound more or less identical.

I´ve conmpared various 5.0, LCRS and Quad recording on a feature
mixing stage and found the quad setups most satisfying. Sometimes it´s
good to have a center but the mono-surround setup sound more narrow
than the stereo-surround setups.

I wouldn´t put too much energy and religion in wether schoeps or
neumann are better for a surround ambience rig. The most important
thing is to get the same mics for each channel to avoid different
colouration in each channel.

Another criteria is self-noise when you record quiet stuff.

I´ve a big fan of omni-mics. They have an avazing open sound and a
great width in both stereo and surround setups.

Frank.


Klaus Kellermann wrote:
> Hi!
> Would like to go for Surround and since my main microphone is a KMR 81i, I
> was wondering if I shouldn't switch over to Schoeps as long as it still
> makes sens. The nice thing about Neumann are the KM 184 for the rear
> channels because they are a lot cheaper then two 64s. Since I do almost only
> documentary work, there would also be the option of getting an extra KMR 82i
> for the price difference. I will try them both out, but funny enough you
> don't find them (Schoeps) that often arround here (Austria). We are mostly a
> Sennheiser/Neumann country when it comes down to location sound. I did work
> with Schoeps when I was recording classical singers once, but that's longer
> time ago.
> So any feedback would be cool!
> Thank you,
> Klaus
 >> Stay informed about: Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test? 

I used an Ambient A-Ray to record B/G´s to a 744. It´s pretty
portable and needs only one single mic stant to support everything. I
speciffically avoid MS technique for this kind of recordings because
I´ve found MS always to narrow and if you lower the M-signal too mich
you get serious phase problems.

Of course I would never use this to shoot production sound on a
documentary. It´s strictly for B/G´s and all re-recording mixers that
I´ve demoed the track were pretty amazed.

frank.


Klaus Kellermann wrote:
> Well for music I also use DPA's or even Earthworks if the music is not to
> quiet. I love omnis in controlled enviroment. My rig for docu work would be
> my KMR 81i and a KM 120 as MS for the Front and two KM 184s for the back.
> Speed is always a major topic, same as flexibility and with surround sound
> it is a nightmare. I still want to be able to move with my gear and with
> this setup I can use a 4 track recorder.
 >> Stay informed about: Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test? 

Oh and by the way:

You can´t get any smaller and better than the DPA compact mic series
(4051 for example) when it comes to small high quality omnis. The
neumans are about 5-6 times the size.

frank.


wildt®ax wrote:
> I used an Ambient A-Ray to record B/G´s to a 744. It´s pretty
> portable and needs only one single mic stant to support everything. I
> speciffically avoid MS technique for this kind of recordings because
> I´ve found MS always to narrow and if you lower the M-signal too mich
> you get serious phase problems.
>
> Of course I would never use this to shoot production sound on a
> documentary. It´s strictly for B/G´s and all re-recording mixers that
> I´ve demoed the track were pretty amazed.
>
> frank.
>
>
> Klaus Kellermann wrote:
> > Well for music I also use DPA's or even Earthworks if the music is not to
> > quiet. I love omnis in controlled enviroment. My rig for docu work would be
> > my KMR 81i and a KM 120 as MS for the Front and two KM 184s for the back.
> > Speed is always a major topic, same as flexibility and with surround sound
> > it is a nightmare. I still want to be able to move with my gear and with
> > this setup I can use a 4 track recorder.
 >> Stay informed about: Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test? 

I´m using ball gangs from rycote. Omnis are not very sentitive to
wind.
And extended ball-gangs for the 4051.

frank.

Klaus Kellermann wrote:
> What kind of Windprotection are you useing for your 4006s?
 >> Stay informed about: Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test? 

oops,
I ment "gag" not "gang"

frank.

wildt®ax wrote:
> I´m using ball gangs from rycote. Omnis are not very sentitive to
> wind.
> And extended ball-gangs for the 4051.
>
> frank.
>
> Klaus Kellermann wrote:
> > What kind of Windprotection are you useing for your 4006s?
 >> Stay informed about: Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test? 

Well for music I also use DPA's or even Earthworks if the music is not to
quiet. I love omnis in controlled enviroment. My rig for docu work would be
my KMR 81i and a KM 120 as MS for the Front and two KM 184s for the back.
Speed is always a major topic, same as flexibility and with surround sound
it is a nightmare. I still want to be able to move with my gear and with
this setup I can use a 4 track recorder.
 >> Stay informed about: Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test? 

Smaller in the sense of switching between dialog-interview and ambient for
the picture.
"wildt®ax" <wildtraxspam.TakeThisOut@gmx.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:1139920528.712890.290870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Oh and by the way:

You can´t get any smaller and better than the DPA compact mic series
(4051 for example) when it comes to small high quality omnis. The
neumans are about 5-6 times the size.

frank.


wildt®ax wrote:
> I used an Ambient A-Ray to record B/G´s to a 744. It´s pretty
> portable and needs only one single mic stant to support everything. I
> speciffically avoid MS technique for this kind of recordings because
> I´ve found MS always to narrow and if you lower the M-signal too mich
> you get serious phase problems.
>
> Of course I would never use this to shoot production sound on a
> documentary. It´s strictly for B/G´s and all re-recording mixers that
> I´ve demoed the track were pretty amazed.
>
> frank.
>
>
> Klaus Kellermann wrote:
> > Well for music I also use DPA's or even Earthworks if the music is not
to
> > quiet. I love omnis in controlled enviroment. My rig for docu work would
be
> > my KMR 81i and a KM 120 as MS for the Front and two KM 184s for the
back.
> > Speed is always a major topic, same as flexibility and with surround
sound
> > it is a nightmare. I still want to be able to move with my gear and with
> > this setup I can use a 4 track recorder.
 >> Stay informed about: Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test? 

What kind of Windprotection are you useing for your 4006s?
 >> Stay informed about: Did anybody ever do a serious Schoeps vs. Neumann test?